If only Theo was here!

Hiya all, I was away till yesterday evening and had to catch-up with other stuff first. I'll read this in about an hour or so and post more.

Excellent, theo!

@ Narsis

 

It's like if I joined the US army a year after the two atomic bombs were dropped in Japan in 1945 and WW2 ended. I am not directly and personally responsible for dropping the bomb - that is, I did not order it, I was not the pilot of the plane(s) who dropped the bombs, etc. "I" (that is, the country I represent) dropped that bomb.

 

In the same way, "we" the vigs were said to have "placed" the button and box in the lobby by our role PM's. We were not allowed to discuss or clarify it by the mod. In that sense, we are responsible. However, we didn't put it there insofar as we didn't give a mod command Set: Trap.

 

Does that make any sense?

 

ok i wasn't aware of that possibility. so what was the purpose of the trap then? or did it not say?

 

@ccabal: that assumes that Theo, AKC, and that other possible vig are telling the truth. i for one think that AKC is lying. and it seems that Theo has lied as well about his night actions at least once. dont see why he would, except to avoid suspicion...which is a very mafia thing to do.

Or to cover the fact that he may be a vig. or this could all be a trick and those two are mafia, but I am firmly suspcious of you narsis, because usually em has a good hunch on things. But then again he could be lying too... Tis why I am just searching a body tonight xD....

The purpose was unclear.

 

Theo has a unique strategy, fellas.

Or to cover the fact that he may be a vig. or this could all be a trick and those two are mafia, but I am firmly suspcious of you narsis, because usually em has a good hunch on things. But then again he could be lying too... Tis why I am just searching a body tonight xD....

 

EM has been wrong many times in previous games when he claimed to be right, even as a townie.

BTW, I think it's cool that activity is peaking right now.

If you were not aware narsis, yet the vigs are aware.. how can you claim to be a vig?

If you were not aware narsis, yet the vigs are aware.. how can you claim to be a vig?

 

because i dont think it was AKC/Theo vigs that "placed" the trap. i think it's AKC/Theo scum that did.

@ccabal: that assumes that Theo, AKC, and that other possible vig are telling the truth. i for one think that AKC is lying. and it seems that Theo has lied as well about his night actions at least once. dont see why he would, except to avoid suspicion...which is a very mafia thing to do.

 

If AKC and Theo are mafia, then yes, they can still lie about being vigs and back eachother. But then, your real vigilante partners should come out of hiding and counterclaim.

If Narsis was a real vig, he would have seen the role PM Theo and I had and he would have known about the script basically forcing us as the real vigs to set the trap.

 

BTW, is it even possible to hurt yourself?

If AKC and Theo are mafia, then yes, they can still lie about being vigs and back eachother. But then, your real vigilante partners should come out of hiding and counterclaim.

 

why should they come out an counterclaim though? that'd only result in telling the mafia who the other vigs are. and how would we benefit from that? it's not going to change the fact that it's my/our word against theirs.

If Narsis was a real vig, he would have seen the role PM Theo and I had and he would have known about the script basically forcing us as the real vigs to set the trap.

 

BTW, is it even possible to hurt yourself?

 

except you are scum that got that pm. and why would a vig get a copy of the scum role pm?

BTW, I think it's cool that activity is peaking right now.

 

and yet you wanted to end the day early before discussion started going...

i also find it interesting that two of the top(or at least among my top) suspects from before today have both claimed to be vigs in support of each other...

That's not interesting...that's convenient for you.

 

I wanted to end the day early but I didn't anticipated us going through three pages worth of posts in two days.

That's not interesting...that's convenient for you.

 

I wanted to end the day early but I didn't anticipated us going through three pages worth of posts in two days.

 

or you were worried that discussion would pick up and you'd get caught.

I wasn't worried...you have more to lose than I do.

 

(I am heavily...ahem...resisting pun-ch lines...ahem... about my waist line on having more to lose. LOL! (But actually, my current location is allowing me to get lots of walks so I'm actually keeping in shape.))

Be nice if we heard theos side of this...

Theo posted that he needed an hour to read up and catch up a good 90 minutes ago. Should be any time now.

Day 1

 

Entrance: Kaziocore, Nerau, Narsis

 

Main Lobby: Chaoshawk, Persephone, 19theSpecOps

 

Kitchen: Curufinwe, Theophilos, AKCPLUTO

 

Bed Room: ccabal86, KevinH, Kasabian

 

 

I picked Theo because Curufinwe was attacked N1. Only Theo or AKC could have done it. AKC was injured by the chandelier. I deduced that AKC was not scum because of that leaving Theo as the mafia.

 

Narsis has to be the other mafia because he was the only one not injured meaning he must have been the one who cut the rope holding the chandelier up. Everyone else was injured so who else could it have been?

 

Yes but I was not in the room so I couldn't have been wounded. Had I been in the same room, I'd had been wounded as well as I would have been helping AKC.

 

I have to agree, with this. It makes it extremely unlikely that he isn't mafia, as he should have received at least some damage if he was a townie.

 

Woah, wait a minute AKCPLUTO, why do you think Curufinwe is mafia? Just because he has a weapon?

 

On day 1, I'm pretty sure he searched the kitchen, and probably found a knife. I mean, a kitchen has to have knives, right? Also, he triggered the booby trap, wich he probably wouldn't have done if he was mafia. I'm pretty sure Curu is innocent, we have to go after Narsis.

 

About the N1 actions by my self and AKC. The game started with us setting the trap for scum (which makes it certain that Mafia didn't know about it imo. Which made imo Curu at least a bit suspicious, given we had no good leads one way or the other. Having considered the options with AKC, we decided to search and attack. Me being the attacker as I started the game with a weapon as every proper vigilante would.

 

You remember at the start, the box? I got damaged by it? Guess what damaged me, the knife. Just so you know where that came from. Held it close to my chest till someone was dead, so I would not be a prime target for the mafia.

 

Lets go forward from here. How do we know Narsis is telling the truth??

 

He isn't he is claiming a role he can't possibly have.

 

@AKC: if Theo attacked Curu night 1...well why would he do that if he wasn't mafia? and what makes you think that a mafia couldn't have attacked night 1 and then just searched the rest of the game?

 

Because Theo considered some action better than no action, if for nothing else to get some sort of response from the others, townies and scum.

why should they come out an counterclaim though? that'd only result in telling the mafia who the other vigs are. and how would we benefit from that? it's not going to change the fact that it's my/our word against theirs.

 

Like I said at the beginning of this game, this is not traditional Mafia, and thus telling everyone who the vigs are would only benefit the town. Since there is no insta-lynch, it would make figuring out who the scum are a lot easier.

 

So why are you so hesitant to reveal your partners then?

CCabal86, heya, if someone has a medkit, they could just heal an injured vig, right?

I wasn't worried...you have more to lose than I do.

 

(I am heavily...ahem...resisting pun-ch lines...ahem... about my waist line on having more to lose. LOL! (But actually, my current location is allowing me to get lots of walks so I'm actually keeping in shape.))

 

oh we both have quite a lot to lose. if i die then that's one vig down, and not just a vig: a vig suspected of being mafia. which means that pretty much everything i've been saying is going to be ignored allowing you and your buddies to roam free. sure my vig buddies would be suspicious of you and try to kill you...but if the townies believe you it'd be difficult to do so without having huge amounts of suspicion put on them and the possibility of being wrongly lynched. not to mention the fact that the chandelier damage will wear away at a lot of players health and the potential for more AOE or DOT attacks...it would very likely end in a scum win.

 

you also as scum have lots to lose. you've outed at least one partner so far meaning that if you are indeed caught in this trap and the town believes me...well that's two scum gone just like that. and if CH was also mafia, then the town has just won the game.