Samus

Fair play. When Rafay is lynched, we'll get to find out before the night starts if he had a modifier like x shot or "odd night". Hopefully that will 100% confirm my role. A lot of people have chimed in on this situation I have presented, some have kept entirely quiet.

Can I assume from this that you are a 1-shot Vig and only used your power on N2 when you killed MK? yes. and ABT how don't we gain anything? If Rhizo dies tonight, we have an extra day to lynch scum?In addition, you don't think your third scenario is a VERY risky move to make from the point of view of a werewolf? You still haven’t explained why you targeted MK. If you are a 1shot townie vig why would you use your one shot on night 1? maybe read the thread? Y'all seem to be more focused on my reason behind lying when it's quite clear i'm town more than finding who the next scum are. Wolves are probably jumping for joy behind the scenes. Not going to bother re-explain myself lol, if y'all want to lynch me - go ahead.

This sounds scummy as hell. A player lying about their role doesn't automatically mean they are scum, there are other motives to deceiving the players other than to form a wagon. I lied partly because I wanted to stay alive longer, but also to see how that would influence others decisions. So tell me who killed MK? And tell me why what reason I would be asking for a reload, if I were not town vig, other than to kill Rhizo tonight. You can vote for me and push a wagon (doubt it will work though), but you'd just be doing the werewolf's work for them. We're on the same team >_> Well maybe if you do decide to lynch me, then werewolves won't have to waste their kill on me, maybe they'd just kill TW instead and we'll be 2 town down. is the objective of all mafia games to kill samus asap Wait, now your a Vig, your too flip floppity. Samus has landed in my top suspects now. Maybe if you didn't ignore my posts, and actually read them, you'd understand what's happening This is playing right into werewolves hands, you guys not seeing this.

i've explained this already. fake claim was to avoid being early NK'd. Nurse is pretty much just a vanilla town. If I RC'd my real role initially, you don't think I would've been dead earlier on in this game? I mean I get that you guys are trying to be analytical and whatnot, but the PGO scenario and TW being wolf is extremely risky to come out with from the point of view of a werewolf at this point of the game atleast. The whole game everyone's had me in their "townie" book, it would be stupid for me "as a werewolf" to pull a move like that now and change the whole narative. It would be something maybe I would do if there were any heat on me. In addition ABT, you only point out worst case scenario's. I hear you, but the best case scenario is truly to kill Rafay & Rhizo today. Your scenario with mis lynches should be a last resort strategy not the initial. Not realistic, but the primary goal should be to lynch scum daily. Killing Rafay & Rhizo tonight should be the goal.

wow

Can I assume from this that you are a 1-shot Vig and only used your power on N2 when you killed MK? yes. and ABT how don't we gain anything? If Rhizo dies tonight, we have an extra day to lynch scum? In addition, you don't think your third scenario is a VERY risky move to make from the point of view of a werewolf?

Kevin said they all hit at the same time.

I was initially going to wait to I saw an obvious time to use it. Nothing specific about him that I couldn't say about others. My suspected list of scum were the ones that voted for Imran with no real context apart from "YEAH I AGREE WITH SBG. VOTE!". And when he was eventually killed and found not to be scum, I knew I was going to use my action on one of them.

is the objective of all mafia games to kill samus asap

Well I really wanted to see how the day would go and see if possible who would jump at the opportunity of using me lying to start a wagon against me, but didn't quite work out how I imagined it in my head I did lie about my role and this was partly the reason. As you know from majority of the games i've experienced i'm a normal 'early game' kill candidate, RC a useless role - to me - puts scums attention away from me and I guess it worked since I lasted this long lol. I'm the town Vig. Here's some info: Night 1, there were 3 kills - supposedly 1 mafia, 1 werewolf & 1 SK?Night 2, there were 3 kills. But I used my action to target MK and kill him and so that means either 1 of the 3 scum faction were either inactive, an x shot SK or a faction's action was blocked.Night 3, inclined to think Rafay is an x shot as I don't believe all 3 actions got blocked last night But as per TW's revelation and Rhizo being scum I was planning to kill him tonight, which was why I asked for the reload. I already asked Kevin and he said I can be reloaded and use my action within the same night.

Maybe scum are here?

what's your night action again?

One thing that I can't really seem to get into my head is why the US government spend millions of taxpayers $$$ enforcing anti drugs, which to me says "drugs are a problem and not people", but when it comes to guns, it's "people are the problem, and not guns"

ABT. Tonight can you please use your action on me please. I won't say anything now, but you won't regret it.

Well Mafia didn't kill anyone so it's very likely a doctor did protect me/someone, so it is believable.. But "i've been gone a couple of hours"? Sorry don't buy that, you've been gone the entire game mate, just sounds like a desperate excuse to stay alive.

So Rafay, anything to say? If you're a townie, surely you would want to defend the town in general by not allowing everyone to vote for an innocent town huh?

Unvote per ABT. Would like the day to ride its usual cause, otherwise would be a wasted day you reloaded him last night?

Actually surprised to be alive this far lol Vote Rafay.

Well... like I said at the very beginning... "Another gun control debate will go nowhere". which is why any debate that happens, should be focused around alternatives

100% agree. I'm sure there are parents prior to this shooting who shared the same exact view as you Lys. But what happens when they are directly affected by it? You think their views don't change?

To be honest I don't think there's any point in discussing gun control laws when it regards the US. The country is too far deep in, guns will never be taken away, best to look at an alternative solution. On a general scale people will still defend the rights to have guns after recurring incidents like this, until they are individually affected - individual emotions will never be sufficient enough.

So so so so tragic I know this type of stuff happens quite often in the US, and i'm sure a lot of people are quite numb to it. But I saw this tweet which shows a conversation between 2 brothers who were students of the school, both hiding for their life and it literally just got me. https://twitter.com/SzZeif/status/964148278932725760 it's really real out there

I think they're just 2 people trying to defend theirself. Mafia probably watching from the sides allowing it to play to their advantage. I certainly do not believe brewsers is scum, Yehom i'm currently neutral on. To add to that: I find it funny how you pointed Jazzy, Rafay & me out of ALLLL the other players that aren't getting involved. If it's found out that you're scum, i'd warn the town to look at the players he disregarded that are CLEARLY not contributing. Anyway I know who my vote is on tomorrow.

how is it? We only have 2 choices, both which there are very flimsy cases against. 3 dead tonight is better than 4 atm and 3 people are going tonight. My biggest scum target is Rafay, unfortunately I can't vote for him. Or he may just see this and get his buddies to kill me

At this rate, nobody is going to share their actions. and then in 2 nights town loses. If nobody shares information, the game is already lost. We don't need to mass role claim then, but nobody is really trying to talk?