KevinH, Innocent Child, was shot in the head
 
Votecount 4.00

 

Alternate_Tree (0) -
d3mon (0) -
Electric Mango (0) -
Euclid of Alexandria (0) -
Imran Ehsan (0) -
killgor (0) -
Lyner (0) -

Not Voting (7) - Alternate_Tree, d3mon, Electric Mango, Euclid of Alexandria, Imran Ehsan, killgor, Lyner

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
No one is the current wagon leader at L-4
Deadline is Saturday, August 10th, 2013 @ 11:00 EDT

most interesting development. i was expecting them to shoot for the cop but i guess they are starting to root out the confirmed townies.

 

vote: lyner because i'm sure he is scum. and before i give out my reasons why i vote for him, i would like to hear from d3mon since we 3 were the ones who voted for alt_tree.

Well I think they had a good strategy killing a known person, it's basically all they can do.  They didn't want to kill anyone who is in the ambiguous middle when it's 7 people alive and 2 confirmed players with another power role out there waiting for the right time to roleclaim.  The question is, who do we lynch first to try to weed out scum.  I have my suspicions mainly of d3mon and lyner.  I don't think it is kilgor because iSoc voted for him first everyday and he probably wouldn't random vote a fellow scum

Imho, it is very likely that AT is scum. If he wasn't, it would have been easy for scum to just vote for him and prevent a scum lynch. Anyhow, I would wait for thoughts from other people before voting but atm..

 

FoS: AT

Day 1: iSoc voted KevinH during the first half and killgor during the second half of the day

Day 2: iSoc voted CS all day, being one of the first on that wagon.

Day 3: iSoc started off voting killgor on then quickly changing to Alt

 

iSoc seems to have a thing with killgor in his voting although I'm not sure that it means anything as the first one was RV and the second one didn't last very long.
 

Also, there were two confirmed townies, Imran and KevinH. Imran has pretty much kept to himself, while KevinH's was venting suspicions mainly towards d3mon and killgor. So, interesting that the scum chose to NK KevinH over Imran.

 

I'll probably end up voting someone from the Alt wagon today. Killgor is pointing towards Lyner right off the bat. Let's hear from d3mon and Lyner, and also killgor's reasoning for his vote.

Oh d3mon just posted while I wrote that... making and interesting point as well: if Alt was a townie then scum would have voted for him to save iSoc.

 

Well, we know that iSoc, the only known scum was in fact voting for him so there's that. Also what if Alt is scum? With the two wagons on two of them, would not the scum have tried to get a third wagon going? As I see it the jury is still out on Alt. You might be right about him, you might be wrong about him, and in all honesty, from where I stand you might be scum yourself.

Imho, it is very likely that AT is scum. If he wasn't, it would have been easy for scum to just vote for him and prevent a scum lynch. Anyhow, I would wait for thoughts from other people before voting but atm..

 

FoS: AT

All the scum were already voting for him so your point is moot.

 

I'm sure d3mon is our 2nd mafia.

I really dont think killgor is scum. That leaves d3mon and lyner on the AT wagon. Also d3.'s point doesn't make sense to me. Why would the scum fight against each othr and create 2 wagons both on scum.

 

 

Votecount 2.06

Alternate_Tree (0) -

ccabal86 (0) -

Chaplain of death (1) - Commander Shepard

Commander Shepard (7) - killgor, iSocialism, Imran Ehsan, Alternate_Tree, Chaplain of death, Lyner, Euclid of Alexandria

d3mon (0) -

DarkIceDragon (1) - KevinH

Euclid of Alexandria (0) -

Imran Ehsan (0) -

iSocialism (0) -

KevinH (0) -

killgor (0) -

Lyner (0) -

 

Not Voting (3) - ccabal86, d3mon, DarkIceDragon

 

Ive said this before. Now, assuming I'm a townie, d3mon is the only non confirmed townie not voting for CS. That either means that all 3 scum voted for CS or that d3mon is scum and 2 other scum voted for CS. Ive played mafia for a long ass time and ive never seen 3 scum vote like that so early in the game. Take that evidence combined with yewterdays voting records and anybody can see that d3mon is the most logical choice for our next lynch.

 

Don't worry little Timmy, your death will not have been in vain.

 

 

 

 

Votecount 2.06

Alternate_Tree (0) -

ccabal86 (0) -

Chaplain of death (1) - Commander Shepard

Commander Shepard (7) - killgor, iSocialism, Imran Ehsan, Alternate_Tree, Chaplain of death, Lyner, Euclid of Alexandria

d3mon (0) -

DarkIceDragon (1) - KevinH

Euclid of Alexandria (0) -

Imran Ehsan (0) -

iSocialism (0) -

KevinH (0) -

killgor (0) -

Lyner (0) -

 

Not Voting (3) - ccabal86, d3mon, DarkIceDragon

 

Ive said this before. Now, assuming I'm a townie, d3mon is the only non confirmed townie not voting for CS. That either means that all 3 scum voted for CS or that d3mon is scum and 2 other scum voted for CS. Ive played mafia for a long ass time and ive never seen 3 scum vote like that so early in the game. Take that evidence combined with yewterdays voting records and anybody can see that d3mon is the most logical choice for our next lynch.

 

Don't worry little Timmy, your death will not have been in vain.

 

Heh.. keep going down that road and poor timmy's death will be in vain. I was inactive at the time of CS's lynch but anyhow, if you do believe that all scum would not want to fall under one group then why do you believe that yesterday's vote holds any significance.

 

Also, aren't we supposed to have another power role?? Imho, it would be the perfect time to roleclaim to win the game.

Interesting killgor. Shoot me up, prepare though

 

 

EM I think we can all agree that you're indeed a townie, unless both iSoc and AT is a scum

Votecount 4.01
 

 

Alternate_Tree (0) -
d3mon (0) -
Electric Mango (0) -
Euclid of Alexandria (0) -
Imran Ehsan (0) -
killgor (0) -
Lyner (0) -

Not Voting (7) - Alternate_Tree, d3mon, Electric Mango, Euclid of Alexandria, Imran Ehsan, killgor, Lyner

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
No one is the current wagon leader at L-4
Deadline is Saturday, August 10th, 2013 @ 11:00 EDT

Also, aren't we supposed to have another power role?? Imho, it would be the perfect time to roleclaim to win the game.

I'm just gonna say again what I always say: PRs should not claim unless they have something useful to share or are about to get lynched otherwise.

@Lyner: Please tell us who you think is scum.

 

@killgor: You said you were gonna explain your vote for Lyner. Please do.

hey guys. sorry for the delayed post, but heh, going to a Rammstein concert supersedes everything. anyway, following a one-shot hunch, i have used my one-shot power and did a one-shot investigation on our one and only Lyner here, thus explaining my one-shot vote. anyway, this is my one-shot roleclaim at being the one-shot cop.

also,

vote: Lyner

because i can't find my name in the people who voted section.

To me its just a question of who to lynch first: lyner or d3mon

 

Vote: Lyner

 

If kilgor is scum and is false-claiming we will know he is scum when we lynch Lyner.

I knew it, it seems my decision was right

Sorry killgor, you picked a wrong target, I am the cop

 

AT is a vanilla townie, checked it last night, I was going toing to announce it at the start of the day but after seeing killgor's post I decided to wait so he can't get away and change his plan by saying like it's just a hunch

 

Which means the last scum is either d3mon or Euclid

And sure if you can't believe me just lynch both of us, but hey kill killgor first pwease, I still wanna play

 

 

Vote: killgor

also,

vote: Lyner

because i can't find my name in the people who voted section.

 

Player Actions/Voting/Player Death

• Votes must be at the beginning of a new line, using bold (VOTE: Player name). If you do not wish to lynch, you may VOTE: No Lynch. Abbreviations, missing punctuation, and misspellings will be accepted as long as it is obvious to me who is being voted for. If I perceive it as a vote, it counts as a vote

 

Votecount 4.02
 
 

 

Alternate_Tree (0) -
d3mon (0) -
Electric Mango (0) -
Euclid of Alexandria (0) -
Imran Ehsan (0) -
killgor (1) - Lyner
Lyner (2) - killgor, Imran Ehsan

Not Voting (4) - Alternate_Tree, d3mon, Electric Mango, Euclid of Alexandria

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Lyner is the current wagon leader at L-2
Deadline is Saturday, August 10th, 2013 @ 11:00 EDT

Looks pretty straight forward to me.

 

Vote: Lyner

Interesting developments. Since we still have two scum and can only afford one more mislynch we should proceed with caution.

 

Scenario 1: lynch Lyner

If killgor is lying and we mislynch Lyner, the cop, we will then have to lynch two scum in a row. Obviously killgor would be one of them, but who would we lynch after killgor? As things stand now it would likely be d3mon. So possibly a scum killgor, if d3mon is not his buddy, could sacrifice himself to get us to mislynch Lyner today trusting that we will mislynch d3mon later thus handing the game to the scum.

 

If killgor is telling the truth and we lynch Lyner, a scum, then we would still likely lynch d3mon next. If d3mon is scum, great, we win. If he is not we must lynch the real scum next or lose. The real scum would have to be EM, Alt or (being objective here) myself.

 

Scenario 2: lynch killgor

Substituting Lyner for killgor and vice versa this plays out pretty much the same as scenario 1.

 

Conclusion

One of Lyner and killgor is scum and we should therefore lynch one of them. However, if d3mon is town, we'll lose the game if we lynch the wrong one and only have a 1 in 3 chance of winning if we get the right one. If d3mon is scum we are sure to win either way.

 

So how to decide between Lyner and killgor? Killgor's seems more credible since he claimed first. On the other hand killgor put Alt at L-1 yesterday when he could have hammered iSoc. Lyner joined the Alt wagon before KevinH claimed, when it looked like it was going to be between KevinH and iSoc. Knowing now that iSoc was scum I would have expected a scum to join the KevinH wagon at that point.

 

At this point I'm inclined to hammer Lyner but since the day is still long I would like to get some opinions on the above first.

Interesting developments. Since we still have two scum and can only afford one more mislynch we should proceed with caution.

 

Scenario 1: lynch Lyner

If killgor is lying and we mislynch Lyner, the cop, we will then have to lynch two scum in a row. Obviously killgor would be one of them, but who would we lynch after killgor? As things stand now it would likely be d3mon. So possibly a scum killgor, if d3mon is not his buddy, could sacrifice himself to get us to mislynch Lyner today trusting that we will mislynch d3mon later thus handing the game to the scum.

 

If killgor is telling the truth and we lynch Lyner, a scum, then we would still likely lynch d3mon next. If d3mon is scum, great, we win. If he is not we must lynch the real scum next or lose. The real scum would have to be EM, Alt or (being objective here) myself.

 

Scenario 2: lynch killgor

Substituting Lyner for killgor and vice versa this plays out pretty much the same as scenario 1.

 

Conclusion

One of Lyner and killgor is scum and we should therefore lynch one of them. However, if d3mon is town, we'll lose the game if we lynch the wrong one and only have a 1 in 3 chance of winning if we get the right one. If d3mon is scum we are sure to win either way.

 

So how to decide between Lyner and killgor? Killgor's seems more credible since he claimed first. On the other hand killgor put Alt at L-1 yesterday when he could have hammered iSoc. Lyner joined the Alt wagon before KevinH claimed, when it looked like it was going to be between KevinH and iSoc. Knowing now that iSoc was scum I would have expected a scum to join the KevinH wagon at that point.

 

At this point I'm inclined to hammer Lyner but since the day is still long I would like to get some opinions on the above first.

 

A very well written and reasoned post.

If for a second, I were to step into someone else's shoes I can understand why I look like the obvious choice for the next lynch but imho, if Killgor and me were scum, he wouldn't be the one to roleclaim. I am definitely in the line of fire and it doesn't make sense to sacrifice someone when the likely candidate for the next lynch would still be me. 

if you are doubting my roleclaim, i have 2 things to say.

 

1. i believe all my actions for the past 2 days have been consistent with me being the 1shot cop (maybe even on the 2nd day since i thought of why there was only 1 night kill after imran roleclaimed. i already knew there was no jailer so there had to be another explanation).

 

2. there is a 1 in 6 chance for me to roleclaim while being scum and stumble upon the actual cop. ok, well, 1 in 5 since imran is probably a vig. but the only defense the scum can have at this point is to fakeclaim so he will most likely do it 100% of all cases. so that will sum up to a 20% chance that i'm lying.

 

and a small addendum. why would i try to fake claim when until now i can't say there was any heat on me in any way? i did my investigation and i exposed it. due to the nature of my role i don't believe i can be of other use to the town except to further diminish the list of suspects as much as i can.

That was a quick L-1 set of votes.  As Euclid says, the day is long and we have 5 townies and 2 scum, so we have to make lynches count.

 

Since the cop is clearly the third role because we have 2 opposing parties claiming it, and since there was only one shot finding who is the cop really just gives us another confirmed townie.

 

The way I see it we have 3 main options since we have 3 people that are rather suspicious: d3mon, killgor, and lyner.

 

Option 1, we lynch d3mon, we find out if he was a scum and leave the killgor and lyner debate for the next day and probably lose Imran in the night.  Not a very good option

 

Option 2, we lynch killgor, this gives information on lyner directly and on me secondarily since he roleclaimed and said that I'm a VT, which I am confirming.

 

Option 3, we lynch lyner and get information on killgor directly and on me directly.

 

In any case, lyner and killgor seem to be who to pick, because either way we'll get definitive results on a couple people and that will allow whoever is left to enter the next day with the maximum amount of information.

 

Vote: killgor

 

From my limited point of information I believe lyner is telling us the truth, I am a VT and the whole battle yesterday between me and iSoc should prove that fact since he pointed at me first when he had 2 other people voting for him before I defended myself and pointed back at him.

 

In any case, killgor is far from a lynch vote, and I want the discussion to continue