Imran Ehsan

Yeah it looks like my initial assessment was right. Scum team + SK + Vig. The vig was probably a one-shot role as there were only 2 kills in the night. So not 2 teams of scum. Psychiatrist = SK is present. My list from day 2 suspects are still valid although TBR has turned out townie. This means my short-list is down to emu and spaztik. I am also highly suspicious of the lurkers: ovidsidios and preston who hasnt posted much. Everyone needs to post what their thoughts are today and no one should be let to stay under the radar if we have any chance of finding the scum,

You guys are apparently not familiar with the Onion.

No lynching is the worst move that can be made on a Day 2 of a mafia game. With a lynch you get lots of useful info that allows the town to win the game. Only scum will want to no lynch on day 2 bc they know who the scums are and they have no need to scum hunt. If you lynch a scum you hit the jackpot and it will confirm a few people as town (the ones who pushed for their lynch the hardest, not the ones who jumped in late). If a townie is lynched you still get a lot of info. Who was leading the charge, who were the bandwagoners..these are scum.

@mario - maybe start another thread whining about how people are being mean to you. that may help.

@mario - I am about 90% sure you are scum and I see no point responding to scums. @TBR - yeah I have 5 votes on me with another one saying he may be voting for me (Big Ego) and you want me to NOT respond to the accusations against me? First it was I am not responding to accusations and now it is why am I defending myself?!?!? The logic is mind boggling. Thanks but no thanks.

Same reason I am not kiving townie points to Kazio. He voted kevin in the RVS and then went inactive. emu's vote was when it was pretty clear EM is going to get lynched and it didnt even stay that long. it may have been just for show. that is why you are the most likely of all to be scum followed by spaztik amongst my short list of scum. I am not sure you know what dodging means. Anyway more vague accusation based on nothing and not worth responding too. I am pretty sure you are scum anyway so it is to be expected.

Welcome Preston! Here's a quick rundown: The bandwagon on me was started by TBR with the following post: This was posted towards the start of the day along with his vote. Following this, before I even got a chance to respond, or even got online, the bandwagon started with votes on me from Iso, spaztik, emu and mariomario. I was 2 votes away from lynch without even getting a chance to post. all the 4 votes on after TBR had the excuse in the lines of "great analysis TBR, he is scum". Basically nothing new but a typical bandwagon for a quick lynch. I saw that the accusations agaist me were basically 2 things: a. i was inactive on Day 1 b. my vote on Isocialsm, before i voted EM. My explanation to point a. was made in this post Mt explanation to point b was made in this post However the bandwagoners still stayed on my wagon without even trying to refute my defense. Their respose has been "clap hands on ear and say lalala to my posts, while frothing at the mouth with posts like, he has no defense, his defense is inadequate, he is scum, all his posts are scum". Note that no one tried to say why my explanations where scummy or why the posts i made does not make sense. They were pretty much ignored. od and interesting thing that happened was when Samoos or someone else (?) pointed out that mario was bandwagoning (he did the same thing on day 1, emy quickly unvoted posting "imran's defense is good" followed by a quick unvote from mario. Then when pointed out that that is backpedalling, the heroic duo of mario and emy quickly put their votes back on again. Since then it has been nothing but the kinds of posts from above, lalalallal, imran is scum from mario and emu with iSO and spaztik gone off to lurk mode. I see no point in responding to those really. Thats the situation so far. Not even close. You haven't given any analysis on who you think is scum or why they are scum, no debate on how many scum you think there are or why anyone was targeted, you haven't commented on me saying I know there are two scum teams with at least five scum remaining. You look no less scummy today then when I called you out. In my same analysis I called out mario for his actions but attribute it to him being new. Had this not been a reboot and if I wasn't sure he got a new role, he'd be at the top of my list. We are at 7 town and 5 scum and nobody is sharing any useful information. No way town wins this game. oh wait, I thought the reason I was scum was the 2 points that you posted when you voted for me. I see now that 2 more new accusations has now been added while the answers to the 2 reasons you voted for me now are conveniently ignored. OK then, 2 new accusations: c. I have not done any scum hunting or posted scum analysis d. I have not commented on the number of scums c. I have posted this in various posts scattered throughout which is more than some others have done. (i) I think Sammos and Big Ego are town. This is based on the only confirmed scum killing we have, Samoos was suspicious of kevin on Day 1, Big Ego had voted for kevin. They may be scum trying to vote for their buddy in the case kevin is revealed as scum. But that possibility is very, they had no way of knowing kevin will be killed at night and be revealed. So Samoos and kevin get townie points. My primary list of scum are the 3 bandwagoners on my wagon: spaztik (self declared lurker after putting the bandwagon vote and mario and emu who are working in tandem voting and unvoting and building wagons. At first I was leaning towards you (TBR) as townie based on the analysis (wrong deductions though) you posted on Day 2. But since then I have very strong suspicions of you being one of the scum as well. It is clear you are not scum hunting (proved by selective ignorance of my posts) and bringing up new points to paint me as scum. Like I said somewhere before, you look like a man on a mission, to lynch me whatever it takes. You are not scum hunting. About the others I have no read yet. Most havent posted much or taken a strong stance one way or the other. iSocialism i am leaning towards town, he had valid concerns as i was accusing him as scum on day 1, others are all bandwagoning with TBR leading the charge. Probable townie: samoos, big ego, and isocialism probably scum: TBR, spaztik, mario, emu (not all but I think theres at least 2 scum in this group) no reads: raugin, lyner, ovid, kazio/preston d. Wrong. I have posted my thoughts on this in this post here

Welcome Preston! Here's a quick rundown: The bandwagon on me was started by TBR with the following post: This was posted towards the start of the day along with his vote. Following this, before I even got a chance to respond, or even got online, the bandwagon started with votes on me from Iso, spaztik, emu and mariomario. I was 2 votes away from lynch without even getting a chance to post. all the 4 votes on after TBR had the excuse in the lines of "great analysis TBR, he is scum". Basically nothing new but a typical bandwagon for a quick lynch. I saw that the accusations agaist me were basically 2 things: a. i was inactive on Day 1 b. my vote on Isocialsm, before i voted EM. My explanation to point a. was made in this post Mt explanation to point b was made in this post However the bandwagoners still stayed on my wagon without even trying to refute my defense. Their respose has been "clap hands on ear and say lalala to my posts, while frothing at the mouth with posts like, he has no defense, his defense is inadequate, he is scum, all his posts are scum". Note that no one tried to say why my explanations where scummy or why the posts i made does not make sense. They were pretty much ignored. od and interesting thing that happened was when Samoos or someone else (?) pointed out that mario was bandwagoning (he did the same thing on day 1, emy quickly unvoted posting "imran's defense is good" followed by a quick unvote from mario. Then when pointed out that that is backpedalling, the heroic duo of mario and emy quickly put their votes back on again. Since then it has been nothing but the kinds of posts from above, lalalallal, imran is scum from mario and emu with iSO and spaztik gone off to lurk mode. I see no point in responding to those really. Thats the situation so far.

I know that. Was on my phone... Meanie. Mhm. Vote Imran So, first the unvote was because I had a good defense. And then the vote comes on again..because..? So either: a. You think my defense was not actually good and you think I am still scum. In that case your first post was a lie and you unvoted because I pointed out one of 3,4,5 is scum. b. You think my defense was good and I am not scum so you unvoted. But then you put it on again because you got accused of back-pedalling. In which case you actually dont think my defense was good so your second post is a lie. Which is it? You were quick to jump on my bandwagon. What changed your mind now? Imran I re-voted for you because the bandwagon I was considering joining but waiting for more info. I said your defense was good which it was untill I had the revelation that the shift was scummy and re-evaluated TBR's point. I changed my mind and changed it back I was indescive about who was scum but I now am almost certain that it is you. Which shift are you talking about specifically? Bolded and underlined for you. Can you see it now. That was your basis for voting for me. Now again what shift are you talking about? I am not gonna let you claim something and dont run off and ignore it without explaining. TBR's claims are without basis and his noobness in Mafia is showing through. Again explain the reasons why you are claiming I am in a scum team while you blatantly ignore the scummy moves of the others. FOS: TBR I was thinking he was townie trying to scum hunt. But the more I read his posts the more it looks like he is a man with a purpose of lynching a townie. I wont be surprised he is a mafia role cop of one of the scum teams. He has found out my role in the night and is now attempting a lynch. Oh, you were reffering to the one before ok. Well I was refering the shift onto mariomario as scummy. You are trying to drum up more attention onto others like mario who is Town and you know he is town in order to save your own scummy skin. You have not really defended your self even when you proclaim innocence by saying he found your role you dont even RC a power role. Also it shows off your desperation that now you have painted a target on your back to live one more day so if you are a power role you just SCREWED THE TOWN OVER. I urge everyone to vote Imran his scumminess shows. So are you saying scum or not scum? In one sentence you say i am scum, the next sentence you say i am a townie power role who SCREWED THE TOWN OVER (I read that as a raging scream with lots of frothing).

OK. Regarding iSoc, I went back and reread Day 1 posts. There were a couple of things that set off bad vibes for me.First you claimed you were a neighbor of emu, I am not sure if that was regarding the game or something else altogether. That was a strange post. And a few days later comes this: What else is a man suppose to say? I rather have someone else lynch then Big Ego.. Vote; EM First you state, people are eager to lynch who will most likely be a townie. It was as is you were covering bases, in the event a townie gets lynched you could say, "I said so". Even in a game where role alignmet s possible and day 1 lynch was almost mandatory. If you stuck to your position though, that would have been less suspicious, but just 3-4 posts later you joined the bandwagon on EM who later turned out to be townie. Also most of your posts were 1-line posts without analysis or any info, just for the sake of posting something to look active. But it was Day 1 and you cant have much analysis on random votes so that is not too much of a problem. But add them all together I found you more suspicious than the others on Day 1. Having said all that, i no longer think you are scum though. I will look closely at TBR, emu, mario and spaztik for 1 or 2 scums in that group. I think Samoos is town as well as Big Ego 9he voted for kevinh). Look back at this post when i get lynched by the noob lynch mob this day,

I know that. Was on my phone... Meanie. Mhm. Vote Imran So, first the unvote was because I had a good defense. And then the vote comes on again..because..? So either: a. You think my defense was not actually good and you think I am still scum. In that case your first post was a lie and you unvoted because I pointed out one of 3,4,5 is scum. b. You think my defense was good and I am not scum so you unvoted. But then you put it on again because you got accused of back-pedalling. In which case you actually dont think my defense was good so your second post is a lie. Which is it? You were quick to jump on my bandwagon. What changed your mind now? Imran I re-voted for you because the bandwagon I was considering joining but waiting for more info. I said your defense was good which it was untill I had the revelation that the shift was scummy and re-evaluated TBR's point. I changed my mind and changed it back I was indescive about who was scum but I now am almost certain that it is you. Which shift are you talking about specifically? Bolded and underlined for you. Can you see it now. That was your basis for voting for me. Now again what shift are you talking about? I am not gonna let you claim something and dont run off and ignore it without explaining. TBR's claims are without basis and his noobness in Mafia is showing through. Again explain the reasons why you are claiming I am in a scum team while you blatantly ignore the scummy moves of the others. FOS: TBR I was thinking he was townie trying to scum hunt. But the more I read his posts the more it looks like he is a man with a purpose of lynching a townie. I wont be surprised he is a mafia role cop of one of the scum teams. He has found out my role in the night and is now attempting a lynch.

I must say that is the scummiest voting/unvoting back pedaling and revoting I have seen in any game i have played. I know that. Was on my phone... Meanie. Mhm. Vote Imran So, first the unvote was because I had a good defense. And then the vote comes on again..because..? So either: a. You think my defense was not actually good and you think I am still scum. In that case your first post was a lie and you unvoted because I pointed out one of 3,4,5 is scum. b. You think my defense was good and I am not scum so you unvoted. But then you put it on again because you got accused of back-pedalling. In which case you actually dont think my defense was good so your second post is a lie. Which is it? You were quick to jump on my bandwagon. What changed your mind now? Imran I re-voted for you because the bandwagon I was considering joining but waiting for more info. I said your defense was good which it was untill I had the revelation that the shift was scummy and re-evaluated TBR's point. I changed my mind and changed it back I was indescive about who was scum but I now am almost certain that it is you. Which shift are you talking about specifically?

I know that. Was on my phone... Meanie. Mhm. Vote Imran So, first the unvote was because I had a good defense. And then the vote comes on again..because..? So either: a. You think my defense was not actually good and you think I am still scum. In that case your first post was a lie and you unvoted because I pointed out one of 3,4,5 is scum. b. You think my defense was good and I am not scum so you unvoted. But then you put it on again because you got accused of back-pedalling. In which case you actually dont think my defense was good so your second post is a lie. Which is it? You were quick to jump on my bandwagon. What changed your mind now?

You havent played many games with me but if you did you would know i am almost inactive in day 1 and hardly bother even reading the posts. Day 1 is pretty useless until the lynch happens because people post just fluff and completely useless stuff on hunches. Unless there is a lynch with people taking sides day 1 is boring and i dont pay any attention to it. This is how I play. as for suspicions on iSo, i will go back and look at what he posted but as i said i dont pay much attention on day 1 normally and when i read his posts something much have struck me as unusual which resulted in a vote. i didnt really push for a lynch on him as it was just a hunch but voted him to place my suspicion. I dont see how that qualifies as 85% scum and normally you have good analysis in games but this is so much way off that its almost ridiculous. However, like I said, i dont think you are scum but what is funny is seeing most of these bandwagoners put me within 2 votes to lynch before i even get a chance to post. Look closely at votes 3, 4, 5 on me and I guarantee you will find at least 1 scum there,

oh wow...thats a fast bandwagon. Hello scums! TBR you are completely wrong in your analysis. I dont think you are scum but the there are definitely scums on my bandwagon. vote: mariomario Agreed he is on one of the scum teams. He has been jumping on bandwagons since day 1 and is on my wagon again for a quick lynch..before i even get a chance to post.

3 kills. pretty interesting. At first I was thinking there are scum, a SK and a Vig. Robert's dead looks very like a SK kill. But, TBR's idea makes a lot more sense. 2 scum teams and 1 SK. The role alignment change possibility fits in nicely in that scenario too and will not ruin the balance of the game, if, the scum has ability to turn members oof 2nd scum team into their group. the townies cant be turned but scum can switch teams. That will make a very interesting game. One more thing to add. At the moment, I would say Samoos is definitely town. He was pretty vocal about suspecting EM and Kevin on Day 1. EM turned out town but Kevin was scum. This gives him some bonus townie points imo.

you what you may think he is saying something but he is actually saying something else?

Never say never I say! Unvote Vote: Electric Mango

i have forgotten what was happening in that game

OK. lets see. so its down to mango and hippo. Both are claiming townie power roles. apparently EM has someone who can confirm him as town and hippo has a powerful role that will be apparently be missed by townies if he gets lynched. Both sounding shady. However, I dont see why EM will claim he can have another player confirm him as town if he was scum. He is not likely to reveal his scum partner or the scum partner is not likely to come forward to save mango. So its a strange claim. on the other hand hippo claiming to have a very important role sounds like something scum will use. I am pretty unsure whether any of these 2 are scum..probably both townies. But since no one wants to lynch my candidate i guess i will choose amongst these 2. Unvote Vote: Lord Hippo among the 2 claims, EM's one is strange and i dont think a scum would have used that claim. But he may actually be the cult leader. His posts have been a bit fishy. but i will go with hippo for now.

so whats the current vote count?

I havent seen anything really to move my vote from the scummy iSocialism to anyone else.

As you have a new nation you have to go through the normal Application process: http://ironcentral.org/community/forum/162-applications-to-join-iron/

Vote: iSocialism His posts looks scummy to me. What else is a man suppose to say? This^ I am just quoting this to see if your name shows up.

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