Imran Ehsan

Lyners ability does seem a bit out of norm but its a little different than kevin's. Kevin's ability is more of the typical bodyguard ability. He protects someone at night..scum tries to kill his target..both scum and bodyguard dies. Lyner ability seems that if he catches a scum in middle of carrying out a kill action..he kills the scum. It seems a pretty powerful role and I havent seen it before. but there have a been quite a few out-of-norm super strong abilities in this game. EMs ability is one as well as the doc with neighborizer one. However, I do agree with one of your previous statements that there seems to be a lot of "protect" and "role block" abilities for the townies. So either one of those claims are false or we have at least 2 more scum (apart from ABT) and they have pretty strong abilities as well. However, their failure to kill in the last two nights does point to the fact that they dont have much super-kill abilities.

I am guessing yes. There are no restrictions that I could only use "townie" abilities. So I could have used ISocialisms power to go vigilante for one night.

Ok. My role claim: I am the wicked witch of the west. I dont have any night ability as I have already stated previously, but i left a portion out. I can talk to the dead people (through a QT thread) and I have the ability to "recall" one of the dead peoples' ability for use at night once in the game. I left the above portion out to avoid being night killed by scum before I had a chance to use one of abilities. I have a one-shot ability so now that I have used it, there's no harm to me claiming. Regarding the dead people: kevinH had the bodyguard ability. Anyone who targets someone that he had protected at night will die. commander shepard had the ability to target a player to inspect whether they are "party crashers" or not. That is, he had an investigative ability which identifies whether a player is "invited" or "uninvited" to the party -> he was a role cop iSocialism didnt interact in the dead topic but I am pretty sure he was the serial killer. Blaskowitz was the doc and had the protect ability. My action: I debated whether to recall the "protect" ability of Blask or recall the investigative ability. Investigative ability was more powerful so I recalled CS's power to investigate someone last night. My Target: My potential scum list was: ABD, Yates or Daniel vigrid Yates looked very scummy and it looked very likely he will get lynched today. So i decided to use my ability on one of the other scummy looking characters. I used my ability on A Big Deer. I got the result: "uninvited". ABigDeer is one of the party crashers and confirmed scum. I did not foresee Angel getting killed at night which actually makes my result less useful than could have been. But at the time I used what information I had to confirm the alighnment of a scummy character. So my vote today will be on ABD. I will hold off on hammering on him for the time being for discussions on my results if needed.

I just took a glance at it. I need to catch up on the last 3 pages before I post. I had a night action and have information that identifies a scum. I am going to post and reveal my results and role after looking through what has been posted.

*prods the mod*

Vote: Blaskowicz I really dont buy his role claim. plus if he turns up scum..we get a read on a few other ppl as well.

Well if Theo/d3mon neighborized you last night why didnt come out this day guns blazing at d3mon being scum. It is impossible for a doc role to have the neighborizer role as well. Doc will always use his protect ability at night. So if you knew d3mon is a neighborizer why didnt you call him out as false claiming on Day 2?

Love you, too. Please take a look at post 783 above, though. The links are to very concise [or at least as concise as I can make them] cases. That should clarify any perceived "rambling" or "babbling" from my posts. I know I was hard to follow during my gambits. That's why I create summaries after revealing the purpose of the gambit. If I had tracked Daniel somewhere last night after he claimed BP Townie? I wouldn't have bothered to gambit. When his claim matched up, I just decided to test you. I wasn't expecting to catch D3mon and EM but that was a nice ancillary benefit of that particular gambit. With all the shenanigans out of the way, I should be a lot easier to read from now on. Promise. Yeah I agree with your posts. EMs claims are not making sense. At least one of d3mon and EM is scum if not both. I will wait for EMs response first before voting though.

All these replacements are making my mind spin..add that to a long new years night..and the day after also cant ignore the rambling/babbling from yates which is sure to make anyone look for the nearest sanitarium without fail. anycase, I was one of those who really suspected theo/d3mon to be a scum on Day 2. In fact i only switched my vote to get a lynch as time was running out. So d3mon being scum wnt surprise me a bit. However, i find it strange why theo/d3mon will attempt to neighborize anyone knowing full well it is very very unlikely that a doc will also be a neiborizer. This will clearly unveil him as a scum who had false-claimed as a doc. It doesnt fit why he would attempt to neighborize even after claimimg to be a doc. Unvote I really dont think Yates is scum.... but cant say i will be sad to see him get lynched *sigh*

I had no night actions. In fact I dont have any active night ability. So Yates claiming that I visited him is a complete lie. Vote: Yates

Sorry for inactivity. End of year work piled up. I will need to read up on what has happened so far before posting further.

Unvote Vote: iSocialism lynch> no lynch

2 days and 17 hours before deadline Montosh is prodded We have 2 days, people. If we don't reach a consensus in the next 24 hours, just sheep Helix. Yeah thats a terrible idea since he is voting for a townie for pretty much no reason.

Interesting that Theo has no response to my vote on him. So I see no reason to move my vote to anyone else. We need to lynch today or we go into the night and probably start the next day with two less townies. Theo, CoD, Lyner, Robert and iSocialism are all on my blacklist. I am pretty sure we will have a high probability of hitting scum/Sk lynching one of the 5. So if people are still reluctant to take out Theo I will support a lynch on one of the other 4.

The mod has also not posted the role of the dead. So that makes me think we can deduce a dead persons role/ability from the character he had. Hence I think Lurch had a protective ability and would make no sense for their to be 2 roles with protective abilities. Another point against Theo that I forgot to mention in my earlier post.

Suspecting Theo based on the character name is weak. If he is scum he'd claim a more common one(Frankenstein? Mr Hyde?), because there isn't any reason not to And I believe if there is a true doctor(non-Theo) he should comes out now. Having a doctor claims confuses the SK and Mafias on which to kill on the night(for more detailed reasoning, visit Yates' post here, and for today we will surely get a scum(Theo). And too bad Imran, no doctors have come up till now Yes Imran, I'm accusing you of misleading the town here. You lurk around and put Yates on L-1 back a few pages earlier but unvoted after Yates claimed that you're super scummy. And yeah starting at that point you become active at posting bluff posts and questions. Yates role-claiming tracker didn't prove that he's likely to be townie, he can be a scum tracker, hell his veteranship in mafiascum only makes him more suspicious for me(he managed to reveal a doctor while escaping death), but I agree incase Yates actually turns out to be town it won't give town a lot of informations. Conclusion? VOTE: Imran Ehsan And yeah EM why didn't you deny that earlier? I have done exactly what I said I will do: Post 309: Yates then went on to say that he didnt actually investigate Theo and was just bluffing. He did role claim or provide any evidence whatsoever. So my vote was for him. Then I unvoted because he was at L-1 and didnt want someone to hammer him before he answered my questions. That was posted here: Since then he has come out with a full role claim and now is definitely townie as EM has confirmed that he did indeed visit Yates. My original stance has always been if Yates come out with a full claim and explains himself I will not vote for him. I have expressed my concern about Theo's responses as early as 4-5 days ago. Since then Theo has hardly posted or given any significant input whatsoever. I am not voting for him only because of the name claim although thats a part of it. My concern (as shown in my above quote) has always been he has not responded convincingly to a scum accusation against him. Going on a OMGUS right after Yates accused him and since then his only input has been coming up with a very uncommon name for his character. My vote will stand.

So posting this up just for my clarity really but lets see what we get: Chaplain of death - no claim/might be scum Electric Mango (0) - watcher role(?)/might be scum Imran Ehsan (0) - no claim/townie Iron Helix (0) - innocent child / townie iSocialism (0) - no claim/might be scum killgor (0) - no claim/ townie (he hammered on a bomb claim role -> scum/SK wont do that) Lyner (0) - no claim/might be scum MutedFaith (0) - neighborizer / probably townie Robert2424 (0) - no claim/might be scum Theophilos (1) - doctor claim / might be scum Yates (4) - tracker claim/ probably looking like townie at this point after his full role claim Dead: KevinH - no claim/ townie Commander Shepard - no claim/ townie (character indicates probability of a Bodyguard type role) So in the might be scum category we have: CoD, EM, iSocialism, Lyner. Robert and Theo Giving benefit of doubt to EM for now as he visited Yates but Yates didnt lie. However he may be a scum watcher/tracker. Others dont post much and have a very good probability of being scum. Theo -> I am not really that convinced about the Dr. Ned claim. As has been pointed out already it is a very uncommon character. maybe he did a quick google search to find out a character who is a doc but fits in with the supernatural/ villanous type character. Ending up with a very less known character. Plus if Lurch was a bodyguard there probably wouldnt be a second doctor in the game. We also need to consider, what will give us the most info from the lynch today. Lynching Yates at this point and finding out he is town really doesnt give us info because his play style has caused most townies to turn against him. Scum will easily blend in there. So we need to lynch one from my above shortlist. I will go with Theo as I feel he has been less than vocal about a scum claim against him and he happened to claim the only role that will probably prevent a counter claim against him. Based on the above Vote: Theophilos

So EM you are saying you have a neighborizer role but did not neighborize Yates? How did he know you had the neighborizer role then?

Well that puts a strange twist to things. <_<

Taking charge and misleading Town isn't something an SK would do. It's quite the opposite, in fact. Think about it. An SK would want to blend in and not attract the attention of scum. If an SK were to somehow lead the Town and get enough people to think he was Town? He'd be a threat to scum and would thus be a target. You also have to bear in mind that an SK *needs* the Town to help kill off the scum. A good SK would want as much Town credit as possible towards the end of the game so that if they get all the scum and make it to LYLO they can actually win. In other words, the reasons you think I'm an SK are really the reasons I WOULDN'T be the SK. Anyway, let's let Helix moderate the discussion so we don't get off on a tangent. That is true if you are not BP. You have claimed earlier that you are BP..unless you lied about that as well. I wouldnt put it past it for there to be a BP SK. In that case only the townies can kill you and the scum cant do anything about it. Then it will make sense for you to take control of the town and look as townie as possible.

Yates: You still need to answer my questions: I see you king of explained the turn-about on Theo but the above two has not been answered. I have a pretty good feeling you are the SK. Apart from the horrible play in trying to out a scum with a fake claim and cutting through all your chest-thumping about how good a player you are, it seems pretty likely to me you wanted to take charge and mislead the town. You also happened to role claim about a role that was randomly posted about by Iron-Helix, and not by the mod. So yes, I think you are lying about your role and would like your full claim and what kind of actions you took last night.

So now you are saying Theo is not scum? Why the about turn? Also so you are confirming EM is the neighborizer? So basically now you have single handedly revealed 2 town roles in one day for 0 return. Even if you are town it seems like you are doing more harm to the town being alive than dead . Anycase, did you have any actions last night? If yes, what did you do and who did you target? I actually want to read your responses to the above so I will unvote for now to prevent a hammer vote. Unvote: Yates

Right. So no role claim from Yates. No evidence of Theo being scum. No claim of any kind of investigation at all on Theo. Pretty much you just forced someone to roleclaim based on your "hunch". You may be right about your "hunch" but your your complete trolling of everyone ..including calling anyone who disagrees with you as scum means I dont really feel like going on with your "hunch". If you are a townie, your attitude is terrible and will probably be getting you lynched. Vote: Yates

I think you are accusing Theo and telling us to vote for him without posting any evidence or claim whatsoever. So towards the end of this day if I dont see a role claim for you and a detailed explanation on why you accused Theo of being scum right off the bat, my vote will be on you. However, I am still interested to see if Theo has more counters for your arguments. Based off those I may vote for Theo instead but at the moment you are looking more scummy to me.