Zacch

A lot of people were on the Kevin wagon, I didn't understand why he would do what he did and agreed with the arguments being made against him. I acknowledge I am a wildcard and ultimately wouldn't fault someone for picking me. But we all know its very unlikely that I would draw scum and if I did, I would surely be a lot more discrete about it. I'm not convinced about brewers but will take everyone's word that he is being genuine for now. The Iron wagon was admittedly a stab in the dark, it could make sense but Imran correctly pointed out N1. Still that doesn't rule it out.

The false sense of sympathy reminded me of someone who commits a crime and then immediately comes out and says how bad it is that someone would do that. Almost identical to my day 1 lulz vote for jazzy, but with brewers being scum and his vote being hidden (at night) to us simple town folk. I think brewers had tony night killed and then to throw everyone off his trail, he comes out and says how "unsportsmanlike" this was. Will be funny when we find out later that he's scum. Or Brewers could be on to someone and this was an IRON member making sure Tony never got a fair shot to play. Now as someone just returning to CN after 7 years away, I don't even know who tony is and could care less how he left. But robert, DK, imran....., now thats a different story. FoS: IRON

This statement coming from brewers seems sus. Vote: Brewers

What's OMGUS mean? seriously lol..... https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Omgus Basically just means that you voted for someone for no reason other than because they voted for you. Generally it's considered a very newbie thing to do because it's not a legitimate reason to vote someone, and most experienced players are used to being voted for and won't get so annoyed by it. I agree, well put. Unvote Vote KevinH

What's OMGUS mean? seriously lol.....

Day 1 is meaningless. You can vote for me, but you'll just be killing a townie. Unvote Vote: Preston Because he voted for me, so I'm returning the favor.

No malice intent, just being a noob.

I can't wait until they take all your guns!!

Reluctance to vote is kinda sus.

How do we know they are both not scum. We have yet to see Tony vote Kevin, despite this growing wagon started by Kevin to lynch Tony. It was a strange thing to do, why come out and role claim in the first place if nobody has accused you of anything. I'm sticking with Kevin, but would be just as open to switching my vote to Tony if a better argument can be presented.

It seems strange to me that you would risk yourself to be killed just to preemptively head off the possibility of a person with a tracker role having lucked out and seen your action when there are 14 possible targets for the tracker(s). If you are telling the truth then that exposes you to getting killed at the night. My current theory is that you are scum, and are hoping to bait us on using a power class to try and prove or disprove your claims and exposing them. Now if I am incorrect and you are a townie, that play also hurts the team as a whole because if the scum also has the role you have then you are unintentional bait. From how I see it is no matter if you are a townie or scum you put us into a corner. That is a logical well put argument. Vote: KevinH

A voyeur can only target one player each night, and will only learn the actions taken on that player. If we assume Kevin's claim is true, then the only thing he knows is that someone killed iSoc, which we obviously already knew, hence why several of us are saying that his claim is useless and unnecessary for town. He can't know anything else about any other protective actions that iSoc or anyone else may have taken last night. We can certainly check if Kevin is telling the truth about his role by telling him to target someone on night 2 and then someone can perform an action and if kevin confirms the action correctly then he's telling the truth, if he doesn't confirm it correctly then we know he is scum. But I think we would be a lot better off trying to figure out who rolled vision. This way if someone can protect him, it would delay the next stone.

How do we know what his role was? Just because his character name starts with "doctor", doesn't mean his role was doctor. To assume that he had a doctor role and that there are no doctors roles left would be premature. The real question we should be asking is which of us is vision (the next avenger to get killed)? And then if there is a doctor roll still in play, kevin can confirm if a protection action was taken on vision or not. If he is who he says he is. Now it may not be wise to claim that doctor role if and who it currently is as it will become a prime target at night. Reread it. iSocialism (Doctor Strange), ***an Avenger Doctor,*** has been killed on night 1. He was a Doctor and a doctor Doctor doesn’t seem like a word to me anymore lol Yes my mistake he was a doctor, but the point remains, it doesn't mean no one can protect anymore. We don't know what any of the roles are.

How do we know what his role was? Just because his character name starts with "doctor", doesn't mean his role was doctor. To assume that he had a doctor role and that there are no doctors roles left would be premature. The real question we should be asking is which of us is vision (the next avenger to get killed)? And then if there is a doctor roll still in play, kevin can confirm if a protection action was taken on vision or not. If he is who he says he is. Now it may not be wise to claim that doctor role if and who it currently is as it will become a prime target at night.

Its possible all of us avengers have a predetermined order of death should we not lynch all scum by a certain round, we will all be dead.

I feel like if brewers was Thanos, he would have had the balls to claim it on day 1. If thanos is even a playable role. Can we get a post count for day 1?

Tony’s response to Zacch: We can agree to disagree. I'll concede on Imran, but LWW is still on my scum list. Unvote Vote: No Lynch

As I previously stated, I am firmly on the side of not lynching someone on the first day just for the sake of lynching someone. My scum list represents the people who I feel are pushing the narrative the most for someone to be lynched for the sake of lynching someone. What's wrong with trying to provoke a response for those who are in the minority trying not to be found, especially on day 1 when you have nothing else to go on other than first impressions.

This is a witch hunt. unvote vote Imran Scum List: 1. Lord MK 2. lww 3. Imran

I can see the logic, personally I'm more sus of the early voters that have since gone quite.

So your saying lww is mafia?

Dick pick incoming Since you asked ... Rule of thumb is that 1/4 of players are scum. So that's 3 or 4 scum in this game, meaning 10 or 11 townies. Even at deadline it would take 4 townies to lynch a scum and resist influence from the scum to lynch somebody else. A day 1 lynch almost always takes out a townie. this counts too Dick pic sent. check DMs Dick Pick Evaded

To lynch or not to lynch, that is the question. The arguments I'm seeing are as follows: 1. We don't know if there is a mechanic that would make not lynching someone on the first night a bad choice. But the counter argument to that is we don't know if there IS a mechanic that would make lynching someone on the first night a bad choice. 2. If we don't lynch anyone, it makes the conversation dead. But the counter argument to that is: What useable information do you get out of randomly picking someone to lynch? 3. Not lynching someone would extend the overall game length, which is a concern with inactivity. But the counter argument to that is: If someone goes inactive, then they will be lynched. Are there anymore arguments for or against lynching someone on night one?

That would be the obvious choice, but not likely the correct one.

If were going to lynch anyone it should be the person who wants there to be a lynching the most.