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[Robert2424]

saying that a certain individual visited somebody else dose not mean there auto scum. just means they have a night action. Weather u think the action is scum related could be up for debate. Say, if one person targeted you, but you didn't die, most we know they didn't have a killing role. but since 3 people visited you, I find the interesting. although I personally don't see why they'd try to kill you. I forget who mentioned it, but I completely agree with them that most likely scum would of tried to kill theo(Who got replaced). (At least this is me trying to predict where scum will try to kill). Course, we got an interesting spin on things now. So the question is as follows, protection role. If somebody protected somebody, meaning preventing the night, kill, or was it B, a role block that went right. If A is true, seems we've been lied to our multiple protection roles. But my take on the situation going on over 24 hours no sleep. Yeah, bed time for me. Hope this made sense.

[Kaziocore]

Votecount 3.03

Daniel Vigrid (0) -
d3mon (0) -
Electric Mango (0) -
Imran Ehsan (1) - Yates
Iron Helix (0) -
killgor (0) -
Lyner (0) -
Robert2424 (1) - killgor
Simternity (0) -
Yates (0) -

Not Voting (8) - Daniel Vigrid, d3mon, Electric Mango, Imran Ehsan, Iron Helix, Lyner, Robert2424, Simternity

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Imran Ehsan and Robert2424 are the current wagon leaders at L-5
Yates is V/LA until December 26
Deadline is Saturday, January 4th, 2014 @ 08:15 EDT

The following people were prodded:

d3mon

Imran Ehsan

Iron Helix

[Electric Mango]

So I have something interesting to add. No one visited Yates last night.

[Electric Mango]

You know how I am the Flying Spaghetti Monster and I have the empower power role? Well guess what? I have more than that. One of my other powers allows me to redirect all night actions to myself. That is why no one died and also why I know that no one visited Yates.

Last night I'm sure I was watched, investigated, protected and targeted.

Yates is lying about his role again and that is not pro town action.

[Electric Mango]

vote: Yates

[killgor]

me gusta

 

unvote

[Iron Helix]

Vote: Yates

 

Clearly you haven't learned your lesson about these lame gambits.

[d3mon]

 

our claimed doc of course of course. he looked like a sure kill and he is a strong power role. besides, it was obvious that he would have protected a strong power role also so looking at the roleclaims you are the most powerful one.

Yup. So why didn't Theo's slot die/get targeted last night?

 

 

It is rather strange but it is possible that someone might have protected me. That's another possible reason why no one is dead today.

 

Anyhow, I have had a lot to read but at this time it seems that Yates is most likely scum.

 

Vote:Yates

[Yates]

It is rather strange but it is possible that someone might have protected me.

So you are sticking with your doctor claim.
AND you think there are OTHER protective roles out there.
AND you think that EM is telling the truth.

Are all three of these statements true?

[killgor]

just for the record, i'm also tempted to vote for you,yates, but i want to hear from the rest first

[Yates]

One of my other powers allows me to redirect all night actions to myself. That is why no one died...

Last night I'm sure I was watched, investigated, protected and targeted.

So you are claiming to be a lightning rod, now?

You realize that if you were telling the truth I would have seen the people visiting YOU, right?

Also, how would you know who visited you? The lightning rod redirects all results TOWARDS themselves - that doesn't mean they receive the results. Ooops. Major misstep.

Also, also, now you'd need to explain how you survived but I guess that's moot because of the above. Please explain the bolded before we go ahead and lynch you.

[Yates]

just for the record, i'm also tempted to vote for you,yates, but i want to hear from the rest first

Not so fast, my friend. Please read my above post. Once again, EM's claim is not adding up...

[Yates]

Clearly you haven't learned your lesson about these lame gambits.

Clearly you aren't familiar with how a lightning rod works. Also, clearly you haven't thought through what my results would be if EM *were* telling the truth.

Whoops.

[d3mon]

 

It is rather strange but it is possible that someone might have protected me.

So you are sticking with your doctor claim.
AND you think there are OTHER protective roles out there.
AND you think that EM is telling the truth.

Are all three of these statements true?

 

 

1) I don't think that it can be doubted at this time.

2) Its just one of my theories, it could be false.

3) Atm, I find trusting him a lot easier than you.

[Iron Helix]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You realize that if you were telling the truth I would have seen the people visiting YOU, right?

 

Also, how would you know who visited you? The lightning rod redirects all results TOWARDS themselves - that doesn't mean they receive the results. Ooops. Major misstep.

 

 

He hasn't made a knowledge claim that he knows a certain person visited him.  Presumably everyone who had a night action performed it on EM because of the redirection power.  That would include investigations, killing, protection, etc. 

 

EM is a (claimed) lightning rod

A lightning rod redirects all actions towards itself

All night actions (visits), if performed, must have been performed on EM.

 

This is contrary to your claim that you watched three people visit you. However, as you point out, the case would be that you would have seen everyone who had a night action visit EM. You claim there were three people, so those three people all visited EM.  However, YOU also visited EM, so you should have also seen yourself visit EM (making 4 total visitors, and 5 total people with night actions).  We can deduce you weren't one of those three you watched considering you are doubting EM's claim.  It should be relatively easy to determine if you're telling the truth once you name the three people you watched.  If anyone else claims a night action, it will be contrary to this scenario.  

 

 

 

Also, also, now you'd need to explain how you survived but I guess that's moot because of the above. Please explain the bolded before we go ahead and lynch you.

 

 Presumably he survived because there was a protection action, which was redirected towards him.

 

 

 

Clearly you aren't familiar with how a lightning rod works. Also, clearly you haven't thought through what my results would be if EM *were* telling the truth.

Whoops.

Considering your track record of lying, I'm willing to believe EM's claim before yours.  Also EM's claim is a believable explanation as to why there was no night kill.

[Iron Helix]

D3mon

Imran 

Simternity

 

Are presumably the three who had night actions.  Simternity neighborizes people, so if he had a night action neighborizing, it would have been on EM (Yates would have seen it as a visit). Yates claims he saw Theo/d3mon visit him.  Imran is the 3rd.

 

Anyone else have a night action?

[Yates]

I'm guessing Simternity was a 1-shot or didn't submit. So you can rule that one out unless Simternity makes a statement to the contrary.

[Yates]

He hasn't made a knowledge claim that he knows a certain person visited him.

Here's his knowledge claim:

Last night I'm sure I was watched, investigated, protected and targeted.

So he's claiming there's a watcher [which would also vet me AGAIN if you believe him], a cop, a doc, and obviously scum.

Now think about this for a second... Take a deep breath and THINK....

How. Would. A. Lightning rod. Know. This???

The answer is: it wouldn't. There is no way for EM to know WHAT targeted him he would simply "go off" and draw everything. Period. There is no information returned by the mod to EM.

Considering your track record of lying, I'm willing to believe EM's claim before yours.

So if you choose to believe him? I've now been vetted as a tracker AND a watcher - BY EM. And thus, your vote makes no sense. And, frankly, neither does his. Actually, if he was a lightning rod knowing he had been watched and that *I* was the only one claiming watcher, why would he vote me over someone I watched go to him? Are you seeing the hole in his scum gambit yet?

Also EM's claim is a believable explanation as to why there was no night kill.

You are honestly stating that you believe a lightning rod makes more sense than a doc protect?

[Yates]

@EM - Anything to say or come clean about before you are lynched?

[Iron Helix]

Here's his knowledge claim:

Electric Mango, on 27 Dec 2013 - 11:08, said:

Last night I'm sure I was watched, investigated, protected and targeted.

So he's claiming there's a watcher [which would also vet me AGAIN if you believe him], a cop, a doc, and obviously scum.

Now think about this for a second... Take a deep breath and THINK....

How. Would. A. Lightning rod. Know. This???

The answer is: it wouldn't. There is no way for EM to know WHAT targeted him he would simply "go off" and draw everything. Period. There is no information returned by the mod to EM.

 

Okay I misread what EM had said. That is interesting he knows the actions performed.  However I think that's not entirely implausible )though I guess not a typical lightning rod role).

 

There were no night kills, so unless someone else is claiming to have protected someone, it's only reasonable that we assume it was d3mon.  he claims he performed the protection on you.  That means one of two things. Either:

 

-The killer targeted you and EM is lying.

OR

-EM is telling the truth and the kill was redirected towards EM along with the protection.

 

So, you claim 3 people visited you.  Since you're now accusing EM of being scum, then you must be claiming that EM was the third person to visit you (and must be the one who tried to kill you). Otherwise your accusations that he's scum and skepticism of his claim makes no sense. Was EM the third person to visit you?

 

 

 

Iron Helix, on 27 Dec 2013 - 18:19, said:

Considering your track record of lying, I'm willing to believe EM's claim before yours.

So if you choose to believe him? I've now been vetted as a tracker AND a watcher - BY EM. And thus, your vote makes no sense. And, frankly, neither does his. Actually, if he was a lightning rod knowing he had been watched and that *I* was the only one claiming watcher, why would he vote me over someone I watched go to him? Are you seeing the hole in his scum gambit yet?

I do believe him.  I was suspicious of your claim, but if it's the case that EM knows the exact actions performed, then that certainly helps you.

 

 

 

Iron Helix, on 27 Dec 2013 - 18:19, said:

Also EM's claim is a believable explanation as to why there was no night kill.

You are honestly stating that you believe a lightning rod makes more sense than a doc protect?

 

If the lighting rod is performed with a protection action in play, then there is a 100% chance of there being no night kill, as opposed the the more random chance that the doc and scum choose the same person.  IMO, it is entirely plausible the EM is a lightning rod.