Yates

You find *that* more suspicous than a neghborizing doc claim?

I don't.

Addendum - since this was likely lost over the last however many pages: There is a way that blaskowicz could be MOSTLY telling the truth. He *could* be a doctor - like he said He *could* be in a neighborhood with EM - like he said His character claim *could* be Dr Ned - like he said His flavor claim *could* be 90% of what he posted I told you about this on Day 2 when Theo claimed The answer? Mafia Doc. Mafia doc would allow scum protection from an SK in a game where it should have been difficult to find him plus scum have their QT thus their "neighborhood" [we just call it the scum QT]. Here's what we "know" - the "doc" protected EM twice. How the doc got to EM N2 is not provable. The easiest and most straightforward way? He was the direct target for protection. Also, if we have a vig, tonight would be the night to shoot after blaskowicz flips scum. That would be the final piece that would make scum doctor absolutely vitally balanced in this game as scum could be targeted by 2 killing factions and that would afford them protection.

Deer got neighborizer - common Heliz got innocent child - not super common, but a normal role Daniel claims BP - don't know how many shots but if it's a 1x vest or something like that? - common EM claims the weirdest JOAT imaginable - JOAT isn't all that common but is typically made up of an investigation, protection, and kill [cop, doc, vig, RB being the "standard" JOAT. This is a non standard JOAT. I'm concerned people are glossing over the fact EM claimed an "empower" ability. No such ability exists on MS and that's the lynchpin of EM's reason for being on me N1 - a power that doesn't exist for a role that is already highly suspect. blaskowicz claims neighborizing doctor - this role does not exist on MS nor does it pass the 'smell test.' We already have a neighborizer that is a straight role. No protections have been proven. EVERYTHING regarding the no kill last night could be as simple as "scum didn't kill last night in order to 'prove' blaskowicz's doc claim" You will notice this claim came out when I was still pretending to have turned into a watcher during my gambit? Gut tells me EM and blaskowicz didn't know that was a gambit and they assumed Town had all these exotic non normal roles. As you point out - we don't. My role is BP Tracker - BP cop is fairly common - tracker is a weak cop - thus BP tracker is a weakened BP cop. I imagine the BP was added for balance since we had two killing factions [with the SK] and no clear alignment determining role in a game with many roles. Thus I'd have to eventually release a track report with a target on my back in a game where I'd likely be facing 2 killing roles [nailing the SK on D2 is fast work and not common for balance] with no doc protection. Plus, if EM *is* a mafia role cop? There's your perfect balance without breaking the game.

You know what? You're right. I actually can't even look at this game any more. It's like... I have never seen such OBVIOUS scum play get ignored by confirmed Town. And he's chasing the wrong argument EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It absolutely boggles my mind.... Absolutely. You guys figure out the rest of this game.

I mean for God's sakes, Helix. Look at this post. He votes Yates "for now" just in case you wake up or they get caught so he can move his vote back. And look at the fail logic. A Blas Town flip means Yates scum and MAYBE ABigDeer scum. A Yates Town flip means...??? Uh??? Nothing??? Yeah. Imma vote the wagon that yields zero positive information because that's the most pro-Town move ever, right guys???

Killgor - would you please talk some sense into Helix here? I'm at my wit's end. I'd accuse him of being recruited last night if it weren't for the fact the rules claim there are no cults. God.

Also, how do you not notice that EM and Lyner are only now starting to slip over to me now that you are voicing concerns about ABigDeer? How is that NOT raising a huge red flag???

Didja read any of those links I provided on page 46? Again, I can't PROVE Simternity was without power for that whole period of time but the coincidence is in your face obvious. I'm CLEARLY not faking a weather story as part of some scum gambit. Unless you think mother nature is on my scum team?? Jesus Fucking Christ. You are being trolled by EM, Lyner, and Blaskowicz. How you don't see it is beyond words. How you can even PRETEND to believe there's such a thing as a neighborizing doctor?? WTF... AND you are ignoring the fact that his character claim IS FROM A COMPUTER GAME!!! The only thing not adding up here is Blaskowicz. The fact you are grilling ABigDeer at this point is LAUGHABLE. How about this - why didn't Blaskowicz out Simternity when you guys didn't believe I was neighborized? Why didn't Blaskowicz neighborize you or even ATTEMPT to neighborize you? Doubly bullshit because I flat out said DO NOT PROTECT ME TONIGHT. Was I unclear on that in any way?

I won't say what day I was neighborized. Just look at our QT and tell him the time and date I was added to the QT. Helix will be able to determine when I was neighborized from there.

There is literally NO REASON not to trust ABigDeer *IS* the nighborizer. Period. And that he WILL neighborize you tonight. Period. If he doesn't? Lynch him. It's that easy. What would be the scum motivation behind claiming unlimited neighborizer if he can't prove it?

And since that date might be misleading, if you click on the link it will bring you here: http://vielmetti.typepad.com/vacuum/2013/12/ice-storm-of-december-21-22-2013-and-the-sperry-piltz-ice-accumulation-index.html Which shows you that the storm hit on the 21st-22nd. Which EXACTLY lines up with our night phase.

Heck - here's a power outage map showing stuff still out a WEEK LATER: http://vielmetti.typepad.com/vacuum/2013/12/lansing-michigan-lbwl-crowdsourced-power-outage-map-of-29-december-2013.html

Here you go: http://interactives-origin.woodtv.com/photomojo/gallery/10434/199247/ice-storm-hits-west-michigan/december-2013-ice-storm/ Not something I could have anticipated needing to use just in case someone counter claimed neighborizer...

Psh. As if I had a chance! I asked who he thought was scum and who he thought was Town. You know, thinking we'd have a conversation? 12.5 hours later he made his post about power and I never saw him again until way into the Day phase. Again, I'm guessing it was power related but that's a guess. His posting has been sporadic and you can confirm that. I don't know if mod will tell you why he replaced out but my gut tells me this is why.

Actually, this is a good question for Blaskowicz, isn't it? I'm telling you that my neighbor - who is a normal neighborizer - a role we all know and understand - wasn't around. He wasn't around due to power issues. I don't know for sure but my guess is that's why he was replaced. I was neighborized N1 before you were an IC. Judging by all the attention I received N1, it makes sense that people were Town reading me so I got neighborized. Action checks out, right? Then you become IC. Neighborizing Doc decides to neighborize Yates who straight up said "DO NOT PROTECT ME?" Why would he do that and not neighborize the IC who was an equally likely target only DIDN'T have protection of his own? Boom. There you go. Blaskowicz is scum.

You weren't an IC until Day 2, remember?

I've covered this like a million times. Short answer? I think he's MOST likely a role cop. That's how they'd find the tracker and SK.

I think I posted this in here but I can't be bothered to go back and look... Simternity made one post in our QT. He said he was popping in to say hi. He said he didn't have internet for a while due to a storm that blew through Michigan [date of post was 12/22 if you want to check weather channel or something] and took down power lines. He was posting from a hotel. I also posted early on that I didn't believe Simternity had time to neighborize anyone due to these circumstances way back around the time EM claimed lightning rod and you guys were checking out my "watcher" gambit. I'm telling you it makes sense. And - and this is the important thing - it's PROVABLE. It doesn't mean he's Town but it DOES mean he's the neighborizer. And, if he listens to me, you will be neighborized tonight so that conf Town is saying it.

Are you new to mafia?

@ABigDeer - please neighborize Helix tonight. You can do worse than a mod confirmed Town in the neighborhood.

WHAT?? Simternity WASN'T EVEN HERE. Fine. Lynch Blaskowicz. If he flips Town? The scum team is me and ABigDeer and Daniel if there's a 3rd scum. There you go. You just won the game.

Helix. Stop. I'm not going to have this debate with you. It doesn't matter. It's a scum gambit. He isn't a lightning rod. At least, he isn't a TOWN lightning rod [which means scum no killed with purpose]. Lynch obvscum Blaskowicz.

Meh. Not my BEST reason, I'll give you that. But the reality is that my small amount of meta I have on you is as a lurker and non-contributor. This game is going to be fast and I just can't be bothered to slow the game down waiting for you. This vote would be on Theo if he were in the game. *shrug* Not much to gambit on Day 1. Ummm... I'm a day cop and I got a guilty on you? Oh wait... there are no cops in the game... You are confusing bomb with super saint. Bombs are triggered by night kills. Super saints are triggered by killing the last person on their wagon. The fact you can't differentiate between the two makes me feel good about this lynch because we really can’t be bothered to spend the time teaching people basic role definitions. So even as Town, you would be of zero value. On the plus side, your lynch will tell us something about the people on and off your wagon after your flip. Just ask the mod!

Pretty much. Yes.