might as well start a topic in here since this forum is empty

 

so what do you guys think of the election this November?

 

I'm not really that into it since it's between a weird old rich white guy and another guy that's just plain stupid. but i guess if i had to choose one i'd go with Romney since i'm not a big fan of what Obama's doing

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax."

The entire western world is watching in awe as the US hold their elections. It is inconceivable that so many people vote for Romney, voting against their own interests. It is actually a frightening thought that Romney might get into office for the rest of the world.

 

I'm from Europe and hardly anyone here supports Romney, he is a person out of touch with reality and makes statements that are considered crazy here.

 

I'll just keep this short as debating politics is pointless, but voting for Romney is voting against your own interests. He's only there for the 1% and I can guarantee that no one on this forum is part of that.

 

e: Alliance falling apart in 3, 2, 1...

 

Discussing RL politics here is probably a bad idea, why not have a RL current events? That way you have maybe a single topic for the elections, an entire subforum is probably to much.

Edited September 24, 201214 yr by Windblade

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax."

The entire western world is watching in awe as the US hold their elections. It is inconceivable that so many people vote for Romney, voting against their own interests. It is actually a frightening thought that Romney might get into office for the rest of the world.

 

I'm from Europe and hardly anyone here supports Romney, he is a person out of touch with reality and makes statements that are considered crazy here.

 

I'll just keep this short as debating politics is pointless, but voting for Romney is voting against your own interests. He's only there for the 1% and I can guarantee that no one on this forum is part of that.

 

e: Alliance falling apart in 3, 2, 1...

 

Discussing RL politics here is probably a bad idea, why not have a RL current events? That way you have maybe a single topic for the elections, an entire subforum is probably to much.

 

One of the main problems with American politics IMO is that it doesn't matter which party you're from, the sheer cost of running for any office means that you are either in the "1%", or have had so much money given to you by specific sectors that it's impossible for them to be considered independent.

 

As suggested the forum title has been adjusted.

People in america believe in the "american dream" so hard that they are willing to over-tax themselfs so that when they do get rich they pay **** all. Its just there mentality, no need for us europeans t start secon guessing that mentality as they find our "socialism" as strange.

How much support does Romney has from neocons?

Edited September 25, 201214 yr by Shahenshah

 

It's between a weird old rich white guy and another guy that's just plain stupid.

 

See now you have me confused it's like you're talking about the same person, as a European I can only laugh at people who vote Republican.

It's seems most of them do so out of ignorance of things that are unknown to them, the Republican party feeds on this ignorance and produce idiot retarded people like Bush and Romney and people who think women have a built-in anti rape system.

Fox news probably have 100's of more examples of how stupid Republicans can be as well as their supporters.

 

How any sane person can even think about voting for a party that represents that ignorance is beyond me.

 

 

There again both of the parties are doing the work of the corporations so it doesn't make a difference to who gets in.

The economy will get better when it gets better, it won't be down to the president's, it will be down to the bankers.

Taking all that in to consideration, Romney is bad choice of president if you're not really wealthy, because he wants to tax corporations less and he want's more from the average american.

Why would anyone not really wealthy or running a big corporation/business vote for that?

Edited September 25, 201214 yr by Commander Shepard

Why would anyone not really wealthy or running a big corporation/business vote for that?

I think you answered that question yourself before you asked it.

Living in the UK, I am finding it concerning that there is substantially more coverage and awareness of the US November elections than there are of the upcoming Police Commisonor elections (a brand new never before elected position). In fact, it is a struggle to even find out who the candidates are, and I have certainly been unable to find out anything approaching an election manifesto.

I want NObama. #RomneyRyan2012.

 

Barack has destroyed USA. And has not kept promises. Yes Mr. Obama we need change..................in the Oval office.

I want NObama. #RomneyRyan2012.

 

Barack has destroyed USA. And has not kept promises. Yes Mr. Obama we need change..................in the Oval office.

 

It's easier to promise bad things and get them through than to promise good things and get them through, that's why Obama is democrat.

Republicans started this war in Iraq and Afghanistan, which helped screw up your economy.

Why would you vote to elect a president who openly want's more war which in turn will screw up this American economy even more?

Eventually the world will reach the end stage of democracy, +10 parties with no clear figure on the top and nobody who could even care to vote.

 

belgium is getting there first >_>

Eventually the system is gonna come to revolution once enough people are pissed off with inaction and lies of government, until that happens for this election I am voting for Obama, Romney among many other republicans scare me in what they seem to believe in and how they view this country moving forward.

 

And I am an avid supporter of socialism, the idea is well, unfortunately humans are too stupid and greedy to make anything work correctly but when all is said and done I favor socialism over anything really.

Generally speaking republicans keep money flowing to the army and seeing as I get payed by the army and they pay for my college I really want to vote republican but I just can't pull myself to do it. Plus ultimately everything comes down to the will of the people. Once they become fed up enough change will happen. Until then I will continue stocking up my MREs and preparing for the inevitable revolution and/or zombie apocalypse, whichever comes first... Hopefully zombies...

As long as everyone stays civil I think this will be a great topic to watch. Ill just sit back and

Republicans started this war in Iraq and Afghanistan, which helped screw up your economy.

Why would you vote to elect a president who openly want's more war which in turn will screw up this American economy even more?

 

Correction. Republicans didnt start the wars. The attacks on September 11th did. As for Iraq, the war started with information we had at the time. When that info "proved" to be false, we should have changed what we were stating as our goals for being there.

 

Anyways, my long and short of it for voting, I dont care what party you are from as long as you fit closest to what I believe about how this country should be run. Democrat, republican, indie, whatever. How ever, supporting people who have not earned the right (i absolutely hate the word entitled) to be supported is retarded imo. Here, let me make other people pay for you not wanting to contribute. Ive seen first hand way too many people that are perfectly capable of working but refuse to. Instead, they live off of my taxes.

 

Some interesting points being made in this thread. Love reading it! Keep it civil!

I also agree that socialism is awesome... as an idea. It is inherently flawed simply because humans are involved. There is no way to establish a society of equality in that regard without having someone in control of it to ensure it remains in balance. With power comes corruption. No way around that. Also, people by nature are made to compete. Socialism itself attempts to fight directly against competition. You ill be "equal" no matter what you do.

Socialism is horrible. Communism is much better. I mean, it still suffers from people, but as an idea it is much better than state control of everything.

I want NObama. #RomneyRyan2012.

 

Barack has destroyed USA. And has not kept promises. Yes Mr. Obama we need change..................in the Oval office.

 

Please... the Bush administration destroyed your country, when you consider the leviathon like challenge set before him, Obama has done a pretty good job of it.

 

Correction. Republicans didnt start the wars. The attacks on September 11th did. As for Iraq, the war started with information we had at the time. When that info "proved" to be false, we should have changed what we were stating as our goals for being there.

 

Anyways, my long and short of it for voting, I dont care what party you are from as long as you fit closest to what I believe about how this country should be run. Democrat, republican, indie, whatever. How ever, supporting people who have not earned the right (i absolutely hate the word entitled) to be supported is retarded imo. Here, let me make other people pay for you not wanting to contribute. Ive seen first hand way too many people that are perfectly capable of working but refuse to. Instead, they live off of my taxes.

 

Some interesting points being made in this thread. Love reading it! Keep it civil!

 

9/11 did not start any war, it was simply an act of terror / weird protest. 9/11 was a partially valid CB to hunt down the perpetratiors in Afganistan and then the memories of those who lost their lives was down right abused to help the Bush administration justify the invaison of Iraq to the general population of the USA, invoking the fear anger and resentment which can only be detremental to a modern, forward thinkings and progressive society.

 

On your long story for voting I agree, and it's a problem which has become endemic in many european societies as well.

 

I also agree that socialism is awesome... as an idea. It is inherently flawed simply because humans are involved. There is no way to establish a society of equality in that regard without having someone in control of it to ensure it remains in balance. With power comes corruption. No way around that. Also, people by nature are made to compete. Socialism itself attempts to fight directly against competition. You ill be "equal" no matter what you do.

 

You've reached teh same conclusion as the fathers of modern democracy. The ancient greeks (having formed democracy out of a class system) concluded the only way to fairly and justly govern was through a benevolent dictatorship, however (as you said) the intruduction of human weakness, total power and corruption makes the application of such an idea completely invalid.

Anyways, my long and short of it for voting, I dont care what party you are from as long as you fit closest to what I believe about how this country should be run. Democrat, republican, indie, whatever. How ever, supporting people who have not earned the right (i absolutely hate the word entitled) to be supported is retarded imo. Here, let me make other people pay for you not wanting to contribute. Ive seen first hand way too many people that are perfectly capable of working but refuse to. Instead, they live off of my taxes.

 

Some interesting points being made in this thread. Love reading it! Keep it civil!

 

 

The government funds wars they initiatied with your taxes, if only you were so critical of them.

So are you only against people who are unemployed and get offered a job but refuse to do it?

Edited September 26, 201214 yr by Commander Shepard

Plus ultimately everything comes down to the will of the people. Once they become fed up enough change will happen. Until then I will continue stocking up my MREs and preparing for the inevitable revolution and/or zombie apocalypse, whichever comes first... Hopefully zombies...

Exactly what I have been starting to do. Guns, weapons, and ammo. If anything, December will be a possible test of human individuality. I suspect crime to spike a small amount as some desperate nut jobs will feel the need to do whatever they want before the predicted world's end. I think the world ending is a bunch of crap, but I'm nonetheless prepared to defend myself and my family against anyone wishing to harm us.

 

Back on topic, my personal feelings is that Obama didn't do that great his first term, so I'm willing to give someone else a try. I also feel like his administration has infringed on some of our Constitutional Rights. The past couple weeks especially haven't put Obama in a positive light. With his Administration's response towards the U.S. Ambassador's death in Libya, and riots throughout the rest of the Middle East. He really should have done more than apologizing and making our country sound weak.

 

Lets try to keep some maturity when we post. We really don't want to start offending our alliance members. We can definitely hold reasonable and mature discussions, as long as we watch what we say and how we word things.

socialism is awesome, capitalism is awesome its the right balance smart guy! Scandinavian countries seem to be doing ok.

 

One could argue Afghan war was the result of Sept 11, which itself can be argued to be the result of previous FA policies in middle east and actions pursued in Afghan conflict in 80s none the less killing more civilians to avenge deaths of civilians due to past policies is in no way justifiable and Taliban had it coming. So where do we stand now? Karzai is a bad puppet who cant govern beyond Presidential palace, he and his family are busy getting rich, he has no respect outside his own immediate tribe. The bereacracy is filled with northern alliance, who are/were no better than the dreaded villains that Taliban are.

 

Iraq war......RL noCB war? wont find a WMD there in next 1000 years and it was not only a damn costly war but Iraq's govt can stand or fall on the whims of Iran, the latest "enemy" needed to instil fear and keep spending more than half a trillion on defence.

 

Ultimately and fundamentally, corporations, lobbies and the filthy rich govern, they let you all choose a figurehead, but what is general public's influence on actual policy vs these forces? evidence was clear in the toothless financial regulation passed during sometime in Obama's government.

Edited September 26, 201214 yr by Shahenshah

With his Administration's response towards the U.S. Ambassador's death in Libya, and riots throughout the rest of the Middle East. He really should have done more than apologizing and making our country sound weak.

Mr. Romney initially said the embassy had sent out the statement in reaction to the rioting and the deaths of U.S. officials, when in fact, the statement was sent during an initial phase in an attempt to calm the rioting mobs outside the embassy who were reacting to a film about Muslims produced in the U.S. Source

Is this what you are referring to, his response that he made -before- the killings?

One could also argue that 9/11 wasn't actually done by terrorists working for Al Qaeda, as there is no evidence that it was.

But enough about that.

 

The Republican party was in power when these wars were initiated so it is really their fault for the US's problems.

With his Administration's response towards the U.S. Ambassador's death in Libya, and riots throughout the rest of the Middle East. He really should have done more than apologizing and making our country sound weak.

I cannot actually recall him being apologising to anyone. He said his Govt condemns hate speech towards any race and religion, which is a good policy to have right?, nonetheless, all that drama is allowed under freedom of speech and he reiterated the fact that US govt did not sponsor the film, which is also a fact and needed to be aired because it was something that was being propagated by extremists.

Edited September 26, 201214 yr by Shahenshah

One could also argue that 9/11 wasn't actually done by terrorists working for Al Qaeda, as there is no evidence that it was.

Edit: I was referring to:

I recall there being a video of OBL basically accepting that he was responsible.

Edited September 26, 201214 yr by Shahenshah

Actually there's plenty of documented evidence that it was actually done by them.

 

 

And there is plenty of evidence to suggest the other way, especially evidence of sloppy cover ups.