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[legoboyvdlp]

-1 for trying to lynch Day 1: Ali bin Turban, Chaplain of Death, D34THBR1NG3R, Finster Baby, iSocialism, Preston, Mazuurek, Rafay

 

I should be there, surely? I voted a few times before settling for no-lynch. 

[Lyner]

So many players this time, scums can blend in easily

 

So first of all, a few days have passed and there is nobody that started any wagon unlike yesterday, so that indicates:

1. Scums are enjoying this situation

2. Town PRs got nothing to share, or hesitant to do so for now.

 

I'll assume that TW is going to use the same day talk rule for scums.

 

I'll just divide the players:

1. The super inactive players:

Rafay(4 total post) & Mazuurek(8 post), we know that both are observing this thread actively.Both are playing the same way like last game. Nothing to see here, we need PRs to check these guys since all we have on them is vote record imo, At least Mazu actively changing votes while Rafay literally only voted me and has been staying away since. Nothing to see here.

 

1ceCream(10 post), a first timer, sound reasoning but not much information yet. Voted NoLynch. Should post more but cited a RL issue, best of luck to your grandma   

 

2. The super posters:

Lego(39 post), is distinctively different from the last game; more activity and more efforts.

 

One thing I noticed though, he roleclaimed from the start, he is Professor Filius, a vanilla townie. Why did nobody discuss this? Especially AbT since he's the most vocal to kill him yesterday.

 

Although I agree with some of AbT's reasoning of how Lego's behaviour is scummy, that roleclaim is pretty decisive. Scums don't know if there is any kind of cops and revealing both his name and his role is too risky imo. Couple that with the roleclaim being the 8th post of this thread, I'm pretty sure scums didn't plan this. The scummy behaviour can be explained by Lego being a newbie that doesn't want to be killed early like last game.

 

D34th(26 post), a first timer in long term mafia. Actually posted his thoughts and didn't just fluff around confusing people. Got a "townie" feelings on Finster, and Finster only. Have been focusing on Lego since the start of the game.

A model townie imo, except for the fact that he didn't even try to suspect anyone other than Lego in all those posts.

 

@D34THBR1NG3R, I would really like to hear your opinion on other people, and if you still feel the same for Finster. Otherwise you just looked like a scum that have already decided who he have to target and therefore try to look like a contributing townie.

 

3. Shy people, a.k.a those who stayed neutral yesterday, not really picking any sides or doing any bold move:

Samus, really played differently this time around. In the last game he goes very active, offensive and try to scumhunt. This time around though, all he's doing is staying low profile, not picking any fight and just commented on someone's reasoning once in a while. He picked the no lynch side while indirectly didn't oppose to a Rafay lynch.

At the end of day one, he did an OMGUS vote for iSoc. What? He cited that his behaviour is due to the day one. So let's shall see what @Samus has to say about yesterday's performance.

Finster Baby, same like the last game. A little flip floppy by announcing that he favored NoLynch, citing that he might vote someone if they're scummy enough(Lego at that time). And 2 days later--as if he forgot that he has chosen no lynch--he said "I still think a D1 lynch is the way to go" and promptly voted Rafay. Town mistake? Or a scum mistake by trying to blend in?

 

KevinH, classic Kevin, nothing to see here.

Sister Midnight, same like the last game, but I noticed a little passiveness this time just like Samus. Keeps changing her mind yesterday, resulting in a final vote on Rafay. Has stated from the start that she's pro lynch day one. Nothing to see here.

 

Wolfpacks, same like the last game, and once again a bit more passive. Picked no lynch from the start and stayed true to it. Started the day with a vote on Lego, what changed? Why not vote him yesterday?

iSocialism, consistent. The little reasoning near the end of day one is sound. Pro Lynch on day 1.

 

Rhizoctonia, same like the last game. I noticed that he is pro lynch on day 1, and indirectly defended Rafay 4 times literally for the sole reason that "his wagon is building too quickly". IMO even if that indicated that Rafay might be a town, isn't that also indicates that there are scums on the Rafay wagon?

 

Also cited about RL issue, I hope everything will be alright, Rhizo.

 

 

That took a lot of time and I'm tired right now, I'll post about the rests later: AbT, Preston, Canik, and CoD. Particularly because some of them tried to kill me yesterday and left a lot of stuffs to actually read about, also I want to tease Preston  

 

My "leaning townie" list: Canik, Lego, iSoc, SM. The rests need to comment on yesterday's debacle.

 

I think we should discuss Lego's role claim yesterday since I'm pretty certain it is a town tell. Anyone has a different opinion?

[Finster Baby]

Finster Baby, same like the last game. A little flip floppy by announcing that he favored NoLynch, citing that he might vote someone if they're scummy enough(Lego at that time). And 2 days later--as if he forgot that he has chosen no lynch--he said "I still think a D1 lynch is the way to go" and promptly voted Rafay. Town mistake? Or a scum mistake by trying to blend in?

Did I say that? Well shit. Caught me in an inconsistency. That said, when it was brought up that maybe Rafay should be made an example of that's when I decided that THIS day 1 needed a lynch, and Rafay was the way to go. Since he likes to do this in EVERY game, maybe we need to punt him. In the long run, an active town is better than an inactive one, unless someone gives me very credible reasons to go in another direction. Which brings me to....

Lego's role claim. IMO he is more than likely telling the truth. BUT, he's trying WAY too hard to fit in as a townie, and thereby bringing more attention to himself. Not sure that's his intent, but that's whats happening. I'm inclined to believe he may be town, but bears close watching. And, while I've pointed an FOS at him, my reasoning there was to see what we could bring out of him. Skittishness and a suicide threat. Hard to buy into him being a towine with that, but, right now, barring different power role information available, it will only be suspicion, and nothing I'm ready to vote on.

Don't forget Lyner, last game all the scum were given cover. There's nothing to say he's not got a cover role available to him again, or is the mafia godfather. That's doubtful, but we can't discredit it entirely either.

VOTE: Rafay

So that's the way I'm going. Unless Rafay can turn around and give us good reasoning why we should keep him, off with his head.

[Samus]

3. Shy people, a.k.a those who stayed neutral yesterday, not really picking any sides or doing any bold move: Samus, really played differently this time around. In the last game he goes very active, offensive and try to scumhunt. This time around though, all he's doing is staying low profile, not picking any fight and just commented on someone's reasoning once in a while. He picked the no lynch side while indirectly didn't oppose to a Rafay lynch. At the end of day one, he did an OMGUS vote for iSoc. What? He cited that his behaviour is due to the day one. So let's shall see what @Samus has to say about yesterday's performance.

 

 

to be honest you're reaching here abit, my performance has been exactly the same as last game, slightly better this game.

 

really active D1, then forgot about thread D2 (almost got lynched for this last game), nothings changed and everyone's being inactive. I have another strategy how I want to scum hunt and avoid dying so quickly which is what i'm playing

 

re: Rafay, I stand firm by my point of not lynching players simply because they're inactive, there has to be enough motive to justify a lynch for me, inactivity is not one. But i'm still in the agreement that something needs to be done about that situation as it's making the game a walk in the park for scum

[The Warrior]

"Did you really...Did it go all right? I -- I mean...that -- that was very wrong, boys -- very wrong indeed …"

 

Vote Count

 

legoboyvdlp (3): D34THBR1NG3R, Ali bin Turban, Wolfpacks

Rafay (2): KevinH, Finster Baby

Ali bin Turban (0):

Canik (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

Finster Baby (0):

1ceCream (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Samus (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Canik, Chaplain of Death, 1ceCream, iSocialism, legoboyvdlp, Lyner, Mazuurek, Preston, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Samus, Sister Midnight

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, August 19th.

[Ali bin Turban]

@Lego, you say you're analytical member, so how you explain this: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57842-tw-03-harry-potter-and-the-chamber-of-secrets-mafia-day-2/page-14#entry874954 ?

I've asked about this already but it didn't catch your attention. There wasn't much analysis there, but I'm sure you're can let us know without any problems what was your stream of thoughts when writing that part.

 

Secondly sacrifice is never good for town and it never proves anything, unless you want us to believe there has never been a town lead misslynch. Also if you'd like Death to go down before you, why don't you post a real analysis of why would he be a scum? Explanation that: "He posts less than me, is less actively scumhunting, will be a smaller loss" is not very convincing.

 

@Lyner, interesting thoughts on Lego, especially your reasoning about his role claim, which is quite sophisticated one I must say.

I'm just wondering if actually a rookie player, who might not have even know a fluff cop role exists (especially since there was no fluff cop in TW's games yet) would consider it (and that's the same guy that asks what does strongman do: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57842-tw-03-harry-potter-and-the-chamber-of-secrets-mafia-day-2/page-9#entry874288). I'm also pretty sure, given the fact it's post #8, he didn't consult it with anyone, so assuming he's a scum noone would have a chance to stop him.

But you rather say it's a townie-confirmation than a rookie error?

[legoboyvdlp]

Ah, sorry Ali.

Of course.

 

1ceCream wrote (precisely):

 

 

So who might be Lego companions? I say his possible team might consist of Preston, 1ceCream, KevinH...I'm not sure who'd be the last one (though maybe, maybe Mandarijn - he's not giving out those usual good vibes).  

 The only person who I could find mentioning Mandarijn.

 

 

 

And I considered that post of 1ceCream's interesting, and your quote looked slightly suspicious to me. Thus a FoS. But it wasn't enough for a vote.

As for the reason I didn't post what I meant to last night... GEOGRAPHY.

Anyway, I'll be back shortly. I'm busy and tired. Not in a mood to go looking through 16 pages to find D34TH's posts and explain why I think he is a better scum choice. Still a few days (RL) to go till the deadline.

[KevinH]

A hypothetical example:
 

Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.

 ...

Legoboyvdlp, you are the Basilisk, a mafia ninja godfather. You may safe claim as Professor Flitwick.

 ...

Hey Legoboyvdlp, claim that you're a vanilla townie right away, but don't make it a mass roleclaim. Nobody will ever suspect you and you'll pass all investigations.

...

I may as well role claim right away as a plain vanilla townie, Prof Flitwick. I'll do my best to survive, and not only that, find scum.

[Chaplain of death]

So many players this time, scums can blend in easily

 

So first of all, a few days have passed and there is nobody that started any wagon unlike yesterday, so that indicates:

1. Scums are enjoying this situation

2. Town PRs got nothing to share, or hesitant to do so for now.

 

I'll assume that TW is going to use the same day talk rule for scums.

 

I'll just divide the players:

1. The super inactive players:

Rafay(4 total post) & Mazuurek(8 post), we know that both are observing this thread actively.Both are playing the same way like last game. Nothing to see here, we need PRs to check these guys since all we have on them is vote record imo, At least Mazu actively changing votes while Rafay literally only voted me and has been staying away since. Nothing to see here.

 

1ceCream(10 post), a first timer, sound reasoning but not much information yet. Voted NoLynch. Should post more but cited a RL issue, best of luck to your grandma   

 

2. The super posters:

Lego(39 post), is distinctively different from the last game; more activity and more efforts.

 

One thing I noticed though, he roleclaimed from the start, he is Professor Filius, a vanilla townie. Why did nobody discuss this? Especially AbT since he's the most vocal to kill him yesterday.

 

Although I agree with some of AbT's reasoning of how Lego's behaviour is scummy, that roleclaim is pretty decisive. Scums don't know if there is any kind of cops and revealing both his name and his role is too risky imo. Couple that with the roleclaim being the 8th post of this thread, I'm pretty sure scums didn't plan this. The scummy behaviour can be explained by Lego being a newbie that doesn't want to be killed early like last game.

 

D34th(26 post), a first timer in long term mafia. Actually posted his thoughts and didn't just fluff around confusing people. Got a "townie" feelings on Finster, and Finster only. Have been focusing on Lego since the start of the game.

A model townie imo, except for the fact that he didn't even try to suspect anyone other than Lego in all those posts.

 

@D34THBR1NG3R, I would really like to hear your opinion on other people, and if you still feel the same for Finster. Otherwise you just looked like a scum that have already decided who he have to target and therefore try to look like a contributing townie.

 

3. Shy people, a.k.a those who stayed neutral yesterday, not really picking any sides or doing any bold move:

Samus, really played differently this time around. In the last game he goes very active, offensive and try to scumhunt. This time around though, all he's doing is staying low profile, not picking any fight and just commented on someone's reasoning once in a while. He picked the no lynch side while indirectly didn't oppose to a Rafay lynch.

At the end of day one, he did an OMGUS vote for iSoc. What? He cited that his behaviour is due to the day one. So let's shall see what @Samus has to say about yesterday's performance.

Finster Baby, same like the last game. A little flip floppy by announcing that he favored NoLynch, citing that he might vote someone if they're scummy enough(Lego at that time). And 2 days later--as if he forgot that he has chosen no lynch--he said "I still think a D1 lynch is the way to go" and promptly voted Rafay. Town mistake? Or a scum mistake by trying to blend in?

 

KevinH, classic Kevin, nothing to see here.

Sister Midnight, same like the last game, but I noticed a little passiveness this time just like Samus. Keeps changing her mind yesterday, resulting in a final vote on Rafay. Has stated from the start that she's pro lynch day one. Nothing to see here.

 

Wolfpacks, same like the last game, and once again a bit more passive. Picked no lynch from the start and stayed true to it. Started the day with a vote on Lego, what changed? Why not vote him yesterday?

iSocialism, consistent. The little reasoning near the end of day one is sound. Pro Lynch on day 1.

 

Rhizoctonia, same like the last game. I noticed that he is pro lynch on day 1, and indirectly defended Rafay 4 times literally for the sole reason that "his wagon is building too quickly". IMO even if that indicated that Rafay might be a town, isn't that also indicates that there are scums on the Rafay wagon?

 

Also cited about RL issue, I hope everything will be alright, Rhizo.

 

 

That took a lot of time and I'm tired right now, I'll post about the rests later: AbT, Preston, Canik, and CoD. Particularly because some of them tried to kill me yesterday and left a lot of stuffs to actually read about, also I want to tease Preston

 

My "leaning townie" list: Canik, Lego, iSoc, SM. The rests need to comment on yesterday's debacle.

 

I think we should discuss Lego's role claim yesterday since I'm pretty certain it is a town tell. Anyone has a different opinion?

 

 

No thoughts on me eh? but I wanna be the center of attention!

 

 

 

Vote: Legoboyvdlp

 

Trying far too hard to appear townie early. Is now using the "I'll post my thoughts later" strategy to stall conversation out since he is currently the biggest suspect.

 

My thoughts on his role claim: It wouldn't be that hard to go into the lore of HP and find a random ass character who isn't very relevant and claim Vanilla townie with that name.

Also what KevinH said. If scum are given fake claims then that easily could have just been his fake claim name.

[Sister Midnight]

I haven't really had time to do a good reading of what is going on here, today.  I will try to get to it later.  Crazy day.

[The Warrior]

" "I'm very busy with schoolwork, of course"- How can she be? ... We're on vacation!"

 

Vote Count

 

legoboyvdlp (4): D34THBR1NG3R, Ali bin Turban, Wolfpacks, Chaplain of Death

Rafay (2): KevinH, Finster Baby

Ali bin Turban (0):

Canik (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

Finster Baby (0):

1ceCream (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Samus (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Canik, 1ceCream, iSocialism, legoboyvdlp, Lyner, Mazuurek, Preston, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Samus, Sister Midnight

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, August 19th.

[legoboyvdlp]

Hah -- just noticed The Warrior's quote. Very fitting, I wish I was on vacation!

Back soon.

[Rhizoctonia]

I have been reading all the replies.  I know I am not posting much, I haven't really had a minute to do anything besides work and console my wife, but been reading at least when I can.

 

My thoughts however.  

 

I seemed to have missed Lego's RC from the start.  Lyner pointing it out makes me believe Lego's VT claim, it was a bold move to make from the start and stating his characters name someone else could of had.    I'm chalking his D1 scummish activities to just being his second game at this point, though still think he was best choice for D1 for scum vibes from posts and not seeing his RC early on(seems others missed it or didn't discuss it).   I don't think he should of did it, he should of waited until he was almost lynched and then came out with it.  We could of seen who was on it before he did so, could be scum within it.   It also doesn't help town because scum now knows he doesn't have a PR and thus doesn't have to worry about looking to kill him at night.  I think a VT shouldn't roleclaim unless really needing to, and he didn't at that point.  

 

So now I'm suspicious a bit of people on his wagon at this point D2.

 

Not a fan of Kevin's posts so far today.  He doesn't go with Lynching D1, even a lurker, then starts out D2 putting a vote on Rafay the lurker.  Doesn't make sense you have a problem voting a person D1 even if he's not actively posting and lurking, but have no problem D2 voting out the gate for the same reason. We at this point know nothing more on D2 then we did D1, especially when you casted your vote.  Then you start giving town points to people that voted no lynch. I have an issue with this, because scum can just as easily hide in no lynch for this very reason.  Case in point, King Hitler did so last game on D1 and was scum...so there's just as much chance the people you gave +1 town points to are scum as they're town.  I don't know how voting to kill off someone D1 is a scummish behavior, yet you voting off the gate on D2 with the same amount of information and using the same reasoning as others did for voting Rafay on D1 is some how not scummish going off your thinking.

 

 

Maz -  Still not posting anything relevant.  His last was good morning.  Looks like more an effort to get post counts up and not look inactive.  Yet was one of the first to post D2

 

Rafay - Same crap.  Quick to post D2, hasn't said anything since. 

 

 

Rhizoctonia, same like the last game. I noticed that he is pro lynch on day 1, and indirectly defended Rafay 4 times literally for the sole reason that "his wagon is building too quickly". IMO even if that indicated that Rafay might be a town, isn't that also indicates that there are scums on the Rafay wagon?

 

You can call it indirectly defending him, I was simply making an observation.  He was still in the running for my vote.  Your last sentence seems like a pretty obvious statement.  The whole point of me being weary of voting off Rafay is that he gained so many quick votes that some of the people likely voting him was scum jumping on that wagon.  If I felt that all the quick votes on him were all town people, I wouldn't of had as much of an issue voting him.  But my thought and the whole reason for me making the comments I did about how quick his wagon grew was that I was weary that with so many quickly jumping on him that some or at least 1 was a scum looking to jump on a wagon of a townie.  It could of been 4-5 quick townie's voting him, but I was a bit suspicious a scum could of saw a wagon forming and jumped on to help lynch a town, thus my comments.  Let alone, the votes were mostly gamestyle centered and not because people thought he was truely scum.  Doesn't make Rafay a confirmed town by any stretch...it just makes me a little less suspicious at the moment.  

 

All i can type for now.  If I missed a question directed at me I'll have to recheck to answer.   

[Canik]

Secondly sacrifice is never good for town and it never proves anything, unless you want us to believe there has never been a town lead misslynch.

Really it is good for VTs to have that mindset IMO. They shouldn't set out to get themselves kill but they should stir the pot and not be too worried about being mislynched. If he is scum then I think he's playing off being a VT pretty well.

I think we should discuss Lego's role claim yesterday since I'm pretty certain it is a town tell. Anyone has a different opinion?

It in and of itself doesn't show anything one way or another I think but with Lego's responses being appropriate of a VT in my opinion it does have me leaning a bit towards his role clam being true.

Lego others may have not liked your 'sacrifice' comment much but personally I think it was the best response you could've given. It has evened the scales back out and you know what? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now and Vote Rafay

I seemed to have missed Lego's RC from the start. Lyner pointing it out makes me believe Lego's VT claim, it was a bold move to make from the start and stating his characters name someone else could of had. I'm chalking his D1 scummish activities to just being his second game at this point, though still think he was best choice for D1 for scum vibes from posts and not seeing his RC early on(seems others missed it or didn't discuss it). I don't think he should of did it, he should of waited until he was almost lynched and then came out with it. We could of seen who was on it before he did so, could be scum within it. It also doesn't help town because scum now knows he doesn't have a PR and thus doesn't have to worry about looking to kill him at night. I think a VT shouldn't roleclaim unless really needing to, and he didn't at that point.

Yeah he definitely should not have role claimed that early, 100% right about that.

[Sister Midnight]

I have big issues with Lego's role clam, as well.  It just doesn't make sense to do what he did.  He hasn't given a satisfactory explanation although Kevin's list of possible explanations is spot on..

legoboyvdlp, on 04 Aug 2016 - 16:12, said: I may as well role claim right away as a plain vanilla townie, Prof Flitwick. I'll do my best to survive, and not only that, find scum.

Is the vibe I'd like to get from Lego, but I'm not geting it.

 

I'm also noticing that Rafay posted "morning" earlier, I am assuming so that when someone counts up posts he'll have more than one. The lurking isn't sitting well with me at all.

 

 Lego and Rafay are at the top of my potential lynch list.  But as everyone who saw last game already knows, i change my mind a lot.  For now

 

VOTE: LEGO.

[KevinH]

The difference between D1 and D2 is very significant.  Any one of the votes on Rafay or Lego could be from a cop that knows they are guilty.  The defenses of one or the other could be from a cop that knows they are innocent.

 

Or maybe the cop knows somebody else is innocent.  Having him vote on another "random" player gives us better odds of hitting scum than we would otherwise know.

 

We cannot play the whole game going with no-lynch and D2 is the time to start trying to get lucky.  My vote on Rafay is strictly on inactivity and an "encouragement" to get active.  I'll change it if the situation changes, but it's the best choice from my perspective right now.

[Preston]

Not a lot of time to post this morning, but the posts since my last have been interesting.

KevinH's standard analysis is exactly what I expected from him - statistics based on who voted what at the END of D1, and throwing in some post count weight in there... in other words, devoid of context or actual attention to what people have posted. So I was utterly surprised when Kevin posted his 'hypothetical example' about Lego's roleclaim - a departure from his usual 'safe' style. What Kevin posted sums up a scenario why Lego's roleclaim would be suspicious, and reminds everyone that TW gives the scum names they can safely claim (or at least he did last game) so simply posting your flavor name is no defense.

So Kevin did not really provide new information in that post, more a reminder and a repetition of what people are already saying - and moreover it is Kevin offering something in support of the Lego wagon, while his vote remains on Rafay. Even with the word 'Hypothetical' to show that it is conjecture, it is still conjecture that would support Lynching Lego. This strikes me as very similar to what he did on D1, voting No-Lynch but throwing out a post about Rafay having only 1 post all game to urge that wagon onward. And note that since Kevin's post, two more people have voted Lego talking about Lego's claim as a rationale for it - so what he's doing is effective.

This reinforces my suspicion of KevinH, as it is the second time he has pushed support for a wagon without voting for it himself. Given that Kevin seems to otherwise be mostly lurking and offering nothing new, I'm going to put my vote where my suspicions are:

Vote: KevinH

So what about Lego?

My suspicion of Kevin doesn't change that what Lego has posted feels like he was trying very hard to prove his towniness early on D1, and has become defensive and more desperate on D2 now that a wagon is on him. I want to comment on the way people are talking about his roleclaim specifically:

One thing I noticed though, he roleclaimed from the start, he is Professor Filius, a vanilla townie. Why did nobody discuss this? Especially AbT since he's the most vocal to kill him yesterday.
 
Although I agree with some of AbT's reasoning of how Lego's behaviour is scummy, that roleclaim is pretty decisive. Scums don't know if there is any kind of cops and revealing both his name and his role is too risky imo. Couple that with the roleclaim being the 8th post of this thread, I'm pretty sure scums didn't plan this. The scummy behaviour can be explained by Lego being a newbie that doesn't want to be killed early like last game.

(snip)
 
I think we should discuss Lego's role claim yesterday since I'm pretty certain it is a town tell. Anyone has a different opinion?

There is nothing decisive or town tell about Lego's claim. Revealing his name carries no risk if scum were given safe claim names. The only bit of merit is the idea that Lego might pull a cop's attention to verify his claim - however this could also be countered depending on if Lego is a Godfather or other role that would investigate as a vanilla townie. It's possible Lego is indeed just a newbie that doesnt want to be killed early again, but I do not call his roleclaim definitive by any means.

I seemed to have missed Lego's RC from the start.  Lyner pointing it out makes me believe Lego's VT claim, it was a bold move to make from the start and stating his characters name someone else could of had.    I'm chalking his D1 scummish activities to just being his second game at this point, though still think he was best choice for D1 for scum vibes from posts and not seeing his RC early on(seems others missed it or didn't discuss it).   I don't think he should of did it, he should of waited until he was almost lynched and then came out with it.  We could of seen who was on it before he did so, could be scum within it.   It also doesn't help town because scum now knows he doesn't have a PR and thus doesn't have to worry about looking to kill him at night.  I think a VT shouldn't roleclaim unless really needing to, and he didn't at that point.  
 
So now I'm suspicious a bit of people on his wagon at this point D2.
 
Not a fan of Kevin's posts so far today.  He doesn't go with Lynching D1, even a lurker, then starts out D2 putting a vote on Rafay the lurker.  Doesn't make sense you have a problem voting a person D1 even if he's not actively posting and lurking, but have no problem D2 voting out the gate for the same reason. We at this point know nothing more on D2 then we did D1, especially when you casted your vote.  Then you start giving town points to people that voted no lynch. I have an issue with this, because scum can just as easily hide in no lynch for this very reason.  Case in point, King Hitler did so last game on D1 and was scum...so there's just as much chance the people you gave +1 town points to are scum as they're town.  I don't know how voting to kill off someone D1 is a scummish behavior, yet you voting off the gate on D2 with the same amount of information and using the same reasoning as others did for voting Rafay on D1 is some how not scummish going off your thinking.

@Rhizo: Per above, Lego's claim is not as conclusive as Lyner presented it. However I agree about Kevin and am not a fan of his posts either.

 

Lego's role claim. IMO he is more than likely telling the truth. BUT, he's trying WAY too hard to fit in as a townie, and thereby bringing more attention to himself. Not sure that's his intent, but that's whats happening. I'm inclined to believe he may be town, but bears close watching. And, while I've pointed an FOS at him, my reasoning there was to see what we could bring out of him. Skittishness and a suicide threat. Hard to buy into him being a towine with that, but, right now, barring different power role information available, it will only be suspicion, and nothing I'm ready to vote on.

Don't forget Lyner, last game all the scum were given cover. There's nothing to say he's not got a cover role available to him again, or is the mafia godfather. That's doubtful, but we can't discredit it entirely either.

Finster is on the fence here, but seems to be leaning towards the same tryhard townie scenario as Lyner for Lego's actions. If Lego really is town, he has not done himself any favors - especially with his recent posting style and offer to be a sacrifice.

My thoughts on his role claim: It wouldn't be that hard to go into the lore of HP and find a random ass character who isn't very relevant and claim Vanilla townie with that name.

Also what KevinH said. If scum are given fake claims then that easily could have just been his fake claim name.

This much is accurate and worth emphasizing - Lego's claim in itself is supremely easy to fake. Though I will note that CoD cites KevinH's scenario here as part of his vote rationale, showing Kevin's influence at work.


Lego has built up enough strong opinions about him that at this point we almost NEED to know what he really is to start making sense of how others have been pushing for him. However when I see tactics like what Kevin is employing, it makes me shift more towards Lego being town (ironically that means agreeing with Lyner) - which makes me less willing to vote for him. Hell of a decision to make.

-Preston
Addendum: Apparently Kevin posted while I was composing my own, and seems primarily a response to Rhizo's critique. None of what Kevin says is incorrect, but it is also just a description of pure possibility for what could be behind peoples' votes.

[D34THBR1NG3R]

D34th(26 post), a first timer in long term mafia. Actually posted his thoughts and didn't just fluff around confusing people. Got a "townie" feelings on Finster, and Finster only. Have been focusing on Lego since the start of the game. A model townie imo, except for the fact that he didn't even try to suspect anyone other than Lego in all those posts.   @D34THBR1NG3R, I would really like to hear your opinion on other people, and if you still feel the same for Finster. Otherwise you just looked like a scum that have already decided who he have to target and therefore try to look like a contributing townie.

 

I didn't try to suspect anyone else because I felt if we did this systematically (I will explain later in the post) then it would be much easier to go ahead with and get the scum in such a better way.

As for my opinion in other people, since I BELIEVE Lego is scum, I would have to think that Ali bin Turban, Wolfpacks, Chaplain of Death, and Sister Midnight are innocent solely because I don't think scum will vote for one of their own. 

(BTW never analysed like this so it might not be the best)

and also since I don't know everyone's play style please don't be offended if I call you out based on your regular playstyle

 

 

KevinH: seems pretty helpful and scum searching although I haven't really seen much in the past couple of days because of RL stuff, yes I've read through whenever possible but it's hard to get a full grasp of things

 

Finster Baby: I realized people got really annoyed and suspicious when I said "confirmed town" but then I said it was just a vibe, even when I said that people still got annoyed. As I said above, unless there is some play for Finster to get annoyed at Lego so he (Finster) looks less suspicious, Finster is actually annoyd by the accusations being thrown at him consttantly by Lego based on what I said ONCE. Any other proof tat me and Finster are in cahoots will gladly be appreciated

 

Rafay: I said I hope people don't get offended for calling them out on their playstyle but his playstyle just annoys the hell out of me, it helps no one, not even scum unless he talks in scum chat and it's a childish move IMO so no one can ever know what you're thinking and call you it on it based on how you acted in previous games

 

Lyner: He seems very helpful and analytic although I guess that's how he won last game so I don't really know what to say about him :/

 

Mazuurek: Not really much to say considering he hasn't said very much at all, or at least not much that's impotant

 

Those are really all the people I have something to say about

 

*Disclaimer*NOWHERE am I saying or confirming anyone is town in this post, so please do not take this out of context as per what I have said before*Disclaimer*

 

Now, what I meant by my "system"

1.) find someone you're pretty much positive that is scum/mafia and make sure they get lynched (if they aren't mafia and you screwed up this next step won't work)

2.) find out who stood up for him/her and who tried to make the accuser look suspicious and question them thoroughly

3.) If they answer the questions suspiciously then lynch them

4.) wash, rise, and repeat until all are dead

[legoboyvdlp]

I also BELIEVE you are scum. The thing is to find out the real one

 

(Moody Barty Crouch Jr sort-of quote)

[The Warrior]

"...Ron's old Shooting Star was often outstripped by passing butterflies."

 

Vote Count

 

legoboyvdlp (5): D34THBR1NG3R, Ali bin Turban, Wolfpacks, Chaplain of Death, Sister Midnight

Rafay (3): KevinH, Finster Baby, Canik

KevinH (1): Preston

Ali bin Turban (0):

Canik (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

Finster Baby (0):

1ceCream (0):

iSocialism (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Samus (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: 1ceCream, iSocialism, legoboyvdlp, Lyner, Mazuurek, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Samus

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, August 19th.