Yates

woot! Ninjaed!

Yup! That should just about do it. So unless you think he's a neighborizing doc, would you please vote for Blaskowicz so Helix can hammer when ready? Thanks!

Anyway, the info is all there. I'll be snowshoeing all day tomorrow. Please lynch the fake "neighborizing doc" claim. There is literally no excuse for ANY of the play from that slot. Also, please push EM to answer this post and this post and make him HARD COMMIT. If he's Town? He has no reason not to. As scum? It limits his ability to invent excuses on the fly. Do this. PLEASE.

Actually, duh, I just looked up PGO: "The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. " So yeah, I'm pretty sure my theory stands. My BP - in this hypothetical lightning rod scenario - WOULD prevent a kill. Something else of note, that I didn't mention yesterday before the SK was lynched, is that my BP would have blocked multiple kills. I did double check this with the mod. He redirected me towards this:

Well, I can neither prove nor disprove this. [go to google and search for "site:mafiascum.net lightning rod" without the quotes] Lightning rods are mentioned but very rare in actual games and I simply can't find a game with both a lightning rod AND BP in it. I think lightning rods are rare because of issues like this - they become a nightmare to resolve. Again, I feel like this whole discussion is moot, though. This is almost certainly a scum gambit and we are spinning our wheels for nothing.

Ok. This should clear it up: Natural Action Resolution. Like I said, I don't know how Daniel's BP works but mine is triggered. So my passive action is like a paranoid gun owner only instead of killing it resurrects. I'm combing through completed games looking for "lightning rod" and seeing if any of them also include a BP player. Most of them are setup like this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4686184#p4686184 In all of these games, the lightning rod is a single 1 shot ability and not part of a JOAT. But bear with me as I keep looking...

I've never played with a lightning rod before so I'm not 100% sure [more like 95%] on how night action resolution would work in this situation but: "The Lightning Rod passively redirects every Night Action to itself. This includes the Mafia's kill as well as all investigations, protections, and so forth. " [source] So I *believe* a passive protection - like a BP - would also redirect to the lightning rod. Not sure why it wouldn't since it isn't a vest or something like that. In my case, I have the Book of the Dead. So in the event I was killed, the kill triggers a protection from the book - exactly in the same way, I imagine, as if a doc had protected me. You'd have to ask Daniel how he claims his works. In reality, the point is likely moot as EM is almost certainly running a scum gambit. While I obviously can't prove it? I believe they either targeted me or Daniel last night. When they got a no kill? This was their last ditch effort to get a mislynch on the tracker. The way you will know if they targeted me last night is if I get killed tonight. That means they targeted me last night and it went through. If that happened, EM was obviously NOT a lightning rod. If Daniel is killed tonight then HE was targeted last night and thus EM is obviously not a lightning rod. He will undoubtedly claim "scum blocker!" But that's silly. If there was a scum blocker, I would have been blocked last night and I wasn't. Bookmark this post for review tomorrow.

On second thought, at least Angel's posting. Posting means reads. unvote Vote: iSocialism You don't get to lurk your way through two games. De ja vu?

You must have "accidentally" missed this: So a Yates/Daniel scum team since we both claimed BP which would have ALSO protected a Town EM? Any idea how I knew you visited me N1 and that you went nowhere N2 since I made that claim before you claimed lightning rod? Any reason you keep "forgetting" those claims? Any reason you haven't answered any of the questions I posed to you that might indicate even a smidgen of pro Town EM?

Imran and Helix - would you please help us lynch scum and vote Blaskowicz? If you are having ANY doubts that I haven't addressed, would you please let me know what they are? I can't imagine a scum lynch tied up in a prettier/more obvious bow.

So you are arguing that our "doc" - who actually has yet to prove a save and may not even be responsible for an alive Town lightning rod - is super valuable but that our investigator role is not? Is that what you are trying to hang your hat on? Or are you just scared because you couldn't kill Daniel last night and now you realize that you can't kill me tonight AND that you are going to be tracked? Yeah. I see why you are so nervous.

Yeah. EM has won a LOT of mafia games on this site. I refuse to believe he derped his way to those wins. Blascowicz, EM, Lyner scum team. Called it. Book it.

So a Yates/Daniel scum team since we both claimed BP which would have ALSO protected a Town EM? Any idea how I knew you visited me N1 and that you went nowhere N2 since I made that claim before you claimed lightning rod? Any reason you keep "forgetting" those claims? Any reason you haven't answered any of the questions I posed to you that might indicate even a smidgen of pro Town EM?

What do you need from him? To know if he neighborized anyone? Pretty sure he would have mentioned it in his first post if he had.

Deal.

1. I didn't "watch," I "tracked" 2. If you think EM is a lightning rod, then he didn't go anywhere. I claimed my target didn't go anywhere. Where's the disconnect? 3. Why do you think he used his powers? Because you claim you targeted me and ended on him? If you were Town, would you not see the obvious possibility of a bus driver? Meh. I've grown bored with you. You aren't remotely convincing or Town telling in any way shape or form. Hammer at will.

I knew you'd get there...

That's a null tell. Plus, I don't understand why you just blurted a role claim [inb4 pot and kettle!].

Are you being serious right now? On the plus side, scum will NEVER EVER NK you.

You almost had me willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Vote: Angel Cruz dela Sant L-1

And that's assuming you believe EM's lightning rod. Have you considered this; EM is a scum role cop/watcher/tracker?

I'm BP. Daniel claimed BP. Neither one of us would be alerted to our passive powers being triggered.

Well, I am getting lynched this evening, no? Hard to protect someone when you're dead. That's kind of my point. *I* would be lynched instead of you if someone counter claimed me. Also kind of my point. Let's say someone counter claimed and they investigated killgor and Lyner... If they both came up clean? Well guess what? You have two cleared Townies, you would be a 3rd cleared Townie as my counter wagon, and I'd be scum - right? So now the mafia would be down a man with FOUR people cleared [adding IH as the IC]. That's a hell of a hole.

Right. So you continue to ignore the pertinent questions and points. Noted. If this is how you would play the role? You would be stupid. Check it: 1. Investigator would have 2 investigations 2. Those investigations would implicate scum or clear Town 3. Investigator would be protected at least for tonight if you are a Doc 4. Investigator would have a 3rd investigation tomorrow 5. Investigator counterclaiming me catches me as scum without wasting an investigation 6. There are only 3 people that could even BE an investigator 7. Presumably at least 1 of those people would be my scum buddy [leaving 50/50 odds] 8. Given 7 - what makes you think an investigator would live through tonight? 9. Given 8 - why would they die without revealing their investigation results? It is quite obvious that there is no reason for an investigator to stay hidden at this point. Even your scum buddy Mango knows what's up. That's why he wont answer the question publicly. It is also quite obvious that I am so "fervently" looking for a counter claim because that counter claim would be proven false when I was finally mislynched to save your scum slot. Thus, I will have confirmed my suspicion that Lyner is your third scum buddy - assuming there are 3 scum. As scum, I'd have no need to push this angle because if we didn't kill the investigator tonight, my partner would kill the investigator tomorrow night. What say you?

Did I claim that? Funny. Can you quote that for me? I'm too lazy to embarrass you the way I did Lyner. Ahhh who am I kidding: "I tracked Daniel to nowhere." "I tracked Daniel. Daniel went nowhere." "I tracked Daniel Vigrid last night and received 'no result.' That means either I was blocked or he didn't go anywhere last night." And before admitting to my gambit [thus the real result crumb] "I will say that Daniel did not visit me." Your scum strategy to gloss over important information and questions is REALLY bad and has been blown completely open. This goes for you, EM, and Lyner: "I don't understand the Town motivation in ignoring ALL the important questions... That is NOT Town behavior." And don't get me started on the active lurking. Though you've been good about it, the two people in your slot before you were TERRIBLE. Ok. Maybe you're right. How do we go about proving I'm not? Would a counter claim suffice? Seems like a good idea to me. Why did you ignore this vital question? "Given that you ARE a doctor [as you claim], do you see any reason for a Town Cop/Watcher/Tracker NOT to counter claim me as we stand here on Day 3? " Isn't that how we'd catch lying scum Yates and prevent a mislynch on the ever important Neighborizing Doc? Or have you come to the inevitable conclusion that it would require you to out the 3rd member of your scum team publicly?