So I've heard it from two independent sources that my boss might be on the way out, this has obviously gotten me bit worried.

 

As far as work is concerned, I think I'm pretty good at what I do and pretty much analyze as well as operationalise things single handedly in my dept.

 

Downsides that can be negatives is I am routinely late lol, but I stay late if I have to get things done, and browse a lot of cn if they're monitoring logs, these things tho haven't been mentioned to me directly or indirectly.

 

My boss is pretty bad at perception management and generally there's alot of shit politics at work sometimes. I generally try to stay out of that and am helpful and respectful to other managers etc. Unfortunately there are some ethnic based lobbies here and I'm not part of that or could ever be. I understand that and try to avoid any negatives with such lobbies.

 

I got promoted about two months back too, from a management trainee to a junior management, all in all, I fall in management cadre but ATM, within that cadre I'm at the bottom of the food chain.

 

Nonetheless, I'm worried obviously.

 

My plan of action is:

- Keep the rumours to myself, don't go around telling anyone or my boss- Stay respectful and loyal to my boss, I avoid gossiping as a rule and just throw diplobs if such things are being talked about.

- Come early and go late.

- keep calm and do the job, go full cylinders nitro mode until things calm down at least.

- Start actively seeking other opportunities.

 

 

All in all, I earn three times the average of our university class that passed out, pay is therefore good and I'm at a good place financially, tho the work culture (ethnic lobbies etc and related politics) are shit, but bearable for the time being.

 

What are your thoughts?

Edited January 27, 201511 yr by Shahenshah

you scared your whole department is getting scrapped or another indication it wouldn't just be your boss? Or perhaps worried the replacement would overturn alot, including your own post?

sounds like a good start. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. 

 

Maybe try if possible unless you have to to stay late. Many employers don't like it too much. Unless you're working off the clock for them. 

Our dept is Sales and marketing. There is one sales guy and I am the marketing guy, plus our boss, who is more marketing type than sales, so we are total of three guys.

Well, in our particular division, staying late is good, koz the CEO himself stays late than anyone else, I personally hate having my work life balance disrupted, tho I can pretend otherwise for the time being.

 

As for replacement guy, well I don't know, perhaps its the concern of unknown.

Edited January 27, 201511 yr by Shahenshah

Well if the rumors are true and your boss gets the axe, maybe you work for people that are smart enough to fire him and promote you.

I just got one recently, I doubt I'd get any anytime soon.

Ok new development is I've heard about him in hot waters from other sources, one person told me they don't feel they need him because i can do same work at less than 3x the salary he gets.

 

I have also gotten two projects, they've been marketed to me as part of my development plan to show I can work independently. One project is to increase M-o-M sales of a category by 60%, its ridiculous. But I've got some good friends in sales who all do me the favor.

 

So things are getting interesting, it appears my boss is now aware of the trouble he is in, so he is all weird, sometimes, he's ok, sometimes he is not, in either case I'm now working on full cylinders.

Oh Boy, overtime, same pay!

Good Luck my friend.  Stay Cool.

 

CC 

It sounds like you have it covered. I work public sector and the pay gap to my boss is only about 33% more than my current salary, so tbh it sounds strange to here that someone can head a team of 2 and earn 3 times as much, especially if they are not considered to add value as an individual. So it could be a sensible restructure. 

Yea, I just need to execute the two projects, I have the internal and external teams aligned but I need to get those things on the paper now. 

 

I invited the external Sales guy to my house today, we sat down and jotted the plan down between us but...he is getting married so he'll be off in a week's time for a month lol, talk about random wrenches in your master plans.

 

The coming week is gonna be hell. But I'll make sure to land a nuke daily, cant have Mand, Imran racing me out on the race

 

@Ice, yea, gap is what it is, I dont mind all that stuff, what I mind is how all of this is happening with lack of transparency.  

Edited February 6, 201511 yr by Shahenshah

Sorry, I'm a Union guy and don't have to look for a job. As most of you know, I move from job to job on a pretty regular basis. Not many politics going on in my line of work, but we do have several occasions of backstabbing when it's time for the lay offs to start. The backstabbers are usually the guys that can't live a week without a paycheck.

 

The one thing I would like to add is the same thing I tell my apprentices....Have a huge "Go fuck yourself fund". You need to have enough money saved so at any time you can walk in and tell the boss "Go fuck yourself, I quit!! The GFYF is not only to be able to quit, it is also to make sure if you do lose your job you can make it at least 6 months while looking for another one.

Yea, I just need to execute the two projects, I have the internal and external teams aligned but I need to get those things on the paper now. 

 

I invited the external Sales guy to my house today, we sat down and jotted the plan down between us but...he is getting married so he'll be off in a week's time for a month lol, talk about random wrenches in your master plans.

 

The coming week is gonna be hell. But I'll make sure to land a nuke daily, cant have Mand, Imran racing me out on the race

 

@Ice, yea, gap is what it is, I dont mind all that stuff, what I mind is how all of this is happening with lack of transparency.  

Lack of transparency is a dumb move. If they are restructuring it should be in the open, if it is a sacking rather than a redundancy it shouldn't be leaking like that. They risk losing good employees who don't like political games that way.

Its done, boss given notice. So much work, FML.

FML ... unfamiliar, guessing screw my life ... close?

 

Any indications this is the end of it?  Are they looking for a replacement or to "make do"?

 

I'm sure you are making a good show for yourself, but don't be afraid to arrange things so when it's time to go looking that others can see it too!  Good Times don't last forever OR always return after a rough patch.  I'm not saying "Plan on leaving", I'm saying plan so that IF you leave, it can be easier rather than harder.

 

Good Luck, Shah!

CC 

i know it hurts now, but try to keep track of everything you are doing that used to be your boss's responsibility. I wouldn't hope too much for an internal promotion (unless you are really lucky or your management is actually smart), but you're more likely to get a better job at another company if you have the experience needed, even without the title.

Years ago when I was management one thing I always did was before taking over a new position I got a job description laying out the duties and responsiblilties of the position. It was amazing how often when I took over a new position that the job description was so out of date that it bore little resemblance to the duties of the job at present. This was so that when my boss asked me to take on work and responsibilities beyond my present job description the next year at salary review time I could document an increased level of work and responsibility to justify asking for a raise.     

 

This ties into what Duderonomy said above as well.

Yeah, anyone who isn't willing to negotiate for a raise will never get one. This sad fact is why the average job stay has become 2-4 years rather than the lifetime that Baby Boomers had. Less than 2 years doesn't give you enough time to master your position and give your employer a positive return. More than 4 years without a promotion means you aren't getting one.

 

Smart management recognizes the benefit of rewarding competent employees, but most would rather have bigger bonuses than lower turnover.

So just an update

 

- boss asked to leave

- started reporting to ceo

- ceo left, new ceo

- started reporting to new ceo

- new HoD coming, will report to her from tomorrow.

 

cest la vie

Well, at least you have facetime (virtual even if not personal) with the CEO. Keep track of the numbers and duties while you ran the department. Look for a new job, if you'd like to move up. It's obvious this company won't promote you when they just had a big opportunity to do so.

 

All up what you want to do. If you don't care, then just sit pretty as long as you can. Just make sure the new boss trusts you. In my experience, HoDs generally dislike anyone they didn't hire so watch out for that. I've had to change jobs because HoDs favored their own hirees over me.

Plenty of stuff to be learned from new HoD, some critical for my career. Nonetheless yea, I definitely don't see myself here in medium long term. That is crystal clear.

Fast forward, my new hot HoD was transferred to other division in Feb, they wanted me to handle all the stuff at 1/5th of the salary, yes that's not happening. Tho, I did work things out as a professional for as long as I could. With nothing to learn but herd headless chickens, and HR having total lack of anything ready for me career wise, my motivation was now completely down the drain. It was really hard mentally, I was taking stress. My CEO was now boss again, he's an extremely good guy and professional. But CEOs don't have the time to groom and teach you and my ambitions were now diverging way too much from current trajectory of the career.

 

I found another job, 25% fixed pay rise, can go up to 40℅ with variable component. I took it, and have resigned from existing job.

 

I'm serving notice period and currently in a state of dont-give-a-fuck about anything :-).

 

I really feel CN is totally dead politically at the moment, I login to see what's going on here and keep nation alive. OWF is more of toxic shit hole then it has ever been. I've tried several games over the last couple months and OWF by far is the worst. If I look back and see the moment of no return, it has to bethe cultural shift of lulz taking over after Karma. I'm not taking about political changes or other power centres taking over, but for OWF to be dissolved down to shit talking.

 

Keeping myself busy with dota2, wow and Eve.

Congratulations on moving on, Shah!

Fast forward, my new hot HoD was transferred to other division in Feb, they wanted me to handle all the stuff at 1/5th of the salary, yes that's not happening. Tho, I did work things out as a professional for as long as I could. With nothing to learn but herd headless chickens, and HR having total lack of anything ready for me career wise, my motivation was now completely down the drain. It was really hard mentally, I was taking stress. My CEO was now boss again, he's an extremely good guy and professional. But CEOs don't have the time to groom and teach you and my ambitions were now diverging way too much from current trajectory of the career.

 

I found another job, 25% fixed pay rise, can go up to 40℅ with variable component. I took it, and have resigned from existing job.

 

I'm serving notice period and currently in a state of dont-give-a-fuck about anything :-).

 

I really feel CN is totally dead politically at the moment, I login to see what's going on here and keep nation alive. OWF is more of toxic shit hole then it has ever been. I've tried several games over the last couple months and OWF by far is the worst. If I look back and see the moment of no return, it has to bethe cultural shift of lulz taking over after Karma. I'm not taking about political changes or other power centres taking over, but for OWF to be dissolved down to shit talking.

 

Keeping myself busy with dota2, wow and Eve.

 

Are you saying you're leaving CN? 

 

The game did get way less fun after Karma. That war was the height of the game (at least, in my opinion.) But as for the OWF being a toxic shithole.... I mean, yes, it was/ is. But pre-Karma (or at least pre-WotC) people were too scared to voice any kind of opposition to NPO/ 1V. The IOs went around threatening everyone. It's years ago now but I literally remember some random guy expressing disagreement with NPO imposing a viceroy on GATO and Z'ha'dum was like "Is that the official position of your alliance?" in his most sinister way.

 

Yeah, I know it's a bit weird that I'm so obviously a Karma supporter and yet I'm now an IRON member. I'll just say that I joined IRON in spite of my views on politics because I thought you guys were cool. :> Glad things have worked out for you irl Shah.

Congrats on the new job Shah, if there is no way up you need to move on.