Kaziocore

So I was busy with work and stuff so I couldn't be as active as I should be :\ A: If I suspected KevinH for voting no-lynch or sometimes make fluff posts. If I suspected Rafay for doing noting to help the town and being inactive, that would be a lame case. What I find suspicious is that you're the one making fluff posts and insisting your vote on Lyner for the first few pages based on the frequency of him being scum. I think I've seen you only played scum once so I may be wrong but in this game, my gut tells me you're scum. B: If you think I suspected you solely on the fluff posts, then you should consider re-reading my entire post. C: Oh really? How can you suspect Lyner more than EM, me, or anyone for that matter when your sole reason for voting Lyner is the fact that he came out as scum most of the time. Not much really. Just a feeling atm. He has been the 2nd to vote to lynch on 2 people so far -> which may indicate he is trying to get a wagon started but not be too obvious about it by hammering or or putting the 4th vote. Also I posted why I am voting for Lyner. I havent seen any reason from him yet. D: You're last statement on Lyner can be found here. You never justified your vote even after a wagon has formed on Lyner. If your top suspect is Lyner on D1 and your reason is purely a nonsensical one, then it goes without saying that you didn't hunt for scum at all. This is clearly scummy especially for a player like Imran. E: This is a silly excuse for scum. You didn't bother to hunt for scum at all because you're scum yourself. F: So that means if I find a player scummy, I shouldn't be too insistent. Yeah we should be insistent but the moment that we're too insistent, it's scummy. Wow. How are we supposed to lynch players? G: Okay so you chose to vote Lyner based on the number of mafia games he had versus lynching Rafay who hardly ever posts anything that is not fluff??? If you think all posts are seemingly random anyway on D1, why not vote Rafay instead who could arguably be more detrimental to town in the coming days? H: Already discussed in E and maybe other points. I: Nope this is arbitrary and lazy scum hunting. Also this may be points in http://wiki.mafiascum.net/ that are probably outdated because almost everyone knows this. A better reason should be Player A voted 2nd on a wagon after unvoting from Player B. Player A gave a reason that doesn't add up or it feels like. You judge on the bolded text. If we judge solely on who voted twice on wagon, scum like you can arbitrarily vote people in the middle of the wagon when they couldn't find a better suspect. J: If I recall, only KevinH suspects more Robert than d3mon. Also, Robert is dangerously active for scum. It doesn't matter that he is in a lower tier than d3mon, if he's active, he can find scum and counter arguments with people. ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- We still have 40 hours to go. If there's no time and I'm lynched, lynch Imran. My next suspect is between Rafay and Montosh. We should have lynched Rafay on D1. I find it funny that he was complaining that town lost the last game but in this game, he didn't make an effort to hunt scum and post less fluff ( no offense to you Rafay ) As for Montosh, I didn't like his latest post Well, if he is the chosen townie there's obviously that benefit. Additionally, if he suspects anyone that votes for him, why should others take heed of that specific suspicion. Unless the suspicion is backed by some evidence in behavior in posts, most townies won't really listen to it. That said, we can play the, "if I was scum I wouldn't do this, so doing this means i'm not scum" game all we want, it doesn't really add anything to the dynamic. ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Honestly, I'm not sure why the chosen townies have to keep their identities to the town when the mafia knows them already. Can they like reveal themselves now :\ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- In summary, if I'm lynched, get Imran next. Then work out between who is scummier between Rafay and Montosh.

Also if I'm scum and KevinH is town, it wouldn't make sense to vote for KevinH knowing that he automatically suspects people who vote for him :/

Also, sorry for the reply. I was busy with work :V

I just have to say this. If I'm scum and KevinH is town, I wouldn't night kill KevinH --- Let me comment on stuff that I missed Just another reason why it's meaningless to guess a scum group when no scum player has flipped. Lyner turned up as town but it doesn't mean KevinH and EM are scum. I have to comment on this. I'm not sure why Robert said I was wishy washy here. It goes without saying that this would be suspicious if Lyner came out as scum and I wanted to announce to everyone that I approve of the wagon. --- Okay I'll set aside my suspicion on KevinH first because right now my biggest suspect is Imran Ehsan For most part of D1, he didn't do anything substantial or something. #18 - like wtf his reason for voting Lyner is because he frequently plays as scum. #25 - another fluff post When the wagon formed between Electic Mango and KevinH, he never commented the merits of both wagons. Based on our meta, I think, people suspect the players who lynch the town on D1. Maybe he's afraid to choose a side because of this. #76 - I don't like his justification for voting Lyner here. Also note that he still didn't comment anything regarding the wagon that formed Explain why I'm scummy. Also, just think that if I am scum, why would I say I'm okay with lynching Lyner when he will turn up as town and knowing the meta, people will eventually use this excuse to lynch a player on D2. Also if you find that Rafay has refused to post anything substantial, isn't that worthy of a vote? Why did you leave your vote on Lyner and not switch it to Rafay? Also you stated that all votes on D1 are "random" anyway, why use votes as a reason for suspecting someone? #160 - Also I don't buy your reason for suspecting both d3mon and I. So was there an actual game where scum planned and said to one another to be the 2nd vote in a wagon? Also, why did you find the 2nd vote in a wagon suspicious but not say, the third one. Also why not a combination of the 2nd vote in the first wagon and the 3rd vote in the second wagon and vice versa. This looks arbitrary and it seems that you're just finding a reason to pair the two of us. If you suspected solely on this without taking into account the motivation for our vote (for example I voted KevinH to finish RVS and move the game forward), I would say this is a bit forced. Vote: Imran Ehsan --- Okay I have a crazy idea right now. Maybe KevinH is townie after all and scum is taking advantage of KevinH's most likely wrong assumption that people who voted between EM and especially him is scum. Lyner is dead and Robert2424 was killed so it's logical that I and d3mon will be suspected (though I'm not saying d3mon is also townie). --- My second suspect is probably Rafay just to let everyone know.

I'll read these posts tomorrow

Lyner is fine too

I think it's safe to say that no one would dare to hammer a player at a very early stage of the game (whether townie or scum) I could only see that scenario happening if there is a newbie from either faction. I still want to lynch KevinH :|

So that means as mafia and if you're town, they'll have to vote anyone besides you so you won't suspect them lol

Lyner is also a great choice in my opinion. Almost all of his posts are fluff and no one should get away with it >:|

how is randomly lynching someone for no reason any better? I don't know about you but I think some of use are not lynching randomly. Also, just to notify anyone, I'll be away from Oct 18 (Saturday) to Oct 20 (Monday).

Yeah and we all know based from all the games in history that those who vote for you are scum right

I guess you never heard of 4chan too :V

Would you mind telling us what readings you are getting from KevinH? I'm interested to hear it.

I thought the rules say we cannot no lynch

You should be more honest that this is an OMGUS vote and I see you unvoted Electric Mango to elicit sympathy from him :V Lyner has voted EM who has voted KevinH This means Lyner and KevinH are the scumteam Vote: KevinH We need more drama so we can move forward from the RVS The deadline is still a week away and I find your nervousness interesting. I find it interesting that Lyner switched his vote, effectively saving EM from possible lynch. Not much else, other than analyzing the buildup of votes. I don't understand the point of your post here. You find it interesting (you mean suspicious) that Lyner saved EM from a possible lynch. Then why did you unvote EM and then voted me? Also my statement regarding EM and Lyner is meant to be tongue in cheek, hence the emoticon. It was more or less a random vote but it was made so that we can end the RVS. See, we're now discussing things so that means it worked. Generally, it's never a good idea to pair scum players before one of the mafia is lynched because most of the time, your guesses will be wrong.

The deadline is still a week away and I find your nervousness interesting.

Lyner has voted EM who has voted KevinH This means Lyner and KevinH are the scumteam Vote: KevinH We need more drama so we can move forward from the RVS

Unless you're scum :V

What I mean is after the game has finished, we would like to know how the mafia planned their moves and stuff

Use quicktopic so we can read their messages

I'll mod the next game after this but you should join Preston :V

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Approved_Open_Setups

/sign-up long time no see Preston

I think you should have claimed earlier knowing that people are not very active

well GeniusInc made it worse lol