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[d3mon]

Imho, if at this time the seer can confirm two townies then he should roleclaim.

[Xx Karl xX]

Xx Karl xX, Vanilla Townie, was found dead

I had the suspicion this would happen, the scum must be scared of my mad skillz. hopefully you guys can get that last scum

[KevinH]

Definitely Alive

• Alternate_Tree
• KevinH
• d3mon
• cam177

Definitely Dead
Imran Ehsan, Town Cop, was found dead on NIGHT 1
Rafay, Werewolf, was lynched on DAY 2
Xx Karl xX, Vanilla Townie, was found dead on NIGHT 2

This is good news.

There's a werewolf and a seer still alive.
I'm a vanilla townie. I like Alternate_Tree's analysis so he gets townie points.

I'm inclined to lynch now; even with another investigation it will be a matter of guessing whom to trust.

[cam177]

This is good news.

There's a werewolf and a seer still alive.
I'm a vanilla townie. I like Alternate_Tree's analysis so he gets townie points.

I'm inclined to lynch now; even with another investigation it will be a matter of guessing whom to trust.

To lynch now isn't a good idea unless the seer has information we can use we would be lynching completely in the dark which isnt good now we have 3 against 1 so 4 people. if we lynch and it is wrong we lose because that gives the Wolf a a 1v1 with the wolf winning. So unless the seer has information he wants to give up to help us i said No:Lynch

[cam177]

To lynch now isn't a good idea unless the seer has information we can use we would be lynching completely in the dark which isnt good now we have 3 against 1 so 4 people. if we lynch and it is wrong we lose because that gives the Wolf a a 1v1 with the wolf winning. So unless the seer has information he wants to give up to help us i say No:Lynch.

Minor edit to my above post

[Kaziocore]

No Lynch (1): cam177

Not Voting (3): Alternate_Tree, d3mon, KevinH

Deadline: Thursday, 11th of October

Votes needed to lynch: 3
Votes needed on deadline: 2

Edited by Kaziocore, 05 October 2012 - 12:35 PM.

[Alternate_Tree]

I have to agree with cam177, the seer doesn't seem to have enough info to definitively declare someone as the wolf, and if we lynch wrong the game is lost. The worst that can happen if we wait a day is the seer is lynched and it comes down to a guessing game of the last 3 people, but if we mislynch today we definitely lose.

Vote: No lynch

[KevinH]

From my perspective as a vanilla townie, the odds are about the same whether I lynch today or tomorrow.

The situation is such that the one remaining scum has to get one townie to agree with him and the then the scum wins.

Tomorrow, at best, there will be a seer with knowledge that someone is surely townie or surely werewolf.
There will also be a werewolf that will claim to be a seer. I won't know whom to trust.

The fact that the seer will gain that knowledge overnight doesn't seem to matter.

The other vanilla townie is in the same position as me.

However, it would be better for the town to have the seer lynching with confidence so I am going to go with the no-lynch today.

Before I vote, let me point the strongest finger of suspicion at D3mon.

Yesterday's vote had one player that didn't for the scum Rafay.

Rafay (4): Xx Karl xX, KevinH, Alternate_Tree, cam177
Alternate_Tree (1): d3mon

Not Voting (1): Rafay

If I survive the night, I will vote for D3mon.

If I get night-killed, I strongly encourage the two remaining townies to vote for D3mon.
No matter what is said from this point forward, it will be a matter of taking a chance on whom to trust.
The voting pattern clearly points to D3mon as scum. Don't let eloquent words sway you from the facts.

Vote: No Lynch

[Kaziocore]

No Lynch (3): cam177, Alternate_Tree, KevinH

Not Voting (1): d3mon

Deadline: Thursday, 11th of October

Votes needed to lynch: 3
Votes needed on deadline: 2

IT IS NOW NIGHT THREE.
NIGHT ACTIONS TO ME BY SUNDAY.

[Kaziocore]

Alternate_Tree, Town Seer, was found dead

DAY 4 starts
Deadline: Sunday, 14th of October at exactly the same time I posted this

Votes needed to lynch: 2
Votes needed during deadline: 1

Edited by Kaziocore, 06 October 2012 - 03:59 PM.

[Alternate_Tree]

Well poop on it, good luck townies

[d3mon]

So its left to me KevinH and Cam177.

Knowing that KevinH has already decided to lynch me, I guess the game is lost.. (unless he is the other werewolf)

Anyhow, because I might not get a chance to explain my vote later and because I owe it to the other surviving townie, here is my explaination

I am always suspicious of any bandwagon, and what I saw was a lynch that could have finished the game for the town and a lot of votes piling on very quickly (3-4 hrs), moreover there was very little discussion or reason behind why Rafay was chosen.. We did get lucky and yes that left me sticking out like a sore thumb, but as a townie, I was only trying to avert an action that could have lost the game for the town, specially when I thought we still had a good chance that the seer was the active cop role in the game.

[KevinH]

While D3mon's explanation is certainly plausible, I can't think of Cam177 as more suspicious.

I'll place my vote and see what happens.

Vote: D3mon

[cam177]

So its left to me KevinH and Cam177.

Knowing that KevinH has already decided to lynch me, I guess the game is lost.. (unless he is the other werewolf)

Anyhow, because I might not get a chance to explain my vote later and because I owe it to the other surviving townie, here is my explaination

I am always suspicious of any bandwagon, and what I saw was a lynch that could have finished the game for the town and a lot of votes piling on very quickly (3-4 hrs), moreover there was very little discussion or reason behind why Rafay was chosen.. We did get lucky and yes that left me sticking out like a sore thumb, but as a townie, I was only trying to avert an action that could have lost the game for the town, specially when I thought we still had a good chance that the seer was the active cop role in the game.

While what you said makes perfect sense if there hadnt of been a vote that would of screwed us either way

While D3mon's explanation is certainly plausible, I can't think of Cam177 as more suspicious.

I'll place my vote and see what happens.

Vote: D3mon

i agree with the above statement so Vote: D3mon

[d3mon]

Well played KevinH/cam177 (whoever is the werewolf)..

It doesn't matter but

Vote:cam177

[Kaziocore]

d3mon (2): KevinH, cam177

Not Voting (1): d3mon

Deadline: Sunday, 14th of October

Votes needed to lynch: 2
Votes needed during deadline: 1

d3mon, Vanilla Townie, was lynched

WEREWOLVES WIN

Role Assignment

Winners
Rafay - Werewolf
cam177 - Werewolf

Losers
Imran Ehsan - Town Cop
Alternate_Tree - Town Seer
KevinH - Vanilla Townie
Xx Karl xX - Vanilla Townie
d3mon - Vanilla Townie

Summary of Events

Night 1:
Rafay night killed Imran Ehsan
Alternate_Tree investigated Rafay (Werewolf)

Day 1
No Lynch

Day 2
Rafay Lynched

Night 2
cam177 night killed Xx Karl xX
Alternate_Tree investigated d3mon (Not Werewolf)

Day 3
No Lynch

Night 3
cam177 night killed Alternate_Tree
Alternate_Tree investigated KevinH (Not Werewolf)

Day 4
d3mon Lynched
Werewolves Won

Thoughts

• This setup was created to discourage the strategy called "Follow the Cop" but for some reason you guys still did it. You basically wasted one chance to lynch and hunt for scum.
• There was no actual scum hunting happened throughout the game. Everyone just voted randomly. Mafia is all about scum hunting and analyzing posts.....
• It was a terrible decision to no lynch on Day 3. Everyone hastily voted to end the day. Alternate_Tree already investigated 2/4 people. I think it was about time to come out.
  I think it was possible to lynch cam177 if actual scum hunting was done. For example on day 1, both Rafay and cam177 tried to confuse town by speculating a ridiculous
  game mechanics even though it's not included in the setup.
  
  I think Alternate_Tree was too optimistic that he will be night killed but it did happen so the town was screwed. Now if Alternate_Tree was not night killed, it's still
  not a sure win for the town. Alternate_Tree should be ready for any counter claims by cam177. So it's not as simple as it looks.
• It was a terrible decision by KevinH to vote immediately d3mon without even waiting for cam177's reaction or post.
  You don't vote immediately when it's LYLO or MYLO
  This game shouldn't devolve to a simple coin toss to determine who to vote. That's why you need to analyze posts and stuff like that.

Edited by Kaziocore, 07 October 2012 - 08:31 AM.

[Imran Ehsan]

lol..wow..if Alternate_Tree investigated d3mon and new he was a townie, he should have role claimed and saved him. Specially when kevinh had already mentioned he would vote for d3mon the next day.

[cam177]

d3mon, Vanilla Townie, was lynched

WEREWOLVES WIN

Role Assignment

Winners
Rafay - Werewolf
cam177 - Werewolf

Losers
Imran Ehsan - Town Cop
Alternate_Tree - Town Seer
KevinH - Vanilla Townie
Xx Karl xX - Vanilla Townie
d3mon - Vanilla Townie

Summary of Events

Night 1:
Rafay night killed Imran Ehsan
Alternate_Tree investigated Rafay (Werewolf)

Day 1
No Lynch

Day 2
Rafay Lynched

Night 2
cam177 night killed Xx Karl xX
Alternate_Tree investigated d3mon (Not Werewolf)

Day 3
No Lynch

Night 3
cam177 night killed Alternate_Tree
Alternate_Tree investigated KevinH (Not Werewolf)

Day 4
d3mon Lynched
Werewolves Won

Thoughts

• This setup was created to discourage the strategy called "Follow the Cop" but for some reason you guys still did it. You basically wasted one chance to lynch and hunt for scum.
• There was no actual scum hunting happened throughout the game. Everyone just voted randomly. Mafia is all about scum hunting and analyzing posts.....
• It was a terrible decision to no lynch on Day 3. Everyone hastily voted to end the day. Alternate_Tree already investigated 2/4 people. I think it was about time to come out.
  I think it was possible to lynch cam177 if actual scum hunting was done. For example on day 1, both Rafay and cam177 tried to confuse town by speculating a ridiculous
  game mechanics even though it's not included in the setup.
  
  I think Alternate_Tree was too optimistic that he will be night killed but it did happen so the town was screwed. Now if Alternate_Tree was not night killed, it's still
  not a sure win for the town. Alternate_Tree should be ready for any counter claims by cam177. So it's not as simple as it looks.
• It was a terrible decision by KevinH to vote immediately d3mon without even waiting for cam177's reaction or post.
  You don't vote immediately when it's LYLO or MYLO
  This game shouldn't devolve to a simple coin toss to determine who to vote. That's why you need to analyze posts and stuff like that.

you're actually going to laugh at this but for that one part right there i actually thought there may have been 2 anti town teams lol actually i even thought i was Mafia not wolf LOL overall id say you're pretty right. I did notice a trend in how you did your game all thanks to Kevins Powerball idea; just wasnt sure if i was right until i killed Karl then i knew that you picked from how we all joined and did 1 normal 2 special towns 2 Normal town and 2 Wolves in that exact order.

Edited by cam177, 07 October 2012 - 08:51 AM.

[KevinH]

Well-played.

I didn't see anything suspicious in Cam177's play.

The last day would have been finger-pointing and essentially a coin toss in the end regardless.

I thought the set-up was very clever. Good job on that!

[Rafay]

Another win. My God I'm the fastest rising star in game's history.

Kaz can you edit the stats page???