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[MastersonX]

Obama-care...

 

Personally i think that Obama-care is a mistake. Now i might have bias since i'm a Republican at heart, i believe that we don't need it around. I would go as for as calling it a Socialist Idea, I think that its nice that everyone could get "free" heath care, but what happens if you have to go to the hospital for a surgery, and Obama-care doesn't cover that certain area in surgery's. That means that you would have to pay higher taxes for Obama-care to be around, and you would have to pay for personal insurance. I think we are better off with Personal Insurance alone. Not to mention the hay-day the news is having about how the website was put up without even being completely finished. 

 

But that is just my opinion, what is your opinion on it?

[Lysistrata]

Mistake would be correct. It's on the fast track for the trash heap of legislative stupidity.

 

The Progressives dream of Universal Healthcare.

If they got what they wanted our "healthcare" would be broken down into 3 forms of treatment.

1) Band-Aids

2) Pain Killers

3) Cremation

 

It would be your choice because that's all that could be afforded. Doctors will never work for Government slave wages.

 

We protested hard enough to force them to fast pass an incomplete Senate Bill that we call Obamacare.

It's intended to melt down the Medical Insurance industry and force the single payer option... which will turn into the above scenario.

Be smart and do not even attempt to try to get involved in this on any level.

I feel so bad for those that really need the care right now. They will pay the price until we can get this all killed.

 

If you have a problem with uninsured people you need to work on them... not destroy it for everyone else.

[Khandom]

I think it is a huge mistake.  Forcing me to pay more for my coverage so others can have no cost or low cost insurance.  My premiums went up from $483 a month to just over $711 a month.  This does not make it "fair" for all parties involved.

[Montosh]

I don't live in the US, but I have seen the legislation and it seems like quite a fuck up. Obama's not the progressive he'd like to pretend to be. He's a conservative, basically he's Bush except he's cool on gay marriage. If he went into politics in Canada, he'd have a nice spot in the Conservative Party.

 

Mistake would be correct. It's on the fast track for the trash heap of legislative stupidity.

 

The Progressives dream of Universal Healthcare.

If they got what they wanted our "healthcare" would be broken down into 3 forms of treatment.

1) Band-Aids

2) Pain Killers

3) Cremation

 

It would be your choice because that's all that could be afforded. Doctors will never work for Government slave wages.

 

It's not a "progressive dream". Universal health care works very well. In Canada, where we have universal health care(except dental, damn conservatives keep blocking that), things work very well. Doctors make pretty good money working for "Government slave wages". Sure, not as much as they'd make in the US, but quite a bit still.

 

Trust me, when you need some medical work done, you can get it, almost entirely free. Sure, you might have to wait a while longer than in the US, but you also don't need to pay thousands of dollars.

[Iron Helix]

I keep hearing about Canadians coming to the US when they need to bypass the wait times, particularly for cancer, which treating quickly is imperative. 

[Montosh]

I keep hearing about Canadians coming to the US when they need to bypass the wait times, particularly for cancer, which treating quickly is imperative. 

 

Yup, you do keep hearing that, It's mostly rich Canadians though, but conservatives are perfectly happy to use that as propaganda. Though not for cancer, that gets treated very quickly.

[Lysistrata]

I don't live in the US, but I have seen the legislation and it seems like quite a fuck up. Obama's not the progressive he'd like to pretend to be. He's a conservative, basically he's Bush except he's cool on gay marriage. If he went into politics in Canada, he'd have a nice spot in the Conservative Party.

 

Mistake would be correct. It's on the fast track for the trash heap of legislative stupidity.

 

The Progressives dream of Universal Healthcare.

If they got what they wanted our "healthcare" would be broken down into 3 forms of treatment.

1) Band-Aids

2) Pain Killers

3) Cremation

 

It would be your choice because that's all that could be afforded. Doctors will never work for Government slave wages.

 

Universal health care works very well... In Canada

You almost had it right but you had to leave out a couple periods... I fixed it for you.

We have about 310 million people here. The problems you have will be mutiplied many millions of times here.

What you beleive works well on paper never takes into consideration the human condition.

A socialist program will always fail because people do whatever fits best with their life... not what someone thinks they will do.

You take care with that system you have... when you're life depends on it, you will hope the good old USA is still there for you.

[Montosh]

 

I don't live in the US, but I have seen the legislation and it seems like quite a fuck up. Obama's not the progressive he'd like to pretend to be. He's a conservative, basically he's Bush except he's cool on gay marriage. If he went into politics in Canada, he'd have a nice spot in the Conservative Party.

 

Mistake would be correct. It's on the fast track for the trash heap of legislative stupidity.

 

The Progressives dream of Universal Healthcare.

If they got what they wanted our "healthcare" would be broken down into 3 forms of treatment.

1) Band-Aids

2) Pain Killers

3) Cremation

 

It would be your choice because that's all that could be afforded. Doctors will never work for Government slave wages.

 

Universal health care works very well... In Canada

You almost had it right but you had to leave out a couple periods... I fixed it for you.

We have about 310 million people here. The problems you have will be mutiplied many millions of times here.

What you beleive works well on paper never takes into consideration the human condition.

A socialist program will always fail because people do whatever fits best with their life... not what someone thinks they will do.

You take care with that system you have... when you're life depends on it, you will hope the good old USA is still there for you.

 

 

What problems exactly are you talking about? The fact that there's no dental coverage? That can't be multiplied really... Or the fact that rich people go the US to have procedures a few weeks earlier? And not for life-threatening conditions, those are treated immediately. If Universal healthcare is a "Socialist Program", then socialism obviously works pretty well.

[Lysistrata]

Like I said... you take care with that. As for here, where my family lives and breathes, absolutely NOT!

[Montosh]

Hope none of you gets any disease that is expensive to treat.

[Iron Helix]

Hope none of you gets any disease that is expensive to treat.

 

That is the express purpose of health insurance.  

 

 

Trust me, when you need some medical work done, you can get it, almost entirely free. Sure, you might have to wait a while longer than in the US, but you also don't need to pay thousands of dollars.

 

Is it really free?  Is it not being paid for in taxes?  According to this, the amount spent on Canadian Health Care is equivalent to two thirds of all Canadian income tax.  It may be free for you if you're not paying taxes, but otherwise, I can't see how it can be claimed to be free.  

[Commander Shepard]

I'm not sure what the big problem is considering the amount that goes into military.

Perhaps there should be protests to instead use  the money on social care and welfare.

[Filthy Fifths]

Who doesn't love 1/6th of the US economy being put under government control? Hooray for big government.

[Samus]

Why can't everyone just use the british system.

Everybody's covered :v

[Theophilos]

 

Hope none of you gets any disease that is expensive to treat.

 

That is the express purpose of health insurance.  

 

 

Trust me, when you need some medical work done, you can get it, almost entirely free. Sure, you might have to wait a while longer than in the US, but you also don't need to pay thousands of dollars.

 

Is it really free?  Is it not being paid for in taxes?  According to this, the amount spent on Canadian Health Care is equivalent to two thirds of all Canadian income tax.  It may be free for you if you're not paying taxes, but otherwise, I can't see how it can be claimed to be free.  

 

 

Well tbh, US spends most on its HC system yet it is below average (comparatively speaking). And it is "free" in terms of actual contribution versus cost of treatment, with the cost of contribution lower to that in the US on top of it.

[onbekende]

In this thread, americans will once again show to be scared of anything even remotly considerd "social".

[Rhizoctonia]

A joke..that's what it is, but then again...I feel our President is joke as well

[Mia]

I tend to be a liberal but I am not sure what I think of it other than it wasn't embraced whole-heartedly and half implemented.

 

Also the IT disaster of Obama care shows me how much Obama actually cared about this entire mess. If you're going to implement a widespread controversial policy, you better make sure everything is working and that you're actually doing what you said you would do.

[Lysistrata]

I tend to be a liberal but I am not sure what I think of it other than it wasn't embraced whole-heartedly and half implemented.

 

Also the IT disaster of Obama care shows me how much Obama actually cared about this entire mess. If you're going to implement a widespread controversial policy, you better make sure everything is working and that you're actually doing what you said you would do.

A Liberal and a Conservative can actually agree on something. 100% of this post is 100% accurate.

 

Obamacare was never designed to improve our health insurance system.

It was designed to destroy the employer provided health insurance system that most of us have, and kick everyone onto a government controlled exchange. Why did they delay the employer mandate until after the mid-term elections? The more of this pathetic law that actually gets implemented, the more people hate it. Most of us have employers that pay for most of the cost of our insurance. A year from now, most of that will all end and an estimated 80 million of us will be forced to swallow the government plan... and pay the entire cost. That whole "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, period", was a gigantic LIE.

 

The intent has always been single payer. To get there they had to make the insurance we have, undesirable. Then everybody would cry for Government help. One problem they never counted on... Republicans took control of the House in 2010 and they have been playing goalie to protect their evil plan ever since. Mid-term 2014 they lose the Senate and Obama is left alone to play goalie alone with his veto. I think hatred will be so strong, that Congress will over-ride his veto. Then the healing can begin with common sense solutions.

 

I'm thinking Chris Christie in 2016. He has proven his ability to work with the entire country... plus I love his Jersey style!

 

Edit: I spelled Christie's name wrong... sacrilege!

Edited by Lysistrata, 01 December 2013 - 05:53 PM.

[Rhizoctonia]

I tend to be a liberal but I am not sure what I think of it other than it wasn't embraced whole-heartedly and half implemented.

Also the IT disaster of Obama care shows me how much Obama actually cared about this entire mess. If you're going to implement a widespread controversial policy, you better make sure everything is working and that you're actually doing what you said you would do.

A Liberal and a Conservative can actually agree on something. 100% of this post is 100% accurate.

Obamacare was never designed to improve our health insurance system.
It was designed to destroy the employer provided health insurance system that most of us have, and kick everyone onto a government controlled exchange. Why did they delay the employer mandate until after the mid-term elections? The more of this pathetic law that actually gets implemented, the more people hate it. Most of us have employers that pay for most of the cost of our insurance. A year from now, most of that will all end and an estimated 80 million of us will be forced to swallow the government plan... and pay the entire cost. That whole "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, period", was a gigantic LIE.

The intent has always been single payer. To get there they had to make the insurance we have, undesirable. Then everybody would cry for Government help. One problem they never counted on... Republicans took control of the House in 2010 and they have been playing goalie to protect their evil plan ever since. Mid-term 2014 they lose the Senate and Obama is left alone to play goalie alone with his veto. I think hatred will be so strong, that Congress will over-ride his veto. Then the healing can begin with common sense solutions.

I'm thinking Chris Christie in 2016. He has proven his ability to work with the entire country... plus I love his Jersey style!

Edit: I spelled Christie's name wrong... sacrilege!

Though I wish i had your hopefullness, I dont see Republicans taking the senate....i hope they do but I dont really see it....i think Republicans are going to have an uphill battle keeping the House after they were main cause of the Government shutdown.

And i think Chris Christie would be a good candidate but at same time, he's been bashed by his own party a few times, especially when he complimented Obama after the Hurricane that hit NJ. I dont like how people cant come out saying how they feel even if its thanking someone just because he's in the other party. He is also quite overweight, and i do think Image can play a role as well