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[KevinH]

c/thing/things/

[Imran Ehsan]

I am happy with RoTs responses.

 

Unvote

 

Pretty much is active now so its good. I went back and skimmed through the posts from the beginning and apart from killgor's last 3 post I also found he has been pretty non-commital and commenting as if from the outside (not taking an active part in the discussions). According to me, he has contributed the least on Day 1 apart from Xarastier. Since the replacement still has not come in..

 

Vote: killgor

 

Questions to killgor: Who do you thing are acting the most scummy so far? Whats your thoughts on who the vig should target if anyone?  Whats your thoughts on Kazio?

[Imran Ehsan]

I dont necessary disagree. I have also found Euclid's posts suspicious..but care to explain more? What kind of reaction are you referring to here?

 
 
Tbh I would like for you to be more specific about your FoS at me in #146 as well. Your case against me seems to be build on:
1. You reading into my posts that I throw "wild accusations" and I say definite things like "he must be scum."
2. You having a different opinion than me about what useful info there is on Day 1 (vote records, active vs inactive).
3. Me commenting on your choice to vote reign of terror rather than Xarastier.
 
 Ad 1. I have done neither as I explained in #149 to which IIRC you never answered.
Ad 2. Do you consider everyone that disagrees with you on something suspicious?
Ad 3. Clearly I was just prompting you to clarify, which you have since done.

All in all a pretty weak case I'd say. But maybe I underestimate you and you were throwing that FoS at me mainly to hunt scum amongst those that sheep to it. If that's the case. Good job. I should probably give you some town points for that.

 

Basically my reasons for FOS that I gave in the post you referenced to. You came across as trying too hard to lynch some people based on just Day 1 discussions. I see you already admit that Commander Shepard may be a noob town --> exactly the point I was making earlier..new players tend to post a lot and inevitably end up posting scummy things. We should not lynch on Day 1 based on that but use that info as reference for scum hunting on later days. I personally think he is a noob town. I dont have a clearer read on you yet.

 

Rafay seems to be a prime candidate for lynching. His posts have been scummy, but having played with him a few games already, that is nothing new. So he may indeed be scum but it is really hard to read him as he is always defensive. So i really want some more posts from other people who have been gliding by. Apart from killgor and xarastier, Nerau was on my list but he has posted since then and mentioned RL issues, lyner has also been pretty quite lately.

[Martino]

@Euclid: I somewhat agree with you. However, I'm a bit hesistant to give him a free pass because he is new. I've seen that excuse being used by a scum once too many to give it any weight. 

 

Since we're saying thing again: the Vigilante will most likely kill a townie.

 

When it happens, I'll say, "I told you so."

unvote 

vote KevinH

 

We've had this discussion countless times before. Until we have lost the game, the vig/lynch is always numerically more likely to target a townie. That does not mean that it is in our favor to sit around until we have lost. 

 

 

 

Some general thoughts:

Both Rafay and Kilgor are playing like they played last game. That does not mean they are town, but I also would not draw the conclusion that they must be scum due to their playstyle. In any case, at this point I would rather not lynch Rafay. 

 

[Commander Shepard]

Well the thing is there is no definite scummy behavior or town behavior, every player is different.

I'm new to this so my behavior is new to everyone and your behaviors are new to me.

New may indeed seem scummy to some old players, If I was to continue my mafia career it would change very little.

 

It's probably why all this talk about scummy moves and such is humorous for me.

It seems the key to maintaining that you could be town or scum is to maintain your behavior throughout the games and people base your behavior on your alignment at the end and how you acted throughout.

[Commander Shepard]

@Martino; Oh but I didn't use the excuse, someone used if for me.

                  I'm just that good.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

@Euclid: I somewhat agree with you. However, I'm a bit hesistant to give him a free pass because he is new. I've seen that excuse being used by a scum once too many to give it any weight.

 

We are on the same page here. I was just asking because I don't think he makes for a good Day 1 lynch.

 

I like your attempt to restart the KevinH wagon but will keep my vote on Rafay for now.

 

I would really like to get some input from the Xarastier slot now.

[reign of terror]

Since we're saying thing again: the Vigilante will most likely kill a townie.

 

When it happens, I'll say, "I told you so."

When we lynch a scum and the vig nightkills a scum then I'll say, "I told you so." 

 

Seriously though I hope that the vig already knows if he will be nightkilling or not.  If I was in his place, I don't think the other players would really convince me one way or the other.  I don't really care what he decides as long as he is doing what he feels is best for the town.

[Chaplain of death]

Okay sorry, I passed out last night and had work early this morning. Now the vote count is ACTUALLY forthcoming.

[Chaplain of death]

Vote count 1.05

 

 

 

 

 

reign of terror (0) -

Kaziocore (1) - Rafay,

Nerau (0) - 

killgor (1) - Imran Ehsan

KevinH (2) - Xarastier, Martino

Martino (0) – 

Rafay (3) - Nerau, KevinH, Euclid of Alexandria

Commander Shepard (1) - Kaziocore

Lyner (0) -

Imran Ehsan (0) -

Euclid of Alexandria (2) - Commander Shepard, Killgor

Xarastier (1) - Lyner
 

Not voting (1) - reign of terror

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Rafay is currently the wagon leader at L-4

Deadline is Monday, May 6th, 2013 @ 23:20 PST

 

 

 

Our first replacement hasn't responded to me in awhile, so I'll be PMing Electric to replace Xarastier. When I get a replacement lined up and the role pm sent I will extend the deadline. Probably to about mid-day Thursday.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

Imran is voting twice. Cool. Can I do the same?

[Chaplain of death]

Mocking the moderator is a bad idea. Just sayin'.

 

anyway fixed.

[Kaziocore]

I would recommend that people stay away from going huge bolded font in
the future. It saddens me when I get the vibe that people aren't
enjoying the game for what it is, a game. Obviously there is no rule for
the usage of fonts other than that this color is reserved for the mod,
but, I'd prefer not to have a font size war.

lol sorry mod
I actually like the drama
It makes the game more interesting

 Rafay is probably derp town.
I've reviewed Rafay's past games.
He's more inclined to be defensive and to
OMGUS vote players as town than scum.

 

@Kaziocore @Martino

Although I agree that much of his behavior is anti-town I'm actually reading Shepard more and more as noob town rather than scum. What say you?

Yeah going back through his posts, I'm more inclined to believe he's noob town.
Also someone as stubborn as him is unlikely to be mafia.

 

Kaz said early on that he intended to vote to put pressure on people, saying you're just doing something to put pressure on someone is not something I view as all that helpful as they may not buckle under pressure simply because they know why the votes are been put on them.

The thing is I didn't say I voted KevinH just for pressure.
If you reread the thread again, I've said it was also a pressure vote
on Page #4 and after that I switched my vote to Rafay.

I also didn't explicitly say that I'm pressure voting Rafay when I voted him.
I said it when you tried to argue with me.

I would also like to add that pressuring people with votes is important in scum hunting.
It's more significant than FOSes because the danger of getting lynched is there.
It pressures scum into a corner (and also his scum partners) and it forces town
to talk more

It was still early in the game and I always believe that bandwagons are good,
pressure is good, and votes are good. "By creating bandwagons over a minorly
scummy thing, you take the game out of the area of randomness,
and into the realm of information."

 I think it's not a secret that I suspected killgor.
One of the things that bothered me is that his
posts are mostly fluff. I think the last substantial
post coming from him is from Page #4.
I think he's trying to avoid attention.

Unvote: Commander Shepard
Vote: killgor

 

Mocking the moderator is a bad idea. Just sayin'.
 
anyway fixed.

why so serious lol

[killgor]

Questions to killgor: Who do you thing are acting the most scummy so far? Whats your thoughts on who the vig should target if anyone?  Whats your thoughts on Kazio?

 

 

well imran, i think i answered both questions in my previous posts and with my last vote. but i expand upon some of the them, especially since since then more has been added to the thread. when i voted i was juggling between voting for kazio and euclid. it seemed to me like both of them were attacking a lot of people but without committing.the reason why i voted euclid was because i actually killed kazio in the last game first day.

 

what i think about the vig? i think i already stated my thoughts. it's his decision. if he thinks he knows who is scum he should go ahead and nk. if not... well, it's his decision again.

 

i'll digress a bit before answering the last one. since the last time i had the chance to sit down and read the thread, euclid actually made amends with shepard. kazio though...

 

 

 

oh and kazio, me waiting for the vote count then voting for the one with the biggest amount of votes on him is hardly me trying to avoid detection.

[Commander Shepard]

Kaziocore, on 30 Apr 2013 - 05:30, said:

The thing is I didn't say I voted KevinH just for pressure.
If you reread the thread again, I've said it was also a pressure vote
on Page #4 and after that I switched my vote to Rafay.

I also didn't explicitly say that I'm pressure voting Rafay when I voted him.
I said it when you tried to argue with me.

I would also like to add that pressuring people with votes is important in scum hunting.
It's more significant than FOSes because the danger of getting lynched is there.
It pressures scum into a corner (and also his scum partners) and it forces town
to talk more

It was still early in the game and I always believe that bandwagons are good,
pressure is good, and votes are good. "By creating bandwagons over a minorly
scummy thing, you take the game out of the area of randomness,
and into the realm of information."

 

I'm not really talking about your voting, in general I am talking about the two times on page 4 you mentioned it.

 

If I was a scum I feel that it would have boosted my cause not to reveal anything or buckle under pressure of votes.

Even if you voted for more than just a pressure vote, they may see it as just a pressure vote.

[Lyner]

Sorry guys, I got to go for three days, maybe I can visit sometimes.

 

I'll review everything when I come back, and share my opinions

 

 

unvote

[Euclid of Alexandria]

Mocking the moderator is a bad idea. Just sayin'.

 

anyway fixed.

 

Just trying to help.   Will I be modkilled now?

[Euclid of Alexandria]

Where the devil is Electric Mango?

[Chaplain of death]

You guys misunderstand. I'm not mad, I'm just screwing with you back.  What you said was nowhere even near the realm of requiring a modkill.

 

Also, I don't mind what you are saying or your use of larger font to make a point. However, I would prefer not to end up with everything in size 48 font bolded underlined etc. If it becomes an issue (which it hasn't) then I will probably set a max font size...... which would be silly, we aren't so childish to require a font limit are we?  

[KevinH]

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Electric Mango, we miss you ...

I know what he misses
This will surely attract him
Poetry of course