I've been reading and following up on the Occupy Movement. It is crazy but I feel its needed. I think it's about time something starts happening....... Whats your guy's opinions?? Heres the wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street

It's a fantastic how to list on how to have an ineffective protest while coming across as a bunch of angsty teenagers.

An interesting movement.

Edited October 26, 201115 yr by Shahenshah

My very short serious opinion.

 

It’s necessary. A lot of people are hurting. Lots of things wrong that needs fixing. As much as they are trying to keep the movement open to ideas, it is still too limited in scope because of the focus on Wall Street and the 1%. Many of the protesters are making demands with limited knowledge and are not willing to listen or keep an open mind. There is also the possibility that this is symptom of a new revolution we are in the middle of similar to what happened during the industrial revolution. If done right and peacefully, the generations following may end up much better off.

I mostly agree with Scytale here, even though the movement isn't backed up by any particular ideology, and misplaces some things (for instance, it's not really the 1% that's the problem - that's mostly propaganda. It's a higher percentage, but the problem is deeper within the system). Globalized capitalism needs maintenance and this might be the start of something.

it doesn't really matter what happens, because no government pays attention to a peaceful protest unless it feels it's in its interest to. If it turns violent then the general population will turn their backs on it in favour of the status quo. Yes we need change, but we will only get change if those in power want it... Let's be honest, that's not likely to happen untill the majority of the population demand it outright.

Yes we need change, but we will only get change if those in power want it..

Who is the source of power..people or lobbyists backed by corporate and foreign money?

I think it is necessarily and won't go away until significant changes are made. Most of these people have barely any money, no job, students with degrees straight out of college 24k in debt with nobody hiring. They're pissed. This is the working class that America hasn't seen in a while. Some got frustrated with hoping things got better by listening to politicians and decided to act. That action (inspired by the Arab Spring) has taken hold across America and across the world. I 100% agree with them. My only qualm is that I wish they would get a bit more organized.

All very good points!! You guys think it'll get organized any time soon?

I think it is necessarily and won't go away until significant changes are made. Most of these people have barely any money, no job, students with degrees straight out of college 24k in debt with nobody hiring. They're pissed. This is the working class that America hasn't seen in a while. Some got frustrated with hoping things got better by listening to politicians and decided to act. That action (inspired by the Arab Spring) has taken hold across America and across the world. I 100% agree with them. My only qualm is that I wish they would get a bit more organized.

 

 

I actually haven't paid too much attention to this movement, too many other things going on with work and all but did want to make a comment on this.

 

Out of the little bit I did watch, one part stuck out to me. They were interviewing the "typical" college student who was there protesting because he was a recent college grad unable to find a job and blaming the 1% for it. Now I am concerned with the high unemployment because I will soon be retiring from my current job and moving onto a new job. So not being able to find a job does concern me. As I was watching the interview I was wondering what his degree was in, Since I have a AAS in Civil Engineering and am almost complete with a BA in Business Administration, I was wondering how difficult I was going to have it.

 

Then they showed that he had a Degree in English. WTF...English??? Exactly what carrer field does that feed into?? Education?? He should have had no problem getting a job in education, there are shortages in teachers all over the place...if he also got his teaching certificate...and some places may not even require that (IDK, just assuming that with the shortage of teachers you can start and work on it as you go...like I said IDK) But seriously, a degree in English.... I am sorry that you wasted your time in college drinking and smoking dope with occasional classes thrown in to get a degree that you can't use...but that is no one's fault but your own.

 

Back when I went to school, you had a career feild in mind when you started and you got a degree that supported that field, but also back then as long as you had a degree you could get a job even if it wasn't in that field. Well, now there is this thing called a recession or depression or whatever the heck they want to call it...this period of extremely high unemployment...an unemployment rate that can partly contribute it's recent drop to people giving up looking for work and falling off the unemployed rolls. In this time where there are litterally 200 or more people showing up for every job...if you don't have a degree for that field you are not getting a job, period. Employers can afford to be picky because, well they have a lot to choose from.

 

And I wonder just how typical he is, are most of the protesters, these college grads with no job prospects just like him...with English, history, Political Science, etc degrees, degrees that go pretty much into one narrow field. Are they all like that?? and just don't want to work at the jobs their degree leads to??

 

I just wonder exactly how much of the "injustices" they are protesting are actually outcomes due to their own choices and today's attitude of "it's not my fault...it's theirs"

 

 

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To comment on some of the rant ^, in California there is a major surplus of teachers with 100's applying to one position. Also I saw similar interview with a man who had a degree in economics (irony hurts). Along with that many Opwallst people around the world are already working or 30+ who also want to voice their opinions.

 

Edit: I guess if he wanted to go overseas Dubai and many other countries are looking for Eng. Teachers.

Edited October 27, 201115 yr by Werner Von Bruan

To comment on some of the rant ^, in California there is a major surplus of teachers with 100's applying to one position. Also I saw similar interview with a man who had a degree in economics (irony hurts). Along with that many Opwallst people around the world are already working or 30+ who also want to voice their opinions.

 

Edit: I guess if he wanted to go overseas Dubai and many other countries are looking for Eng. Teachers.

 

 

Ok, I get that there are areas that have a surplus...but there are areas that are hurting too. One can always go where there is work.

 

and..the irony..lol

I actually haven't paid too much attention to this movement, too many other things going on with work and all but did want to make a comment on this.

 

Out of the little bit I did watch, one part stuck out to me. They were interviewing the "typical" college student who was there protesting because he was a recent college grad unable to find a job and blaming the 1% for it. Now I am concerned with the high unemployment because I will soon be retiring from my current job and moving onto a new job. So not being able to find a job does concern me. As I was watching the interview I was wondering what his degree was in, Since I have a AAS in Civil Engineering and am almost complete with a BA in Business Administration, I was wondering how difficult I was going to have it.

 

Then they showed that he had a Degree in English. WTF...English??? Exactly what carrer field does that feed into?? Education?? He should have had no problem getting a job in education, there are shortages in teachers all over the place...if he also got his teaching certificate...and some places may not even require that (IDK, just assuming that with the shortage of teachers you can start and work on it as you go...like I said IDK) But seriously, a degree in English.... I am sorry that you wasted your time in college drinking and smoking dope with occasional classes thrown in to get a degree that you can't use...but that is no one's fault but your own.

 

Back when I went to school, you had a career feild in mind when you started and you got a degree that supported that field, but also back then as long as you had a degree you could get a job even if it wasn't in that field. Well, now there is this thing called a recession or depression or whatever the heck they want to call it...this period of extremely high unemployment...an unemployment rate that can partly contribute it's recent drop to people giving up looking for work and falling off the unemployed rolls. In this time where there are litterally 200 or more people showing up for every job...if you don't have a degree for that field you are not getting a job, period. Employers can afford to be picky because, well they have a lot to choose from.

 

And I wonder just how typical he is, are most of the protesters, these college grads with no job prospects just like him...with English, history, Political Science, etc degrees, degrees that go pretty much into one narrow field. Are they all like that?? and just don't want to work at the jobs their degree leads to??

 

I just wonder exactly how much of the "injustices" they are protesting are actually outcomes due to their own choices and today's attitude of "it's not my fault...it's theirs"

 

 

end rant

 

 

A good chunk of it, though the current system basically leads people to those choices by the nose. The whole "YOU NEED A DEGREE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND IT WILL EARN YOU A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IF YOU GET ONE." **** schools push, combined with the cost of tuition and how easy it is to get student loans doesn't really help anyone.

Us high school students are pushed to go to college otherwise we won't get anywhere. It is semi-true, without a college degree, you are kind of stuck with unreliable and crappy jobs (unless you go into a trade). On your note Kenny,

 

I want to be a History Teacher. I plan to go to college to get my degree is Education and History. Thing is, there may be a shortage of teachers (not anywhere near me), but they are only hiring those straight out of college because they make **** starting. If my mom (teaching for 20+ years) got laid off/etc then she would be ****ed. Nobody would hire her. No matter how great a teacher is, she makes too much money (which really isn't that much compared to other jobs). The problem with the education system is that it is too focused on testing and salaries than the student's education. I have first hand experience of this as im still in HS. While I have almost perfect grades and rank in the top 10% of my class of 400 with a 3.7 GPA, Its all tests and bull****. Ask any teacher, and they will tell you the same.

 

Not really ranting, just putting it out there.

 

Also, i want to be a teacher so I can help kids. Most teachers are like this, and they're getting **** on.

 

cheers

Us high school students are pushed to go to college otherwise we won't get anywhere. It is semi-true, without a college degree, you are kind of stuck with unreliable and crappy jobs (unless you go into a trade). On your note Kenny,

 

I want to be a History Teacher. I plan to go to college to get my degree is Education and History. ]Thing is, there may be a shortage of teachers (not anywhere near me), but they are only hiring those straight out of college because they make **** starting. If my mom (teaching for 20+ years) got laid off/etc then she would be ****ed. Nobody would hire her. No matter how great a teacher is, she makes too much money (which really isn't that much compared to other jobs). The problem with the education system is that it is too focused on testing and salaries than the student's education. I have first hand experience of this as im still in HS. While I have almost perfect grades and rank in the top 10% of my class of 400 with a 3.7 GPA, Its all tests and bull****. Ask any teacher, and they will tell you the same.

 

Not really ranting, just putting it out there.

 

Also, i want to be a teacher so I can help kids. Most teachers are like this, and they're getting **** on.

 

cheers

 

And with a college degree you still end up with an unreliable and crappy job, except now you end up with 20k-60k in debt that won't go away until you pay it off or die. While some of that is caused by the economy, more is caused by people getting degrees that qualify them for nothing but more education, degrees that qualify them to work in fields that have way more workers then jobs, or in the case of the tech industry, dumbasses who think they should be making a 6 figure salary right out of college, because that's what they see Google/Microsoft/etc paying.

Edited October 27, 201115 yr by Rand0m her0

Also this should probably get moved to mole's

And with a college degree you still end up with an unreliable and crappy job, except now you end up with 20k-60k in debt that won't go away until you pay it off or die. While some of that is caused by the economy, more is caused by people getting degrees that qualify them for nothing but more education, degrees that qualify them to work in fields that have way more workers then jobs, or in the case of the tech industry, dumbasses who think they should be making a 6 figure salary right out of college, because that's what they see Google/Microsoft/etc paying.

That always got me pissed off and made me laugh a lot at the same time especially during the late 90's tech boom. There were people getting into the tech field that had no right to be. They just messed things up for those that actually knew what they were doing. So many people got into the tech field figuring they could get an easy 6 figure salary for the rest of their life not realizing they first have to earn it and continue to learn and adapt because in six months, everything they knew is old.

 

DZ, it's great you want to be a teacher for the sakes of teaching. I believe things will be changing in the US for teachers that may benefit you by the time you are ready to take your first job but will be very painful for those currently in the system. States like NY are changing like that old first in first out system to merit based. Good changes like these will help our education system and help the teachers gain some respect from the public. My daughter also wants to be a teacher (against everyone's advice) because she wants to genuinely teach and I wish her luck. Worst case, if you have too much problems finding a good teaching job, teachers are held in high respect in Asian nations. They tend to be desperate for good English teachers especially ones from the US. Something to consider.

Us high school students are pushed to go to college otherwise we won't get anywhere. It is semi-true, without a college degree, you are kind of stuck with unreliable and crappy jobs (unless you go into a trade). On your note Kenny,

 

I want to be a History Teacher. I plan to go to college to get my degree is Education and History. Thing is, there may be a shortage of teachers (not anywhere near me), but they are only hiring those straight out of college because they make **** starting. If my mom (teaching for 20+ years) got laid off/etc then she would be ****ed. Nobody would hire her. No matter how great a teacher is, she makes too much money (which really isn't that much compared to other jobs). The problem with the education system is that it is too focused on testing and salaries than the student's education. I have first hand experience of this as im still in HS. While I have almost perfect grades and rank in the top 10% of my class of 400 with a 3.7 GPA, Its all tests and bull****. Ask any teacher, and they will tell you the same.

 

Not really ranting, just putting it out there.

 

Also, i want to be a teacher so I can help kids. Most teachers are like this, and they're getting **** on.

 

cheers

 

I agree with you 100%, teachers as a whole do not get paid enough, and when they can find a younger, cheaper teacher to replace an older one, they do...they really don't have the money to do otherwise. That reflects a lot on the fact we have way to many administrators in relation to teachers. And they get paid more and protect their jobs first. In order to fix the education system, we would have to eliminate a lot of jobs...administrator jobs and send them back to the classroom or just eliminate them (I got to know the teachers union rep for the HS I was responsible for as a US Army Recruiter a lot of that info comes from him)

 

One thing to possibly look for as far as a teaching job... Overseas with DODEA...they are always looking for teachers, the pay is pretty good (last time I checked) and it is an easy way to get to see Europe.

 

@ Random.. yeah that is another big chunk... most people coming out of college have no true idea what their starting salary should be. They look at that executive job and feel that is where they should start and when they are offered the entry level position...they decline. Can't be CEO without sorting the mail or making the coffee first.

Who is the source of power..people or lobbyists backed by corporate and foreign money?

 

Depends greatly, here probably the lobbyists backed by corporate, but all three of them have a firm grip on the throat of government!

I agree with you 100%, teachers as a whole do not get paid enough, and when they can find a younger, cheaper teacher to replace an older one, they do...they really don't have the money to do otherwise. That reflects a lot on the fact we have way to many administrators in relation to teachers. And they get paid more and protect their jobs first. In order to fix the education system, we would have to eliminate a lot of jobs...administrator jobs and send them back to the classroom or just eliminate them (I got to know the teachers union rep for the HS I was responsible for as a US Army Recruiter a lot of that info comes from him)

 

One thing to possibly look for as far as a teaching job... Overseas with DODEA...they are always looking for teachers, the pay is pretty good (last time I checked) and it is an easy way to get to see Europe.

 

@ Random.. yeah that is another big chunk... most people coming out of college have no true idea what their starting salary should be. They look at that executive job and feel that is where they should start and when they are offered the entry level position...they decline. Can't be CEO without sorting the mail or making the coffee first.

 

Not so much. Given how easy it's been for a teacher to earn tenure in most places, firing one is damn near impossible. As in they can outright commit a felony and it still takes months of hearings to sack them, and they'll be paid during the process. A lot of boards don't even bother firing teachers, it's easier and often cheaper for them to just keep paying their salary till they retire.

Not so much. Given how easy it's been for a teacher to earn tenure in most places, firing one is damn near impossible. As in they can outright commit a felony and it still takes months of hearings to sack them, and they'll be paid during the process. A lot of boards don't even bother firing teachers, it's easier and often cheaper for them to just keep paying their salary till they retire.

That's what I've seen as well. I believe that one of the paths to a better salary and respect for teachers is to allow the system to remove the teachers that either should not be there or those that were good but no longer able to teach. I've seen teachers that are still in the system just because they have been in there so long. That first in last out needs to be removed. We lose so many talented new graduates that truly want to teach because of this FILO rule.