Ferastical

AbT brought up the possibility that scum would be more likely not to have joined the Rafay wagon, so he was sussing Tony, Kevin and someone else I can't remember right now... anyway, that got Kevin involved, so they had a little argument. There was also math involved I trusted Kevin because of what he did on D1, I read that as a townie play and as such am currently siding with him for the time being. I think the fact that Kevin backlashed so hard might've caught other people's attention and as such they have decided to vote him. That's how I read the situation as of now.

Deadline is the moment midnight hits in UTC, you can technically call it Sunday. We have 11 hours.

Oh, yeah, that. Hmm, elaborate plot to distract us with funnies? Cuz it's kinda working Enjoy your steroids then. We're on our last day now, so if anyone has been holding back their vote for some reason, now is the time to place it!... or not. I'm not your mom. That stuff is your responsibility.

We did it boys, we found the way to beat mafia. Let's all just say whether we're town or not! AbT and LWW, I've seen you both be rather active in discussion, but no votes yet. Waiting for something?

I actually would like to wait a bit in case there is ever a chance that Robert will show up to say something... also now that I think about it, who would want to be a replacement in a game if they'll get lynched during the same day they join? Just seems so sad, lol

That's actually quite interesting, but at that point Rafay already has 5 votes. Changing vote to WP is a safe bussing if Kevin is scumIf KevinH is a scum, there wasn't any real risk involved in voting on WP. There were already like 5 votes on Tony and 3 on Rafay. Nobody cared for WP. So placing D1 lul vote on your scum buddy that is in no danger of getting lynched is nothing exceptional. Obviously he could be a town, but this act is really no indication of his allegiance. Can't argue with that, but you have to make some type of read and that's what I read as townie play.

Alright, so first, kudos to our mathematicians who have been calculating the possibility of lynching scum, but I'd refrain from using those percentages. They give an unfair representation where the scum seem to reside, which we can't actually back up by anything else, so we often refrain to other variables, like bias. Imagine a scenario, where Rafay and Finster Baby are the two suspected of being scum. Who gets lynched first? You probably know the answer. Instead, I'd like to look at the past actions of people, and that includes me. So why didn't I join Robert's wagon? First off, he is either scum or townie. Let's look at the two scenarios: I join Robert's wagon, he turns out to be scum. I get sussed for joining in late, not good for me. I join Robert's wagon, he turns out to be townie. I get sussed for aiding to lynch a townie, not good for me.From what I've seen, Robert is a smart man. He's been through quite a few mafia games... I don't think he'd play like this, I think there's something else going on. Though I would definitely like him to speak up because otherwise he's going to get mod killed anyway! I have slight trust for Kevin because what he did D1, which involved Wolfpacks, who we now know is scum. Let's analyze: at first, Kevin voted No Lynch. After some time, Wolfpacks joined in. What does Kevin do? Change his vote from No Lynch to Wolfpacks, kept that vote for the whole game. Tell me if that would seem logical to you if you were scum. So either he's an SK or a townie. I also am uncomfortable about the wagon on him - Brewers and Lyner both voted for Rafay, now they're both on Kevin. Suspicious? Probably not, but I'm keen to keep an eye on them. Though I'm not certain I have any scummy vibes from AbT, I want to put my vote forward and generate discussion from places other than the main wagon.

I must admit, I've been a bit occupied by work recently, but I'm perfectly caught up with everything. Also very glad that I found out how to post on mobile with the same style. For now, I'm tired as heck. I do actually have a statement ready, I'm just too lazy to write it out now. You'll get it first thing in the morning, though. And by my morning I mean around midnight for you US folks. Fun, isn't it? Actually, to keep things a bit more interesting, I'll just place my vote now. Vote -> Ali bin Turban

Did you know, that there was this statistics student who, when driving his car, would always accelerate hard before coming to any junction, whizz straight over it, then slow down again once he'd got over it? One day, he took a passenger, who was understandably unnerved by his driving style, and asked him why he went so fast over junctions. The statistics student replied, "Well, statistically speaking, you are far more likely to have an accident at a junction, so I just make sure that I spend less time there." Nice!

It wasn't completely without rationale, at least from my perspective. Quoting AbT here: ... which is what brewers took as logical reasoning and he made the decision to place his vote on one of the 3, which turned out to be Kevin. Lyner on the other hand is just notorious now for not giving any reason for voting, which is shady, but I kinda get it, since one of my dreams would be for people to understand you from just your vote, as they could gather enough information from the status quo and kind of get a picture of where your beliefs reside at any point in the game. But as good as it sounds in theory, that just doesn't apply in real life and especially not in mafia games. Hire a lawyer for all I care, just please, provide at least one sentence why you think your vote is right or what's the goal behind it and trust me when I say the suspicion on you will go down approximately 69%. Okay, it's pretty obvious I pulled that number out of thin air, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at here...

What does this mean? Reference to AbT, I think

Poor lad's been bullied so hard lately, just wanted to give him a chance

At first I thought losing a vig wasn't that bad, but now I realize he was the only killing town role I unvoted Rafay the day before, because as much as I was annoyed by his comments, he was seemingly active and I didn't have any other reason to keep my vote him. Others didn't seem compelling to deserve the burden of my vote either. Please do. Looking at the kills I assume that we have to thank SK for the mafia kill. Always suprising to see one during N1.

brewers- 905 LS - 605 Crozier Captain - 546 Ferastical - 481 Torres951 - 411 Eogrim - 240 King Cankles - 172 Rhizo - 166 murphpk - 163 Theophilos - 143 RR - 139 Hertt - 114 dagonslayer51 - 111 SealTeamPi - 103 AngelCruzdelaSant - 87 Tony Maurice- 85 MWilson - 84 Fermion- 81 GHAWS - 80 grats! Samudragupta - 49 George Jarvis - 46 captainjf - 38 And I'm out, PEACE legoboyvdlp - 24 Lachiton - 21 Mazuurek - 19 Jarcine1221 - 18 spike2 - 14 myrrdin Emrys - 13 MorganFreeman - 13 Yamuna - 13 theWanderer - 11 PenguiNation - 11 LegendOfStein - 9 JayMillz - 6 Leche06 - 6 Odbody - 5 Mandarijn - 4 Rolento - 4 Atliis - 4 Sithon - 3 Kaziocore - 3 sukmaindra9 - 3 1ceCream - 3 Colonel Medved - 3 Aztek - 3 Whitebeard - 2 SaveStation - 2 cmdrnchf - 2 Robert2424 - 1 Omahen - 1 Red General - 1 baldeagle92 -1

If you rule out yourself, then it makes 4/13... even better odds! Unless you're scum, of course

brewers- 905 LS - 605 Crozier Captain - 545 Ferastical - 480 Torres951 - 411 Eogrim - 240 King Cankles - 172 Rhizo - 166 murphpk - 163 Theophilos - 143 RR - 139 Hertt - 114 dagonslayer51 - 111 SealTeamPi - 103 AngelCruzdelaSant - 87 Tony Maurice- 85 MWilson - 84 Fermion- 81 GHAWS - 80 grats! Samudragupta - 49 George Jarvis - 46 captainjf - 38 And I'm out, PEACE legoboyvdlp - 24 Lachiton - 21 Mazuurek - 19 Jarcine1221 - 18 spike2 - 14 myrrdin Emrys - 13 MorganFreeman - 13 Yamuna - 13 theWanderer - 11 PenguiNation - 11 LegendOfStein - 9 JayMillz - 6 Leche06 - 6 Odbody - 5 Mandarijn - 4 Rolento - 4 Atliis - 4 Sithon - 3 Kaziocore - 3 sukmaindra9 - 3 1ceCream - 3 Colonel Medved - 3 Aztek - 3 Whitebeard - 2 SaveStation - 2 cmdrnchf - 2 Robert2424 - 1 Omahen - 1 Red General - 1 baldeagle92 -1

Some things you don't have to promise, you just do. The reason that lead us to this point is because Rafay has been inactive in numerous previous games and has built up a poor reputation. The only proof we need for him to change is not a promise, but more posting. Since Rafay has been fairly active in these past days, I'm willing to give him a chance to show that he can do better. Unvote This begs the question if our SK was aware of this strategy when first deciding to act. And can you always be certain the mafia will turn off the ability? What if they want to bet on the fact that the SK will indeed reverse the switches, so they leave everything on? And as a PR you never really know who flipped a switch, if you think about it. If your power was active, did both the SK and the Mafia flip the switch, or did neither?... and so forth. Oh boy, this game gonna be crazy.

brewers- 905 LS - 605 Crozier Captain - 544 Ferastical - 479 Torres951 - 411 Eogrim - 240 King Cankles - 172 Rhizo - 166 murphpk - 163 Theophilos - 143 RR - 139 Hertt - 114 dagonslayer51 - 111 SealTeamPi - 103 AngelCruzdelaSant - 87 Tony Maurice- 85 MWilson - 84 Fermion- 81 GHAWS - 80 grats! Samudragupta - 49 George Jarvis - 46 captainjf - 38 And I'm out, PEACE legoboyvdlp - 24 Lachiton - 21 Mazuurek - 19 Jarcine1221 - 18 spike2 - 14 myrrdin Emrys - 13 MorganFreeman - 13 Yamuna - 13 theWanderer - 11 PenguiNation - 11 LegendOfStein - 9 JayMillz - 6 Leche06 - 6 Odbody - 5 Mandarijn - 4 Rolento - 4 Atliis - 4 Sithon - 3 Kaziocore - 3 sukmaindra9 - 3 1ceCream - 3 Colonel Medved - 3 Aztek - 3 Whitebeard - 2 SaveStation - 2 cmdrnchf - 2 Robert2424 - 1 Omahen - 1 Red General - 1 baldeagle92 -1

I know right? At least being active is half the victory.

Loser Unvote Considering he might've just saved me from certain death he's a winner in my book I guess it's about the mentality, if anything. What makes him come back if he doesn't intend to contribute? Can't understand how anyone would enjoy that.

Ugh, I'm so pissed off! It just seems like Rafay intentionally joins every game just to be voted out in the first few days... to what? Hoard win counts? As in if Rafay is a certain alignment, he let's himself get voted off and let's everyone else do the hard work and if his alignment wins, he can be declared a "winner" although contributing nothing? Not cool, mate.

You ain't even trying! Vote -> Rafay

brewers- 905 LS - 605 Crozier Captain - 537 Ferastical - 478 Torres951 - 405 Eogrim - 240 King Cankles - 172 Rhizo - 166 murphpk - 163 Theophilos - 143 RR - 139 Hertt - 114 dagonslayer51 - 111 SealTeamPi - 103 AngelCruzdelaSant - 87 Tony Maurice- 85 MWilson - 84 Fermion- 81 GHAWS - 80 grats! Samudragupta - 49 George Jarvis - 46 captainjf - 38 And I'm out, PEACE legoboyvdlp - 24 Lachiton - 21 Mazuurek - 19 Jarcine1221 - 18 spike2 - 14 myrrdin Emrys - 13 MorganFreeman - 13 Yamuna - 13 theWanderer - 11 PenguiNation - 11 LegendOfStein - 9 JayMillz - 6 Leche06 - 6 Odbody - 5 Mandarijn - 4 Rolento - 4 Atliis - 4 Sithon - 3 Kaziocore - 3 sukmaindra9 - 3 1ceCream - 3 Colonel Medved - 3 Aztek - 3 Whitebeard - 2 SaveStation - 2 cmdrnchf - 2 Robert2424 - 1 Omahen - 1 Red General - 1 baldeagle92 -1

Never tell me the odds... also please tell me this is meant with humour, cause otherwise I don't wanna believe you're like, actually trying to present a town-read for Torres on D1... You're active enough to make me suspicious, so that must tell you how active you've been, TW Never hurts to have more posts floating around! Unless of course you're trying to brainwash everyone, then it ain't fine...

Unvote Don't feel like supporting any grudges y'all have, it's getting kinda old too, at least for me. Maybe I'm getting old? Who knows. Keep talking smack tho, so I can jump on anyone that seems suspicious! Actually, vote whomever, not like I care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯