Iron Helix

BTW, if Blask does come up town, I'd suggest just put Yates on ignore and lynch him. Don't listen to any more gambit claims or such nonsense.

My reason to suspect you all depends on if Blask is the town doctor. If he's scum, then my suspicions are most likely misplaced. My suspicions of your are this: -The strange knowledge claims of your predecessor -2 neighborizing roles -Your alliance with Yates -The circumstances of not neighborizing someone on the second night that denied us proof that one side was lying.

Well Yates is toast if you're the town doctor. Daniel is no longer cleared of anything and EM is pretty much town. ABigDeer is high on the suspect list as well.

w/e Vote: Blaskowicz

For me to lynch him, I'd have to believe your claim that you're BP. You've lied way too much for me to believe that.

It's more of a swingy role than an OP role like a bulletproof town tracker. EM, do you have any more night actions, or are you able to replicate the actions you have already performed?

Also EM didn't know Simternity didn't neighborize someone. Him and Blask doing all this would have backfired spectacularly if ABigDeer had neighborized.

I don't trust ABigDeer because all that was needed to solidify things was him making a claim to neighborize someone. He makes that claim and we ask that person if they got neighborized. That would have proved beyond a doubt EM is lying. That or EM would have been neighborized by ABigDeer. But no, we have this chance occurrence that denies us this certainty. It's incredibly convenient.

I've covered this like a million times. Short answer? I think he's MOST likely a role cop. That's how they'd find the tracker and SK. "Too convenient"? That's how neighbourising works - it'd be stupid that I would HAVE to neighbourise people and it would turn the whole neighbourhood into a s***storm if I were to stay alive. Sounds pretty logical to me when I saw the actions. Yates is agreeably the most active person in this topic and seems to have a lot of knowledge of people so who wouldn't want more information from (even if he is scum), and because it's different from a mason it's possible that I could be adding more scum, so if Yates is scum he can't gang up with his scum buddies, or if he is town there isn't any scum eavesdropping on our conversation. Are you asking to become a part of the neighbourhood Helix? By the way, I would just like to let some more information slip - Yates was neighbourised on night 1 I'm pretty sure? I will have to check Why on earth wouldn't the neighborizer neighborize the confirmed townie when it has that option? Because you were confirmed on D-2, because of reasons above no one was neighbourised on N-2 (please correct my if I'm wrong those events are so long ago in this thread and I can't be bothered going back). Now it will soon be N-3 and your suggestion sounds very logical so stay tuned. What? I was confirmed on day 2. Your role had the option to neighborize me on night 2. If EM was a lighting rod, you would have neighborized him. If he wasn't a lightning rod, you would have neighborized me.

You weren't an IC until Day 2, remember? We're talking about night 2, remember?

And what, you didn't suggest that he nieghborize the confirmed townie?

"Too convenient"? That's how neighbourising works - it'd be stupid that I would HAVE to neighbourise people and it would turn the whole neighbourhood into a s***storm if I were to stay alive. Sounds pretty logical to me when I saw the actions. Yates is agreeably the most active person in this topic and seems to have a lot of knowledge of people so who wouldn't want more information from (even if he is scum), and because it's different from a mason it's possible that I could be adding more scum, so if Yates is scum he can't gang up with his scum buddies, or if he is town there isn't any scum eavesdropping on our conversation. Are you asking to become a part of the neighbourhood Helix? By the way, I would just like to let some more information slip - Yates was neighbourised on night 1 I'm pretty sure? I will have to check Why on earth wouldn't the neighborizer neighborize the confirmed townie when it has that option?

If you think EM is scum, what did he do on his visit to you night 1?

WHAT?? Simternity WASN'T EVEN HERE. Fine. Lynch Blaskowicz. If he flips Town? The scum team is me and ABigDeer and Daniel if there's a 3rd scum. There you go. You just won the game. Simternity replaced Montosh last night. Presumably this means Simternity had to confirm his role and submit a night action. He posted today (Day 3).

And ABigDeer's claim that he can neighborize but (Simternity) chose not to, makes me highly suspicious. Seems way too convenient.

Also the PGO would have had to be targeted to trigger the action. With a lighting rod he isn't targeted, so his action isn't triggered. Your action couldn't have been "triggered" since EM was the default target of all actions.

Actually, duh, I just looked up PGO: "The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. " So yeah, I'm pretty sure my theory stands. My BP - in this hypothetical lightning rod scenario - WOULD prevent a kill. Something else of note, that I didn't mention yesterday before the SK was lynched, is that my BP would have blocked multiple kills. I did double check this with the mod. He redirected me towards this: Well first passive is defined as lack of action. You cannot have a passive action, it's a contradiction in terms. Also if you're making an analogy between BP and the PGO, if you were the PGO and your triggered action were transferred to EM, everyone with a night action would have died in one night (like 4 people). There's a clear distinction here. Performed actions are performed on the lightning rod. If all abilities were transferred, EM should have gotten my role confirmation ability.

ABigDeer, please tell us your character claim. And just to make sure I understand: your role was able to neighborize someone last night, but they just chose not to.

Correction: Abilities can be passive. Passive abilities. Triggered actions.

Passive action is an oxymoron. Abilities are passive. Not actions. Actions may be triggered, but those aren't passive.

A protection is only an action if it's performed (eg. jailer/doctor). Otherwise it's not an action.

Waiting for ABigDeer. So a Yates/Daniel scum team since we both claimed BP which would have ALSO protected a Town EM? Am I misreading this or are you saying you being BP would have saved EM?

What do you need from him? To know if he neighborized anyone? Pretty sure he would have mentioned it in his first post if he had. Well the question is why hasn't he done a second time. Is his role a one shot neighborizer? Does he have any other aspects to his role? We're debating lynching a neighborizer with Blask at L-1. I think these questions should be answered. A full role claim might be nice.

I still want to hear from ABigDeer before anyone hammers.

OR, I suppose, Yates actually watched EM not do anything last night and we can't say anything about Daniel.