Yates

Love you, too. Please take a look at post 783 above, though. The links are to very concise [or at least as concise as I can make them] cases. That should clarify any perceived "rambling" or "babbling" from my posts. I know I was hard to follow during my gambits. That's why I create summaries after revealing the purpose of the gambit. If I had tracked Daniel somewhere last night after he claimed BP Townie? I wouldn't have bothered to gambit. When his claim matched up, I just decided to test you. I wasn't expecting to catch D3mon and EM but that was a nice ancillary benefit of that particular gambit. With all the shenanigans out of the way, I should be a lot easier to read from now on. Promise.

Hi Imran, While you are here - since I know you missed a lot - would you please pay particular attention to the following posts and give your thoughts? Post 769 Post 770 Post 772 Also, do you think EM should answer the questions I posed in post 781? Merci. Yates

Fair enough. So the idea from above remains very bad.

@Mod: Would you please clarify something? Does this mean Mafia has a 1 shot factional ability or does this mean they can use one of those powers EACH night? This point isn't clear to me. Thanks!

Wait. I'm being stupid. Scum can RB the claimed bombs or Doc protect the scum that takes out the bomb. Bad idea. Moving on...

I have an idea. But this is sort of a rough work in progress so don't beat me up too much on it. What if we DO have all our bombs claim right now on Day 1? Then we lynch from the NON bomb claims and based on that wagon analysis we should be able to narrow down the real Town from mafia faking. This not only helps us vet bomb claims for end game but also forces scum to bus so they are less suspicious later. Thoughts?

Oh! Good catch! So how do we confirm bomb claims, is the question...

This is true. I lie A LOT. Anyone in Kazi's game knows this. You're right. I screwed up and missed the part where that first part was inclusive of ALL roles in the game. I premature claimed. It's embarrassing but it happens. *shrug* On the plus side, there's 1-3 more out there.

I came in here to say this: But realized I missed the part about there not being any cops in the game. I guess I'll just have to prove it by catching scum. *shrug*

1. Why were you reluctant to reveal who neighborized you? 2. Do you feel it is LIKELY we have a Doc/Neighborizer in this game? 3. Have you EVER seen or heard of a Doc/Neighborizer role in ANY game before? 4. What do you make of the fact D3mon claimed to have PROTECTED ME last night in his first post of this day phase? 5. Do you think that a Town Investigator should counter claim me if I'm lying and NOT the Town Tracker since I'm clearly not going to be lynched now? 6. Do you have any problems with me tracking you tonight to verify your visit and thus potentially vetting you? 7. And this is a doozy - why were you ever voting for me in the first place given what you supposedly knew as a Town enabler/lightning rod at the time and the fact that YOU supposedly vetted me yesterday yourself?

A hammer vote is the final lynch vote. A bomb is someone that kills someone that tries to kill them at night. A super saint is someone that kills the person that hammers their lynch. A JOAT is a jack of all trades - a role with numerous 1-shot abilities. A lightning rod is someone that draws ALL night actions - typically resulting in death.

It takes me a while to post those screen captures but he's still lurking down at the bottom of the screen right now, fyi.

And as I type this, I'm reminded of something else... http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5415/f2jd.png EM has been active lurking LIKE A BOSS. EM voted for me D3 prior to my revealing that I was gambiting and after HE vetted me as a tracker on D2. He claims it's because he used his lightning rod powers. What he forgot is that if I was a watcher I would have STILL seen everyone that visited - only instead of seeing the people that visited ME I would have seen the people that visited HIM. Town EM would have realized his mistake - especially after personally vetting me the day before - and unvoted. He was on for huge chunks of time while I was at L-1 as an uncountered investigative role that - again - HE PERSONALLY VETTED the previous day and failed to unvote each time. Our one confirmed Town finally logged in, saw the logic immediately, and unvoted. THAT is how Town should have responded. EM is now keeping quiet while lurking in here again because he can not explain his play. He can not explain the disconnect between his claim and Theo's claim from yesterday. AND he can not explain the disconnect between his claim and D3mon's claim from today. PLUS, he has done an inadequate job of explaining how the Flying Spaghetti Monster - a diety, not a monster, and not a FICTIONAL CHARACTER of television or film - is a role in a game full of MOVIE MONSTERS. All of a sudden, too much of EM's claims are crashing down around him and he has got to be frustrated about being unable to mislynch me - twice. In his desperation he is making mistakes. PE: we already nailed the SK with his fake name claim of Van Helsing [he flipped Freddy Kreuger]. So I think we *SHOULD* take it seriously.

3 Bonus Points: 1. All of the Town claims are/have been movie monsters [yes, even Lurch]. 2. Dr. Ned [Theo/D3mon's claim] is NOT a movie monster. He's a character from a computer game. 3. The Flying Spaghetti Monster [EM's claim] is not only NOT a movie monster, he isn't even a MONSTER. These final points should make you feel good about your votes. Just look at your own role PM. If I'm wrong? Let me know. But I'm not.

Why the Theo/D3mon Slot Needs Lynching - by Yates - On Day 2 when I revealed that I saw Theo visit "someone" N1 he revealed that he visited EM. - On Day 2 before I made my BP claim and before Daniel made HIS BP claim, Theo claimed Doctor. - Theo claimed to be "Dr. Ned" - who apparantly is from a game? - On Day 3 when I claimed I saw 3 people visit me D3mon said HE PROTECTED ME - EM claimed lightning rod - EM claimed he was neighborized - EM claimed he was neighborized BY D3MON Since there's no such thing as a doctor/neighborizer role, this thing needs death. EM would/should know this so his reluctance to reveal D3mon's name is as suspicious as his fake claims. We can't PROVE he wasn't an enabler, we just have to guess. We can't PROVE he wasn't a lightning rod, we just have to guess. What we do know is that the timing of his lightning rod conveniently came the night AFTER we lynched the SK. At that point EM was claiming that he knew DOCTOR D3mon would protect him from a night kill when in fact it is equally likely that he tried killing me last night and failed or tried killing Daniel last night for WIFOM and failed. The scum flip that is coming on the D3mon slot finally implicates EM scum. Thus, we lynch D3mon today. D3mon will flip scum. We give EM one last night action to provide HARD evidence he is Town. When he fails to do so, we lynch him tomorrow. He will flip scum. Then that's either game over or we find the last scum. I will track EM tonight to verify his claim. At this point there's no reason to hide the fact that my BP is 1-shot. If I die tonight that means that I was shot N2. If I was shot N2 that means EM lied about being a lightning rod. Thus if scum is able to pull off tonight what they were unable to pull off last night? They just exposed scum EM. Make sense? Agreement can be confirmed with a vote on D3mon.

Fair enough. *sigh* At this point it doesn't really matter. We have the information we need to lynch the slot and waiting for a replacement to read then lynching them anyway would be downright cruel. In that case, let me summarize: Day 2 started with me accusing the Theo/D3mon slot of being scum. Theo claimed doc. Theo claimed he doc protected EM. Theo claimed to be Dr. Ned - which was questioned. I revealed that I was gambiting him and that I am a tracker and tracked EM back to me. EM confirmed visiting me and claimed to be an "Enabler." I was also neighborized by Simternity's slot. Simternity has verified. We lynched 3rd Party [this is significant for later]. Day 3 started with me claiming I saw 3 people visitng me last night. I voted Imran - who was suspicious to me - in order to make him think I "knew" he had a night action. ***D3mon claimed he "Doc protected me." EM claimed he was a lightning rod [which means all night actions are performed on him]. EM also claimed he was neighborized. EM later claimed he was neighborized but not by Simternity [my neighbor]. Imran finally posted claiming he had no night action and voted for me. I revealed my 2nd gambit and that I tracked Daniel to nowhere. Daniel has confirmed he went nowhere. I was run up to L-1. I challenged any Town Investigative role to counter claim me - since we had a doc to protect him and he would have 2 investigations there would be no reason NOT to reveal. EM finally claimed that D3mon neighborized him.

I have some other evidence to present but I'd really like D3mon to answer these questions first. Since *some* people [lol - killgor] think we will not be able to get a good lynch in on time today - AND scum seem to be employing an active lurking strategy to stall the day, can we agree that D3mon is our lynch for today if he hasn't answered by a certain time tomorrow? I am supremely confident in his lynch - if he vets EM's claim - and it will clear up some stuff about EM as well. Unvote Vote: D3mon Because I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.

Good point.

So let's clear this up real quick.... @Mod - I believe a prod is due on D3mon, please? Gracias! @D3mon - Did you neighborize EM last night? If so, why? Thanks, bro.

And you would have been lynched tomorrow. Aren't you glad you didn't, now? Or do you think D3amon is a Doc/Neighborizer?

D3mon? Who replaced Theo? Who claimed Doctor? And you thought you'd keep this a secret because....???

Maybe not MASS claims but I will do this: Claim: Bomb There's the liklihood for too many vig's. Assuming there's only 1 scum team, that means I'm far more likely to be targeted by Town than by scum. With these setup specs, you can't play this role straight.

Helix - what do you make of EM's active lurking yesterday? Also, what do you make of all the protective claims out there? Even if you think I'm lying about my bp you still have another bp claim, a doc claim, and a lightning rod claim? Finally - given that my ability has been vetted TWICE, would you agree that I should not be lynched unless someone counter claims a Town investigation role? I mean, there's little doubt I'm a tracker. So all that remains to be verified, apparantly, is my alignment. Assuming I'm lying about being Town aligned, any other investigator would already have two investigations and would be able to implicate me. Plus we supposedly have a doc so that counter claim would live at least until tomorrow if I flipped scum or you just caught a scum doc and have two clears [from N1 and N2], right? Bonus, if someone counters and you decide to lynch me, there should be no question of that persons's alignment so it's like having a free investigation.

Seems everyone but EM agrees with this. The question for Simternity is how he "knows" Robert's slot is Town as a neighborizer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOiN5TQhP2Q

Are you saying you only have 1 scum partner?