So what do you guys think about North Korea's latest shens?

 

For those unfamiliar or who want to freshen up, here's an article on it:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/world/asia/north-korea-five-things/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

 

If anyone finds other interesting pieces on this subject, feel free to post them below.

 

Remember: Be considerate of others' opinions and remain civil (I don't think this will escalate to that however one never knows with IRON members, we have passion for many things )

I usually side with the underdog, almost all of the time.

I would like to see NK win, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

That was a good joke CS!

I'm serious, all you war crazed Americans assume it can only be war.

There is so many other ways to win.

 

I usually side with the underdog, almost all of the time.

I would like to see NK win, but I'm not holding my breath.

...what?

 

Haha I get underdog sympathy (why I like Legion), and even RL with sports teams. Just not nuclear war, since , you know, people die.

I would not actually pick a side in nuclear war, both fighting parties destroying each other would be a preferable outcome or perhaps eventually peace.

If one side was to win then the world would most likely be worse off.

No one wins a nuclear war.

No one wins a nuclear war.

Absolutely this.

 

The world would lose if NK escalates this into a war.

Edited April 12, 201313 yr by The Warrior

True, survive is a more suitable word

I'm serious, all you war crazed Americans assume it can only be war.

There is so many other ways to win.

 

Being an American and a member of the United States Army I can't begin to tell you how ignorant the first statement in your reply is. Your stereotype of America is very insulting and far from an even slightly educated guess. First off this isn't the first time posturing such as this has occurred and in the past the US solved things diplomatically by appeasing NK through various aid only for the same things to happen time and time again.

You are also stating things as if this entire conflict stems for the US when it was joint UN sanctions stemming from the support of numerous world leaders that turned NK so volatile.

I can tell you that no one I know in any branches of the Armed Forces desire a conflict with NK, nor any of the American citizens I run into daily wish for more war. I have friends station in korea and would hate to see them die. That being said, us soldiers will step in and risk our lives to protect innocent civilians from the dangers of war and aggression because that is our duty and what we have sworn to do.

We don't want war, we don't want to kill, but we will protect those that are trying to live peaceful lives, and we will not stand by and let our family and friends be threatened with nuclear war. If our desire to live and protect people from the ravages of war and aggression is seen as us being war crazed then so be it but we will continue to fight and protect ourselves and our allies because that is who we are and what we care about.

 

-Simple message from your average "war crazed" American

You took my post the wrong way, it was me referring to the how they reacted to my post.

Judging by how they were "shocked" or thought I was joking, I assumed they thought I meant NK winning in a conflict. 

 

In short I said war crazed because I assume they were assuming I meant NK winning military in a conflict.

No need to get worked up about it.

 

 

I was just searching and found this

 

http://memecrunch.com/meme/453T/north-korea-made-homefront/image.png

 

Don't know if anyone else saw it but it reminded me of Red Dawn which was largely a ridiculous movie.

I hope we don't get more impossible invasion games or movies from NK like they did with the Russians.

Though MW2 had Russians invade the US and that was quite recent.

Edited April 12, 201313 yr by Commander Shepard

 

I'm serious, all you war crazed Americans assume it can only be war.

There is so many other ways to win.

 

Being an American and a member of the United States Army I can't begin to tell you how ignorant the first statement in your reply is. Your stereotype of America is very insulting and far from an even slightly educated guess. First off this isn't the first time posturing such as this has occurred and in the past the US solved things diplomatically by appeasing NK through various aid only for the same things to happen time and time again.

You are also stating things as if this entire conflict stems for the US when it was joint UN sanctions stemming from the support of numerous world leaders that turned NK so volatile.

I can tell you that no one I know in any branches of the Armed Forces desire a conflict with NK, nor any of the American citizens I run into daily wish for more war. I have friends station in korea and would hate to see them die. That being said, us soldiers will step in and risk our lives to protect innocent civilians from the dangers of war and aggression because that is our duty and what we have sworn to do.

We don't want war, we don't want to kill, but we will protect those that are trying to live peaceful lives, and we will not stand by and let our family and friends be threatened with nuclear war. If our desire to live and protect people from the ravages of war and aggression is seen as us being war crazed then so be it but we will continue to fight and protect ourselves and our allies because that is who we are and what we care about.

 

-Simple message from your average "war crazed" American

 

LK, As an American as well and a brother and cousin to a military members I can see why people assume the US is a war-crazed nation. Its all propaganda and people take our actions in a different light when really we want us to be the "shining beacon of light" in the darkness and be the nice person in the world. Sometimes that requires war, and sometimes it has been a misused approach however we sometime do use war LK and its ok to be called war-mongering. I shrug it off, think it kind of funny. -- Though I am a 18 year old boy who finds everything funny 

 

Anyway, Can we keep this discussion on a serious note (enough Memes) though, k thnx

First off:

 

o/ LK! Your service is appreciated and the American civilians can never thank you or any of our armed forces enough.

 

Secondly, my post in response to yours CS was sarcasm. I'll have to have Sammy fix the sarcasm button on the boards.

People assume the US is a war crazed nation?

There is nothing to assume, you don't fake reasons(WMD's) to starts wars if you do not want war.

Whatever other agenda such as oil,democracy and freedom/rights(though that is a gray area for the US), faking the reasons is war crazed enough.

Maybe most people are not war crazed but the people you elect and the corporations that pay them and the military-industrial complex that profits off these wars which they wanted sure seem war crazed.

Blame it on corruption which is a problem itself, but it certainly seems the US is war crazed.

No the US is not a beacon of light, it is a lesser of two evils.

 

There is good everywhere but sometimes the bad overshadows it.

 

I'm serious, all you war crazed Americans assume it can only be war.

There is so many other ways to win.

 

Being an American and a member of the United States Army I can't begin to tell you how ignorant the first statement in your reply is. Your stereotype of America is very insulting and far from an even slightly educated guess. First off this isn't the first time posturing such as this has occurred and in the past the US solved things diplomatically by appeasing NK through various aid only for the same things to happen time and time again.

You are also stating things as if this entire conflict stems for the US when it was joint UN sanctions stemming from the support of numerous world leaders that turned NK so volatile.

I can tell you that no one I know in any branches of the Armed Forces desire a conflict with NK, nor any of the American citizens I run into daily wish for more war. I have friends station in korea and would hate to see them die. That being said, us soldiers will step in and risk our lives to protect innocent civilians from the dangers of war and aggression because that is our duty and what we have sworn to do.

We don't want war, we don't want to kill, but we will protect those that are trying to live peaceful lives, and we will not stand by and let our family and friends be threatened with nuclear war. If our desire to live and protect people from the ravages of war and aggression is seen as us being war crazed then so be it but we will continue to fight and protect ourselves and our allies because that is who we are and what we care about.

 

-Simple message from your average "war crazed" American

Spoilered for sanity's sake:

1776 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamagua Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

1777 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

1778 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1779 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1780 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1781 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1782 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1783 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1784 – Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War, Oconee War

1785 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1786 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1787 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1788 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1789 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1790 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1791 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1792 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1793 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1794 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1795 – Northwest Indian War

1798 – Quasi-War

1799 – Quasi-War

1800 – Quasi-War

1801 – First Barbary War

1802 – First Barbary War

1803 – First Barbary War

1804 – First Barbary War

1805 – First Barbary War

1806 – Sabine Expedition

1810 – U.S. occupies Spanish-held West Florida

1811 – Tecumseh’s War

1812 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Seminole Wars, U.S. occupies Spanish-held Amelia Island and other parts of East Florida

1813 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Peoria War, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in West Florida

1814 – War of 1812, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in Florida, Anti-piracy war

1815 – War of 1812, Second Barbary War, Anti-piracy war

1816 - First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1817 - First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1818 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1819 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1820 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1821 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)

1822 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)

1823 – Anti-piracy war, Arikara War

1824 – Anti-piracy war

1825 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1827 – Winnebago War

1831 - Sac and Fox Indian War

1832 – Black Hawk War

1833 – Cherokee Indian War

1834 – Cherokee Indian War, Pawnee Indian Territory Campaign

1835 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War

1836 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Missouri-Iowa Border War

1837 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Osage Indian War, Buckshot War

1838 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Buckshot War, Heatherly Indian War

1839 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars

1840 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade Fiji Islands

1841 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade McKean Island, Gilbert Islands, and Samoa

1842 – Seminole Wars

1843 – U.S. forces clash with Chinese, U.S. troops invade African coast

1844 – Texas-Indian Wars

1845 – Texas-Indian Wars

1846 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

1847 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

1848 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War

1849 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

1850 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, California Indian Wars, Pitt River Expedition

1851 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

1852 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

1853 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, Walker War, California Indian Wars

1854 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

1855 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Yakima War, Winnas Expedition, Klickitat War, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

1856 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, Tintic War

1857 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Utah War, Conflict in Nicaragua

1858 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Mohave War, California Indian Wars, Spokane-Coeur d’Alene-Paloos War, Utah War, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

1859 Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Pecos Expedition, Antelope Hills Expedition, Bear River Expedition, John Brown’s raid, U.S. forces launch attack against Paraguay, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1860 – Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Paiute War, Kiowa-Comanche War

1861 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign

1862 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Dakota War of 1862,

1863 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Goshute War

1864 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Snake War

1865 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Colorado War, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War

1866 – Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Franklin County War, U.S. invades Mexico, Conflict with China

1867 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, U.S. troops occupy Nicaragua and attack Taiwan

1868 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Battle of Washita River, Franklin County War

1869 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

1870 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

1871 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, Kingsley Cave Massacre, U.S. forces invade Korea

1872 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Franklin County War

1873 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Apache Wars, Cypress Hills Massacre, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1874 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Red River War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1875 – Conflict in Mexico, Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Eastern Nevada, Mason County War, Colfax County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1876 – Texas-Indian Wars, Black Hills War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1877 – Texas-Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Black Hills War, Nez Perce War, Mason County War, Lincoln County War, San Elizario Salt War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1878 – Paiute Indian conflict, Bannock War, Cheyenne War, Lincoln County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1879 – Cheyenne War, Sheepeater Indian War, White River War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1880 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1881 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1882 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1883 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1884 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1885 – Apache Wars, Eastern Nevada Expedition, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1886 – Apache Wars, Pleasant Valley War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1887 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1888 – U.S. show of force against Haiti, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1889 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1890 – Sioux Indian War, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Ghost Dance War, Wounded Knee, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1891 – Sioux Indian War, Ghost Dance War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1892 – Johnson County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1893 – U.S. forces invade Mexico and Hawaii

1894 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1895 - U.S. forces invade Mexico, Bannock Indian Disturbances

1896 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1897 – No major war

1898 – Spanish-American War, Battle of Leech Lake, Chippewa Indian Disturbances

1899 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1900 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1901 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1902 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1903 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1904 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1905 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1906 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1907 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1908 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1909 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1910 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1911 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1912 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1913 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars, New Mexico Navajo War

1914 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1915 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico, Colorado Paiute War

1916 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1917 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S. invades Mexico

1918 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S invades Mexico

1919 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1920 – Banana Wars

1921 – Banana Wars

1922 – Banana Wars

1923 – Banana Wars, Posey War

1924 – Banana Wars

1925 – Banana Wars

1926 – Banana Wars

1927 – Banana Wars

1928 – Banana Wars

1930 – Banana Wars

1931 – Banana Wars

1932 – Banana Wars

1933 – Banana Wars

1934 – Banana Wars

1941 – World War II

1942 – World War II

1943 – Wold War II

1944 – World War II

1945 – World War II

1946 – Cold War (U.S. occupies the Philippines and South Korea)

1947 – Cold War (U.S. occupies South Korea, U.S. forces land in Greece to fight Communists)

1948 – Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

1949 - Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

1950 – Korean War, Jayuga Uprising

1951 – Korean War

1952 – Korean War

1953 – Korean War

1954 – Covert War in Guatemala

1955 – Vietnam War

1956 – Vietnam War

1957 – Vietnam War

1958 – Vietnam War

1959 – Vietnam War, Conflict in Haiti

1960 – Vietam War

1961 – Vietnam War

1962 – Vietnam War, Cold War (Cuban Missile Crisis; U.S. marines fight Communists in Thailand)

1963 – Vietnam War

1964 – Vietnam War

1965 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

1966 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

1967 – Vietnam War

1968 – Vietnam War

1969 – Vietnam War

1970 – Vietnam War

1971 – Vietnam War

1972 – Vietnam War

1973 – Vietnam War, U.S. aids Israel in Yom Kippur War

1974 – Vietnam War

1975 – Vietnam War

1976 – No major war

1977 – No major war

1978 – No major war

1979 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

1980 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

1981 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), First Gulf of Sidra Incident

1982 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

1983 – Cold War (Invasion of Grenada, CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

1984 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Persian Gulf

1985 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

1986 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

1987 – Conflict in Persian Gulf

1988 – Conflict in Persian Gulf, U.S. occupation of Panama

1989 – Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, U.S. occupation of Panama, Conflict in Philippines

1990 – First Gulf War, U.S. occupation of Panama

1991 – First Gulf War

1992 – Conflict in Iraq

1993 – Conflict in Iraq

1994 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti

1995 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti, NATO bombing of Bosnia and Herzegovina

1996 – Conflict in Iraq

1998 – Bombing of Iraq, Missile strikes against Afghanistan and Sudan

1999 – Kosovo War

2000 – No major war

2001 – War on Terror in Afghanistan

2002 – War on Terror in Afghanistan and Yemen

2003 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, and Iraq

2004 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2005 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2006 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2007 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen

2008 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2009 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2010 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2011 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen; Conflict in Libya (Libyan Civil War)

 

Of 237 years of existence the USA has been at war (Or occupying some other country/running a proxy war/playing nuclear chicken) for 216 of them or about 91% of it's existence, the longest stretch of peace was all of 6 years during the depression and you haven't had a non war president since... ever. 

 

To claim that the US is a peaceful country is freaking insane, and well some of those wars were certainly justified or outright unavoidable, a lot of them were outright imperialism, escalated far past their original intent, the result of largely manufactured threats or would be better classified as attempted genocide.

 

Yes the average soldier will be disinclined towards war for rather obvious reasons, if congress declared war you'd still go and fight it, and it would hardly be the first time they declared an unpopular war. Or one that turned so rather quickly for that matter

 

The fact the US is unlikely to go to war with NK  has little to do with an unwillingness to use military force and everything to do with the fact A: China will step in should you do so and B: Having enough military force in the region to stop NK form  ruining South Korea's day would make China twitchy. If China ever goes "Fuck this shit, you're on your own." chances are good there'd be a US led NATO or UN force over there before very long. 

Edited April 13, 201313 yr by Rand0m her0

I was arguing the fact that saying the US, as in the entirety of its population, being war crazed is wrong. I wasn't speaking about the political inclinations of those we, and the rest of the world, help promote into government. Anytime politics is involved you can pretty safely assume they are attempting to gain something by using the situation to their advantage as evident in almost every war we have ever fought in. I would have better communicated my point by phrasing it as this: The motivations of the aggregate US population is far from "war crazed".

Yet to call Americans "war crazed" is asinine.  It is like saying everyone in England has bad teeth.  All Irish people are always drunk.  Everyone from Africa is from a spear throwing tribe.  It is a narrow minded view based on a look at the extreme minority.

 

Look at how many wars have been disapproved of by the general public.

 

While the list contains some wars and conflicts I disagree with, there is a lot of times where it has either been necessary or justified.  Is America perfect?  Not by any means.  Do we have corrupt politicians?  Yes, and so does every other country.

 

You can say that America is prone to use military force when it is viewed as necessary, but take your closed minded view elsewhere.  My seven and a half years in the military, and over thirty years in this country, have shown me that most Americans do not want war, and would prefer to avoid it.  If it is necessary though, we will bleed, we will die, or do whatever is needed to preserve our way of life, and the freedom of those we call friends. 

North Korea is a waste of neutrons.

I agree with that for the most part.  The leadership of that country has done such terrible things that it is hard to believe...

Well looky at my thread thriving about! haha

 

Lets try to stay focused on North Korea and its actions as of lately pls. K thx 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/12/video-north-korea-threatens-to-strike-colorado-springs-but-doesnt-know-where-it-is/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUP8T7Qar88

 

 

I'm serious, all you war crazed Americans assume it can only be war.

There is so many other ways to win.

 

Being an American and a member of the United States Army I can't begin to tell you how ignorant the first statement in your reply is. Your stereotype of America is very insulting and far from an even slightly educated guess. First off this isn't the first time posturing such as this has occurred and in the past the US solved things diplomatically by appeasing NK through various aid only for the same things to happen time and time again.

You are also stating things as if this entire conflict stems for the US when it was joint UN sanctions stemming from the support of numerous world leaders that turned NK so volatile.

I can tell you that no one I know in any branches of the Armed Forces desire a conflict with NK, nor any of the American citizens I run into daily wish for more war. I have friends station in korea and would hate to see them die. That being said, us soldiers will step in and risk our lives to protect innocent civilians from the dangers of war and aggression because that is our duty and what we have sworn to do.

We don't want war, we don't want to kill, but we will protect those that are trying to live peaceful lives, and we will not stand by and let our family and friends be threatened with nuclear war. If our desire to live and protect people from the ravages of war and aggression is seen as us being war crazed then so be it but we will continue to fight and protect ourselves and our allies because that is who we are and what we care about.

 

-Simple message from your average "war crazed" American

Spoilered for sanity's sake:

1776 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamagua Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

1777 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

1778 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1779 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1780 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1781 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1782 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1783 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1784 – Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War, Oconee War

1785 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1786 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1787 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1788 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1789 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1790 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1791 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1792 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1793 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1794 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1795 – Northwest Indian War

1798 – Quasi-War

1799 – Quasi-War

1800 – Quasi-War

1801 – First Barbary War

1802 – First Barbary War

1803 – First Barbary War

1804 – First Barbary War

1805 – First Barbary War

1806 – Sabine Expedition

1810 – U.S. occupies Spanish-held West Florida

1811 – Tecumseh’s War

1812 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Seminole Wars, U.S. occupies Spanish-held Amelia Island and other parts of East Florida

1813 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Peoria War, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in West Florida

1814 – War of 1812, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in Florida, Anti-piracy war

1815 – War of 1812, Second Barbary War, Anti-piracy war

1816 - First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1817 - First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1818 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1819 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1820 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1821 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)

1822 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)

1823 – Anti-piracy war, Arikara War

1824 – Anti-piracy war

1825 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1827 – Winnebago War

1831 - Sac and Fox Indian War

1832 – Black Hawk War

1833 – Cherokee Indian War

1834 – Cherokee Indian War, Pawnee Indian Territory Campaign

1835 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War

1836 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Missouri-Iowa Border War

1837 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Osage Indian War, Buckshot War

1838 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Buckshot War, Heatherly Indian War

1839 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars

1840 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade Fiji Islands

1841 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade McKean Island, Gilbert Islands, and Samoa

1842 – Seminole Wars

1843 – U.S. forces clash with Chinese, U.S. troops invade African coast

1844 – Texas-Indian Wars

1845 – Texas-Indian Wars

1846 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

1847 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

1848 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War

1849 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

1850 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, California Indian Wars, Pitt River Expedition

1851 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

1852 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

1853 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, Walker War, California Indian Wars

1854 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

1855 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Yakima War, Winnas Expedition, Klickitat War, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

1856 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, Tintic War

1857 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Utah War, Conflict in Nicaragua

1858 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Mohave War, California Indian Wars, Spokane-Coeur d’Alene-Paloos War, Utah War, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

1859 Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Pecos Expedition, Antelope Hills Expedition, Bear River Expedition, John Brown’s raid, U.S. forces launch attack against Paraguay, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1860 – Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Paiute War, Kiowa-Comanche War

1861 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign

1862 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Dakota War of 1862,

1863 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Goshute War

1864 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Snake War

1865 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Colorado War, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War

1866 – Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Franklin County War, U.S. invades Mexico, Conflict with China

1867 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, U.S. troops occupy Nicaragua and attack Taiwan

1868 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Battle of Washita River, Franklin County War

1869 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

1870 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

1871 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, Kingsley Cave Massacre, U.S. forces invade Korea

1872 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Franklin County War

1873 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Apache Wars, Cypress Hills Massacre, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1874 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Red River War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1875 – Conflict in Mexico, Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Eastern Nevada, Mason County War, Colfax County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1876 – Texas-Indian Wars, Black Hills War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1877 – Texas-Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Black Hills War, Nez Perce War, Mason County War, Lincoln County War, San Elizario Salt War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1878 – Paiute Indian conflict, Bannock War, Cheyenne War, Lincoln County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1879 – Cheyenne War, Sheepeater Indian War, White River War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1880 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1881 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1882 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1883 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1884 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1885 – Apache Wars, Eastern Nevada Expedition, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1886 – Apache Wars, Pleasant Valley War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1887 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1888 – U.S. show of force against Haiti, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1889 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1890 – Sioux Indian War, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Ghost Dance War, Wounded Knee, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1891 – Sioux Indian War, Ghost Dance War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1892 – Johnson County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1893 – U.S. forces invade Mexico and Hawaii

1894 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1895 - U.S. forces invade Mexico, Bannock Indian Disturbances

1896 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1897 – No major war

1898 – Spanish-American War, Battle of Leech Lake, Chippewa Indian Disturbances

1899 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1900 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1901 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1902 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1903 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1904 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1905 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1906 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1907 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1908 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1909 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1910 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1911 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1912 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1913 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars, New Mexico Navajo War

1914 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1915 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico, Colorado Paiute War

1916 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1917 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S. invades Mexico

1918 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S invades Mexico

1919 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1920 – Banana Wars

1921 – Banana Wars

1922 – Banana Wars

1923 – Banana Wars, Posey War

1924 – Banana Wars

1925 – Banana Wars

1926 – Banana Wars

1927 – Banana Wars

1928 – Banana Wars

1930 – Banana Wars

1931 – Banana Wars

1932 – Banana Wars

1933 – Banana Wars

1934 – Banana Wars

1941 – World War II

1942 – World War II

1943 – Wold War II

1944 – World War II

1945 – World War II

1946 – Cold War (U.S. occupies the Philippines and South Korea)

1947 – Cold War (U.S. occupies South Korea, U.S. forces land in Greece to fight Communists)

1948 – Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

1949 - Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

1950 – Korean War, Jayuga Uprising

1951 – Korean War

1952 – Korean War

1953 – Korean War

1954 – Covert War in Guatemala

1955 – Vietnam War

1956 – Vietnam War

1957 – Vietnam War

1958 – Vietnam War

1959 – Vietnam War, Conflict in Haiti

1960 – Vietam War

1961 – Vietnam War

1962 – Vietnam War, Cold War (Cuban Missile Crisis; U.S. marines fight Communists in Thailand)

1963 – Vietnam War

1964 – Vietnam War

1965 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

1966 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

1967 – Vietnam War

1968 – Vietnam War

1969 – Vietnam War

1970 – Vietnam War

1971 – Vietnam War

1972 – Vietnam War

1973 – Vietnam War, U.S. aids Israel in Yom Kippur War

1974 – Vietnam War

1975 – Vietnam War

1976 – No major war

1977 – No major war

1978 – No major war

1979 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

1980 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

1981 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), First Gulf of Sidra Incident

1982 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

1983 – Cold War (Invasion of Grenada, CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

1984 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Persian Gulf

1985 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

1986 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

1987 – Conflict in Persian Gulf

1988 – Conflict in Persian Gulf, U.S. occupation of Panama

1989 – Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, U.S. occupation of Panama, Conflict in Philippines

1990 – First Gulf War, U.S. occupation of Panama

1991 – First Gulf War

1992 – Conflict in Iraq

1993 – Conflict in Iraq

1994 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti

1995 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti, NATO bombing of Bosnia and Herzegovina

1996 – Conflict in Iraq

1998 – Bombing of Iraq, Missile strikes against Afghanistan and Sudan

1999 – Kosovo War

2000 – No major war

2001 – War on Terror in Afghanistan

2002 – War on Terror in Afghanistan and Yemen

2003 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, and Iraq

2004 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2005 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2006 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2007 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen

2008 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2009 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2010 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2011 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen; Conflict in Libya (Libyan Civil War)

 

Of 237 years of existence the USA has been at war (Or occupying some other country/running a proxy war/playing nuclear chicken) for 216 of them or about 91% of it's existence, the longest stretch of peace was all of 6 years during the depression and you haven't had a non war president since... ever. 

 

To claim that the US is a peaceful country is freaking insane, and well some of those wars were certainly justified or outright unavoidable, a lot of them were outright imperialism, escalated far past their original intent, the result of largely manufactured threats or would be better classified as attempted genocide.

 

Yes the average soldier will be disinclined towards war for rather obvious reasons, if congress declared war you'd still go and fight it, and it would hardly be the first time they declared an unpopular war. Or one that turned so rather quickly for that matter

 

The fact the US is unlikely to go to war with NK  has little to do with an unwillingness to use military force and everything to do with the fact A: China will step in should you do so and B: Having enough military force in the region to stop NK form  ruining South Korea's day would make China twitchy. If China ever goes "Fuck this shit, you're on your own." chances are good there'd be a US led NATO or UN force over there before very long. 

 

The statistics are pretty bad, but also kind of misleading. There are many other countries who were involved in way too many wars since the beginning of their existence, yet they're hardly perceived as "war mongers". It's just that they carry less weight nowdays than the US. Exhibit A: France

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_France

Yet to call Americans "war crazed" is asinine.  It is like saying everyone in England has bad teeth.  All Irish people are always drunk.  Everyone from Africa is from a spear throwing tribe.  It is a narrow minded view based on a look at the extreme minority.

 

It is actually a bit different in your examples of Ireland, Africa and England.

You say all the people, which is unrealistic.

 

 

I'm serious, all you war crazed Americans assume it can only be war.

 

Despite what you might think it was only referring to war crazed Americans and not all Americans.

It would be different if I said "All you Americans are war crazed". instead it is only referring to war crazed Americans who assume it is war.

That and I said it half jokingly, I never expected people would get offended.

Edited April 13, 201313 yr by Commander Shepard

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2013/04/world/north-korea-missile-capabilities/

 

This article shows the other coin of stupid propaganda and scaremongering, only difference is CNN is a bit more sophisticated about it compared to NK. Only Scud D and Nodong are operational missiles, they are obsolete and since NK cant arm missiles with nukes, their precision is quite useless for any strike on military targets, you fire a salvo and hope for the best. Every ballistic missile that's fired out of NK will be intercepted very easily. There is absolutely no military threat to US territories.

 

The only and only major threat is thousands of artillery shells that'll be fired in first 0-~30 minutes towards SK if NK initiates a conflict, after that they will be taken out within minutes. The shells will not be penetrating any millitary infrastructure esp. beefed up Arty that'll counter immediately. All known NK artillery locations will be hit within minutes. All unknown locations will be exposed as soon as anything is fired from those locations. 

 

All in all, the only real threat is to civilians in SK who fall within the range of obsolete arty. 

 

So, while its quite an amusement looking at NK propaganda, its equally amusing looking at the propaganda from the othe side by someone who doest have a horse in the race. Keep it up

 

At the end of the day, survival is in instinct unfortunately blessed even to the donkey, so its safe to assume NK regime knows this. War will be the quickest way to the demise of their govt.  They wont do it, they have it all good for them. All this is just another control mechanism to keep their population sentiment in some form of check even tho many probably know its all bs. 

ihateaaron, on 13 Apr 2013 - 06:28, said:

I agree with that for the most part. The leadership of that country has done such terrible things that it is hard to believe...

Yes, objectively speaking, same holds true for US government.

 

Moraity is as real in CN as in RL

 

World Certain people need a new bogeyman to continue to justify spending trillions of hard-earned tax money of some of the most resourceful and hardworking people. So no harm if idiots in NK do it for free lol

Edited April 13, 201313 yr by Shahenshah

 

Yet to call Americans "war crazed" is asinine.  It is like saying everyone in England has bad teeth.  All Irish people are always drunk.  Everyone from Africa is from a spear throwing tribe.  It is a narrow minded view based on a look at the extreme minority.

 

It is actually a bit different in your examples of Ireland, Africa and England.

You say all the people, which is unrealistic.

 

> 

I'm serious, all you war crazed Americans assume it can only be war.

 

Despite what you might think it was only referring to war crazed Americans and not all Americans.

It would be different if I said "All you Americans are war crazed". instead it is only referring to war crazed Americans who assume it is war.

That and I said it half jokingly, I never expected people would get offended.

 

I was replying to the implication of the building from your post.  Each post escalated the general idea.

 

For me it gets old that people want to bash America for we live, yet most people who do forget that at some point they asked, some even begged, for our help.  As a military person I got to see that in person.  I have been to countries where our presence was requested, and the people have protested, shouted at, and even spit on me.  So I may be a bit quick to jump on that.

 

Back onto the topic.  North Korea has put themselves in a position that might be a no win.  All appearances seem to show an extreme internal conflict, and Kim Jong Un is having a difficult time imposing his will.  All the blustering has them in a position with their military setup to launch a missile that will be seen as an immediate threat by several of the surrounding countries.

I was replying to the implication of the building from your post.  Each post escalated the general idea.

 

 

For me it gets old that people want to bash America for we live, yet most people who do forget that at some point they asked, some even begged, for our help.  As a military person I got to see that in person.  I have been to countries where our presence was requested, and the people have protested, shouted at, and even spit on me.  So I may be a bit quick to jump on that.

 

Back onto the topic.  North Korea has put themselves in a position that might be a no win.  All appearances seem to show an extreme internal conflict, and Kim Jong Un is having a difficult time imposing his will.  All the blustering has them in a position with their military setup to launch a missile that will be seen as an immediate threat by several of the surrounding countries.

 

The building of my post that there are Americans that are war crazed? That is fairly accurate.

 

Most people who bash America asked for their help but forget? Well at least you didn't say all people who bash the US.

I can only assume you mean their countries asked for help in some ways but if that is the case then you should separate the government from the people as they do not fully represent them.