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Is that right? Because I immediately after Wolfpacks results made an analysis on who I thought were town or scum instead 'circling around Wolfpacks results'. Only after I found out that scum had cop roles too did I circle around those results a bit, because there was a possibility that 1) results are made up (if Wolfpacks would be scum) or 2) results are skewed (as Ali himself made clear that he was town even though he came out non-helpful, Framer and what not being in the mix). I don't know whether you're purposely trying to dodge my post or what, but again I'm going to have to correct you on that. I already said, in the post that I had to quote earlier, that I think SM is acting way too dodgy and suspicious, but that I'm willing to hear her part of the argument. This was before everybody started role claiming and after the role claims nothing of significancy from SM and nobody with a PR vouching for her either. So my comment still stands On the scenario that if you were scum and you're saying that I have not made a stance on that, I already said that I'm leaning towards you being town seeing how the previous days have been played out so far. Either way I don't know how you get the idea that I haven't taken a stance yet.

But at this moment in time, knowing now that scum have cop roles too, I'm more leaning to Wolfpacks being scum and you Ali as town seeing how the other days have been played out so far. Also I wouldn't be surprise if either or both Kevin and Rhizo are scum if Wolfpacks turns out to be scum

And just as you think you're starting to get the hang of this whole mafia thing, I learn today that scum have cop roles too.

So what are you saying?

Finally we're playing with something now that Wolfpacks has finally shed some light on this game. Wolfpacks has single handedly taken away doubt for almost half the town now with 4 people being proven as townies. Although i don't know what 'non-helpful' should mean. Does it have to do with being vanilla or having a PR? Even if that were the case, the wording is kind of strange as Kevin and Rhizo were 'normal'. It doesn't get more normal than vanilla does it? That being said the following people have not been completely proven as townies Chaplain of Death: RC to be a follower, which I want to believe, but he followed Lyner (who was killed N1) and Wolfpacks who has confirmed himself as town. I'd say he's 80/20 town as there is still a possibility that he's scum claiming to be a townie with powers trying to get Wolfpacks lynched D4. D34THBR1NG3R: No read what so ever on this guy as he's pretty inactive. iSocialism: His predecessor Maz played really poorly (if you even consider what he did playing), iSoc himself so far has been every on/off. Analysis was given last day, but that's about it contribution wise. King Hitler: Has made some good posts, leaning towards town more Mandarijn: I'm really 50/50 about Manda. His 3 days in game absent was standing out pretty heavily. Want to hear more from him to get a good read. Sister Midnight: Overall always late to the party it seems. Posts have been nothing new, seems to be side with whatever wagon is popular. Last posts of D3 were very suspect. I'm leaning on voting for SM, but I'm willing to hear her side of the argument

I want you to defend yourself and I couldn't care less how you do it. Now almost a week later still no defense no analysis no nothing (see how you casually ignore every single other word in that sentence?), but keep on reading what you want. Apparently everything needs to be spelled out for some people

And another one that reads what he wants, but i guess it's better to not defend yourself right? @Manda: regarding what 1cecream did that was scummy to me. To me at that stage in the game we had what 3 inactives (one of which was you) and a town that had most likely wasted 2 days because D1 was useless because nothing happened + no lynch, D2 Robert was lynched, because how badly he played out his 'defense' and from what I make of it you don't blame anyone for that because you knew how bad he played it. D3 comes and we are no wiser than what we were D1 and in comes 1cecream who gets called out by someone (can't remember who). His one and only response that entire day was that he had nothing to say, not even till the point that a wagon was formed against him. Call that lurking, call that inactivity. Fact of the matter is that he, in my eyes, was the person with the least reasons to play it like this (with all the other inactives in the game). He acted suspicious, town acted on that or else we wouldn't have gotten a lynch on him. He even had ample time to defend himself, instead of helping himself and town he chose to remain completely silent but was able to participate in the other mafia game (so he wasn't completely inactive). To me all those factors made me think that 1cecream was scum. Yes I'll admit that I'm a horrible townie, because I was part of 2 lynches of 2 other townies, but if you saw the bigger picture, can you serious blame me for the fact that these 2 people were lynched seeing how they played it? To me 2 people stand out the most, being Wolfpacks and SM. Wolfpacks for the fact that earlier D2 he had been called out by multiple people for his reasonings, but didn't give a compelling argument in my eyes that would prove to me he's town or at least not scum. From the flipflop to the weird accusations which he later backtracked. He was lucky that 1cecream was playing even scummier, because I'm pretty sure he'd be on more people's radar if 1cecream didn't play like he did. SM caught my eye very late D2. First off that weird request for an extension while we had ample time to discuss and play, Nothing in the meantime had happened to warrant an extension. After she saw that she probably wasn't going to get her extension she voted 1cecream, while 1) deadline had already passed and 2) 1cecream was going to get lynched anyway. To me that sounds like strange, but safe vote. Her vote wasn't put on the board for the lynch because it was after the deadline which kind of hides her vote in this scenario. Why even vote in that scenario? Also the flipflop on Maz/iSoc earlier today caught my eye a little bit. She first mentioned that Maz was very likely scum, but as soon as iSoc said he replaced Maz, she immediately says that because iSoc did 1 analysis, he's town in her eyes. Even though I agree that Maz's gameplay shouldn't be projected completely onto iSoc, you can't entirely see these 2 players apart from each other, especially not with just 1 analysis. Either you're being really flip floppy, or you're protecting iSoc.

@Ali: my comment was more so a comment asking why WP didn't even bother to defend himself, not so much a comment asking him to roleclaim per se.

Really though. If you actually played along with the game, instead of playing catch up the last 3-4 hours, you'd know how the flow of the game was. You can't possibly ignore the fact that BOTH Robert and 1cecream were pretty much prime suspect D2 and D3 respectively. Hindsight is always 20/20, but that's the expected advantage that you have of starting to play at D4 instead of D1 right? If anything, you have said basically nothing for 3 days straight, have completely refused to even vote for 3 days and now you come to make conclusions based on a quick read of a game that has been going on for the past weeks. I suggest you take a closer look, instead of skimming through the entire game for your own sake

He's back

And you don't care to defend yourself? Analysis, roleclaim, anything?

@Ali: what's the alternative? Sitting on our hands while we play a game of mafia with half the players inactive? If you're that blatantly not participating, but do have the time to do so, that to me is worse than lurking. It's counterproductive, it's contra-town

Where the hell did you hear this? I suggest you read my post again if you actually think that that is what I said about the matter. I said that I understand where both you and Kevin were going from and that IF (empathizing it just so it's clear for you) I had to make a choice for the 3 inactives that we had in this game on D2, I chose Manda for the reasons I've stated earlier. I don't know whether it was you actually misreading what I meant, or some cheap way of putting words in my mouth, because I did not intend on voting for Manda in this stage of the game at all, given how the situation is right now, even though he has yet to say anything D3 (which is questionable behavior that you apparently approve of if I were to interpret your post the same way you interpreted mine). I don't know what to make of anything so far. Call it inactivity, call it poor play, but the fact of the matter is that not a lot has been said thus far that is useless and not a lot of people are contributing. Therefore I find it useless to go and make those list at this point in the game, because there is simply too little that has happened so far so the information that you have is very limited and very skewed. That being said I think it's pretty questionable that Icecream has been called out on the fact that he's inactive, yet he responds for the first time and only time yesterday with a post saying there is noting to talk about. This in combination with the fact that he has been playing like this the entire game, tells me that he has something to hide. Also I'd like to point out that he is playing in the other mafia game that is currently running, so he can't possibly be inactive like Manda or Preston is. He should have the time to be active, yet he refuses to do so. Everything added up together it has scummy written all over it. Vote: 1ceCream

Please, deadline day isn't until Friday. I want to hear everything before I want to vote. If anything you seem to be in a rush, definitely scum behavior GIpson = King H, he found his old CN nation and changed his forum name accordingly

I do want to say that I do follow your train of thought Rhizo, but I also kind of share Kevin’s feel a little bit, whether that be his actual feeling I don’t know, but it is mine. Earlier D3 I already pointed out that of all the ‘inactives’, Manda was the one that had the most suspicion to me. He rarely posted and when he did his contribution was basically that he didn’t have anything. Topping it off people asked him how he felt, nothing came out, not even a single vote. Do I think that Manda is busy, yes. But like I said before, you can be busy for a longer period of time, but still post how you feel in 1 post like Preston did so well. You don’t have to be around 24/7, but making the effort like you also did, to share your feelings in one go is enough. Manda didn’t do that, he blatantly did the opposite actually by devoting the time that he had to say there is nothing. So we had 3 inactives, of which we have one replacement now so we’ll have to see how iSoc does, we have you returning from inactivity but in the past you’ve already made some valid points across in the posts that you did make and we have Manda, who 1) I think even announced pretty early on that he wasn’t going to be active, 2) in the posts that he did make said basically nothing and 3) hasn’t casted a single vote the entire game. However you look at it, if we’re looking pure that the 3 inactives that we had, both from a past perspective and a present one, if I had to pick one being scum, it would be Manda. This is just how I feel about the subject matter and I’ve stated multiple times before that I want to hear statements first before jumping to any serious conclusions. But you can’t deny that Manda’s lack of presence doesn’t stand out the most if you were to pick one.

I'm not saying you look like town, I'm saying that to someone it could be like you're the most town as a couple of people have already announced that they think you're most likely town, which is why I phrased the question to Wolfpacks like I did. The answer I got however was very disappointing

Who's angry?

I’m confused Wolfpacks. First you’re getting all dramatic about Robert getting lynched, knowing very well how he got himself in that position to start with and how badly he played it afterwards. Somebody would have called him out on his bullshit and someone did. Ali being the first wasn’t significant in my eyes as many other people questioned Robert’s motives in different parts of the day on different things that he said. Then you say that not Ali was the standout person being the first one wanting to lynch Robert, but now the latter people on the wagon are the ones to watch. To me that sounds like you backing off seeing as multiple people have stated that they think Ali is most likely town and as a result you wanting to shut down your own wagon as soon as possible by backtracking and correcting your previously made statements. You then try to shift back the attention to your vote to Manda (and your non vote for Robert) and basically trying to say that you didn’t think Ali was scum, because look I voted for Manda for said reasons and I also think that again not the one that started the lynch, but those that ended it are suspicious. How far am I off? My question is: are you in favor of the town? Was that failed attempt to start a wagon on Ali because you thought he was actually scum, or was it because you felt that Ali gave the most town vibe off?

Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it. You can't be serious that Robert lynch was 'hurried'. D1 nobody said anything useful, D2 he set himself up by making vague statements about himself and other games and what not, then he got called out about it and he replied with dodgy answers and angry statements that he was 100% right no matter what, because 'he was experienced'. Only on the absolute last day he makes a vague remark that he may have a power role. You can't even call that a RC, because he basically tiptoed his way around it. Like I said D2, whether he was scum or not, it was very badly played on his part. Can't remember whose signature it was, but it sums it up pretty well: talk shit, get hit. At this point it's too early for me to say who is what. I'd like to hear statements from everybody before jumping to conclusions. For me the most stand out is absolutely Manda. Say what you want about inactivity, but some contribution every once in a while would be nice, or at least a vote. 2 days in a row, Manda has yet to vote anything, just pointing it out. Maz, and now iSoc I want to wait out and see, because Maz was really really inactive and not contributing at all. If Maz would have still been playing, I would vote for him, but i don't want to punish iSoc for the mistakes that Maz made so I want to see which way the cat jumps.

Doing this on my phone at work so this will be kept short, but the message will be all the same. Again every post that has posted by Robert ever since he's been close to getting lynched, have all been full on rants about he actually is contributing, how has so much experience playing the game and how everything everybody else says is bullshit unless you agree with him. Talk about good discussion. To top is all of he then on the last possible point of the day half-heartily sort of roleclaim, which we can't even call a claim because you're basically tiptoeing around that as well. I don't know what you're playing at, but whether you're town or scum, it was played very poorly. I still think, seeing all the actions that have led to this, that you're scum and like I said if not, then that was very very poorly bad for someone with so much 'experience'.

I'll post something later today (busy week), but a small remark that I want to make alreadyit: I'm seeing a lot of ranting now from Roberts side. It only took us what 11 pages and what 50 comments on his part for him to finally say something we can half use

Tomorrow will be deadline day and we've yet heard from Robert. Would like to hear some sensible words from his side. Concerning Manda (and also Maz, Rhizo to a lesser extent) their (in)activity is concerning me. Sure I understand that RL is busy (Manda, Rhizo), but posting just for the post so you don't seem inactive (Manda) or not at all (Rhizo/Maz) isn't helping town one bit. Preston is setting a great example by posting everything in one go, even though his activity is on and off. Wish you all could participate some more, because we can use all the help we can get

Any update?

So many post, so little actual content. Just words and rambling. Sorry Robert, but you're getting nowhere and I can't think of a good reason why you're acting like this. Time and time again people have asked questions on top of questions, and till this post, not a single reasonable answer has been given. Vote Robert What do you have to hide?

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