I don't think he's dead however.

 

Also Jon Snow, is definitely dead. The actor confirmed this.

 

 

Also Jon Snow, is definitely dead. The actor confirmed this.

This is super disappointing. I was hoping that by the way it was left in the last chapter of the 5th book that it was more of a 'maybe' than definite. It closes one of the most interesting possible story arcs of him being a Targaryen. Bummer.

I wouldn't worry too much. I can't speak for the show because they change so much, but I'm not convinced he's "dead" in the books. You know there is a character left out of the show that jon would fit perfectly and would probably only require his voice.

Damn, I was really looking for to Stannis taking Winterfell and killing that psychotic flayed-man prince guy.

In general, despite Stannis being semi-evil & crazy, he's been the lesser of 'most' evils. I had kinda been rooting for him.

I mean, can you blame him for listening to the Fire Priest lady? That shadow assassin shit DID work, hell I'd start believing her too.

That was the single most depressing episode ever. I really love to hate Cersei, but even that was over the top. Pity the fools who left her alive after doing that to her. Arya is in a pickle... she wants so badly to become an assassin elite to avenge her family, but the guy she trusted to teach her is a religious zealot with a code. Now she's blind? Arya is my favorite character in the show, and she's in a bad way now. Jon's death is a surprise. Now the Nights Watch is on their own and will probably kill the Wildlings. Stannis is done... burned Shireen, Selyse hung herself, and I knew she would after that burning scene... and Brienne always swore to kill Stannis. He's dead. Best thing that happened was Theon finally grew back a nut sack and killed that bitch Myranda. That was a high fall... but who knows, they grew up together, so they may have jumped into the snow powder hundereds of times as children. Dany is back with the Dothraki and knows them. They will have a new Khal, and they will know each other. I feel a new alliance forming after the dust settles. Tyrion and Varys always have the best scenes and this one did not disappoint. They will work well together. The looming absence of Petyr Baelish tells me he returned to the Vale, and patiently waits for everyone to kill everyone else. He will have the only army left in Westeros and can then sieze power. We shall see...

I wouldn't worry too much. I can't speak for the show because they change so much, but I'm not convinced he's "dead" in the books. You know there is a character left out of the show that jon would fit perfectly and would probably only require his voice.

Yeah I agree with this being a possibility.

 

Damn, I was really looking for to Stannis taking Winterfell and killing that psychotic flayed-man prince guy.

 

In general, despite Stannis being semi-evil & crazy, he's been the lesser of 'most' evils. I had kinda been rooting for him.

 

I mean, can you blame him for listening to the Fire Priest lady? That shadow assassin shit DID work, hell I'd start believing her too.

Yeah lol, that shadow assassin would've made me believe anything tbh.

 

Sacrificing his daughter who loved him so much and sitting there and listening to her crying as she was burnt alive.. There is no evil higher than this. He's the devil himself.

That was the single most depressing episode ever. I really love to hate Cersei, but even that was over the top. Pity the fools who left her alive after doing that to her. Arya is in a pickle... she wants so badly to become an assassin elite to avenge her family, but the guy she trusted to teach her is a religious zealot with a code. Now she's blind? Arya is my favorite character in the show, and she's in a bad way now. Jon's death is a surprise. Now the Nights Watch is on their own and will probably kill the Wildlings. Stannis is done... burned Shireen, Selyse hung herself, and I knew she would after that burning scene... and Brienne always swore to kill Stannis. He's dead. Best thing that happened was Theon finally grew back a nut sack and killed that bitch Myranda. That was a high fall... but who knows, they grew up together, so they may have jumped into the snow powder hundereds of times as children. Dany is back with the Dothraki and knows them. They will have a new Khal, and they will know each other. I feel a new alliance forming after the dust settles. Tyrion and Varys always have the best scenes and this one did not disappoint. They will work well together. The looming absence of Petyr Baelish tells me he returned to the Vale, and patiently waits for everyone to kill everyone else. He will have the only army left in Westeros and can then sieze power. We shall see...

Nice summary/opinions here.

 

Cersei still looked fucking hot with her hair cut and them titties tho.. That religion woman that came to her everyday is dead, dead dead.

 

I didn't understand who that tall knight that carried her away was though?

 

I think Theon & Sansa are alive and unarmed, Sansa looked pretty confident jumping without any hestitation, so they know what they were doing.

 

Also what the hell happened to Bran & Rickon? Not a peep from them this season, cliffhanger still remains from season 4. Anyone who read the 5th book, are they involved at all?

 

That was the single most depressing episode ever. I really love to hate Cersei, but even that was over the top. Pity the fools who left her alive after doing that to her. Arya is in a pickle... she wants so badly to become an assassin elite to avenge her family, but the guy she trusted to teach her is a religious zealot with a code. Now she's blind? Arya is my favorite character in the show, and she's in a bad way now. Jon's death is a surprise. Now the Nights Watch is on their own and will probably kill the Wildlings. Stannis is done... burned Shireen, Selyse hung herself, and I knew she would after that burning scene... and Brienne always swore to kill Stannis. He's dead. Best thing that happened was Theon finally grew back a nut sack and killed that bitch Myranda. That was a high fall... but who knows, they grew up together, so they may have jumped into the snow powder hundereds of times as children. Dany is back with the Dothraki and knows them. They will have a new Khal, and they will know each other. I feel a new alliance forming after the dust settles. Tyrion and Varys always have the best scenes and this one did not disappoint. They will work well together. The looming absence of Petyr Baelish tells me he returned to the Vale, and patiently waits for everyone to kill everyone else. He will have the only army left in Westeros and can then sieze power. We shall see...

Nice summary/opinions here.

 

Cersei still looked fucking hot with her hair cut and them titties tho.. That religion woman that came to her everyday is dead, dead dead.

 

I didn't understand who that tall knight that carried her away was though?

 

I think Theon & Sansa are alive and unarmed, Sansa looked pretty confident jumping without any hestitation, so they know what they were doing.

 

Also what the hell happened to Bran & Rickon? Not a peep from them this season, cliffhanger still remains from season 4. Anyone who read the 5th book, are they involved at all?

 

The huge knight is what remains of Ser Gregor Clegane... The Mountain. Qyburn "changed" him. I knew Bran was out of season 5 before it began. I'm pretty positive he will become the new worg master. Rickon and Osha were last seen on their way to Umber castle, bannermen of the Stark's. I would say he's there in hiding.

 

That was the single most depressing episode ever. I really love to hate Cersei, but even that was over the top. Pity the fools who left her alive after doing that to her. Arya is in a pickle... she wants so badly to become an assassin elite to avenge her family, but the guy she trusted to teach her is a religious zealot with a code. Now she's blind? Arya is my favorite character in the show, and she's in a bad way now. Jon's death is a surprise. Now the Nights Watch is on their own and will probably kill the Wildlings. Stannis is done... burned Shireen, Selyse hung herself, and I knew she would after that burning scene... and Brienne always swore to kill Stannis. He's dead. Best thing that happened was Theon finally grew back a nut sack and killed that bitch Myranda. That was a high fall... but who knows, they grew up together, so they may have jumped into the snow powder hundereds of times as children. Dany is back with the Dothraki and knows them. They will have a new Khal, and they will know each other. I feel a new alliance forming after the dust settles. Tyrion and Varys always have the best scenes and this one did not disappoint. They will work well together. The looming absence of Petyr Baelish tells me he returned to the Vale, and patiently waits for everyone to kill everyone else. He will have the only army left in Westeros and can then sieze power. We shall see...

Nice summary/opinions here.

 

Cersei still looked fucking hot with her hair cut and them titties tho.. That religion woman that came to her everyday is dead, dead dead.

 

I didn't understand who that tall knight that carried her away was though?

 

I think Theon & Sansa are alive and unarmed, Sansa looked pretty confident jumping without any hestitation, so they know what they were doing.

 

Also what the hell happened to Bran & Rickon? Not a peep from them this season, cliffhanger still remains from season 4. Anyone who read the 5th book, are they involved at all?

 

 

This is about Rickon from the books.  It's not real spoilerish, just gives their location and honestly this part of the show is so different I can't imagine it matters much :\

 

 

Rickon and Osha, in the books, are on an island known as Skagos.  This place is pretty terrifying to those in the North, as the islands inhabitants are known to be cannibals.  In the book Ser Davos is on his way there to get them, so that with Rickon leading the way the Northerners will join Stannis against Bolton.

 

That makes sense. I have not heard a thing about Umber since Robb's wolf took a couple fingers off his hand in season one. Bolton seems to have a stranglehold on the north, so if Osha felt it wasn't safe, she would take him to a place where Wildlings know the ground and southerners are afraid to go. Davos could have found out that Rickon is alive out there from Jon and Sam, and could be looking for Rickon in season 6.

 

I do know that in the book, Jon is not killed because of Wildlings, but because he plans to take the Nights Watch to Winterfell to defeat Bolton. In the book, Sansa is not at Winterfell... she's still in the Vale with Baelish, and Ramsay marries a girl named Jayne Poole under the belief she is Arya Stark. In the book, Brienne does not kill Stannis, Shireen is still at Castle Black with her mother and Melisandre, Myrcella and Trystane Martell are not sent to Kings Landing... they stay in Dorne and nobody is poisoned. This page is a wealth of information... http://www.ign.com/wikis/game-of-thrones/Mothers_Mercy_Differences?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

 

 

That was the single most depressing episode ever. I really love to hate Cersei, but even that was over the top. Pity the fools who left her alive after doing that to her. Arya is in a pickle... she wants so badly to become an assassin elite to avenge her family, but the guy she trusted to teach her is a religious zealot with a code. Now she's blind? Arya is my favorite character in the show, and she's in a bad way now. Jon's death is a surprise. Now the Nights Watch is on their own and will probably kill the Wildlings. Stannis is done... burned Shireen, Selyse hung herself, and I knew she would after that burning scene... and Brienne always swore to kill Stannis. He's dead. Best thing that happened was Theon finally grew back a nut sack and killed that bitch Myranda. That was a high fall... but who knows, they grew up together, so they may have jumped into the snow powder hundereds of times as children. Dany is back with the Dothraki and knows them. They will have a new Khal, and they will know each other. I feel a new alliance forming after the dust settles. Tyrion and Varys always have the best scenes and this one did not disappoint. They will work well together. The looming absence of Petyr Baelish tells me he returned to the Vale, and patiently waits for everyone to kill everyone else. He will have the only army left in Westeros and can then sieze power. We shall see...

Nice summary/opinions here.

 

Cersei still looked fucking hot with her hair cut and them titties tho.. That religion woman that came to her everyday is dead, dead dead.

 

I didn't understand who that tall knight that carried her away was though?

 

I think Theon & Sansa are alive and unarmed, Sansa looked pretty confident jumping without any hestitation, so they know what they were doing.

 

Also what the hell happened to Bran & Rickon? Not a peep from them this season, cliffhanger still remains from season 4. Anyone who read the 5th book, are they involved at all?

 

The huge knight is what remains of Ser Gregor Clegane... The Mountain. Qyburn "changed" him. I knew Bran was out of season 5 before it began. I'm pretty positive he will become the new worg master. Rickon and Osha were last seen on their way to Umber castle, bannermen of the Stark's. I would say he's there in hiding.

 

wait a damn second..

 

Didn't that prince kill him in that justice fight for Tyrion?!

 

 

 

That was the single most depressing episode ever. I really love to hate Cersei, but even that was over the top. Pity the fools who left her alive after doing that to her. Arya is in a pickle... she wants so badly to become an assassin elite to avenge her family, but the guy she trusted to teach her is a religious zealot with a code. Now she's blind? Arya is my favorite character in the show, and she's in a bad way now. Jon's death is a surprise. Now the Nights Watch is on their own and will probably kill the Wildlings. Stannis is done... burned Shireen, Selyse hung herself, and I knew she would after that burning scene... and Brienne always swore to kill Stannis. He's dead. Best thing that happened was Theon finally grew back a nut sack and killed that bitch Myranda. That was a high fall... but who knows, they grew up together, so they may have jumped into the snow powder hundereds of times as children. Dany is back with the Dothraki and knows them. They will have a new Khal, and they will know each other. I feel a new alliance forming after the dust settles. Tyrion and Varys always have the best scenes and this one did not disappoint. They will work well together. The looming absence of Petyr Baelish tells me he returned to the Vale, and patiently waits for everyone to kill everyone else. He will have the only army left in Westeros and can then sieze power. We shall see...

Nice summary/opinions here.

 

Cersei still looked fucking hot with her hair cut and them titties tho.. That religion woman that came to her everyday is dead, dead dead.

 

I didn't understand who that tall knight that carried her away was though?

 

I think Theon & Sansa are alive and unarmed, Sansa looked pretty confident jumping without any hestitation, so they know what they were doing.

 

Also what the hell happened to Bran & Rickon? Not a peep from them this season, cliffhanger still remains from season 4. Anyone who read the 5th book, are they involved at all?

 

The huge knight is what remains of Ser Gregor Clegane... The Mountain. Qyburn "changed" him. I knew Bran was out of season 5 before it began. I'm pretty positive he will become the new worg master. Rickon and Osha were last seen on their way to Umber castle, bannermen of the Stark's. I would say he's there in hiding.

 

wait a damn second..

 

Didn't that prince kill him in that justice fight for Tyrion?!

 

He was badly wounded, but not dead. I also believe it's the Mountain. He looked like a gorilla.

 

 

 

 

That was the single most depressing episode ever. I really love to hate Cersei, but even that was over the top. Pity the fools who left her alive after doing that to her. Arya is in a pickle... she wants so badly to become an assassin elite to avenge her family, but the guy she trusted to teach her is a religious zealot with a code. Now she's blind? Arya is my favorite character in the show, and she's in a bad way now. Jon's death is a surprise. Now the Nights Watch is on their own and will probably kill the Wildlings. Stannis is done... burned Shireen, Selyse hung herself, and I knew she would after that burning scene... and Brienne always swore to kill Stannis. He's dead. Best thing that happened was Theon finally grew back a nut sack and killed that bitch Myranda. That was a high fall... but who knows, they grew up together, so they may have jumped into the snow powder hundereds of times as children. Dany is back with the Dothraki and knows them. They will have a new Khal, and they will know each other. I feel a new alliance forming after the dust settles. Tyrion and Varys always have the best scenes and this one did not disappoint. They will work well together. The looming absence of Petyr Baelish tells me he returned to the Vale, and patiently waits for everyone to kill everyone else. He will have the only army left in Westeros and can then sieze power. We shall see...

Nice summary/opinions here.

 

Cersei still looked fucking hot with her hair cut and them titties tho.. That religion woman that came to her everyday is dead, dead dead.

 

I didn't understand who that tall knight that carried her away was though?

 

I think Theon & Sansa are alive and unarmed, Sansa looked pretty confident jumping without any hestitation, so they know what they were doing.

 

Also what the hell happened to Bran & Rickon? Not a peep from them this season, cliffhanger still remains from season 4. Anyone who read the 5th book, are they involved at all?

 

The huge knight is what remains of Ser Gregor Clegane... The Mountain. Qyburn "changed" him. I knew Bran was out of season 5 before it began. I'm pretty positive he will become the new worg master. Rickon and Osha were last seen on their way to Umber castle, bannermen of the Stark's. I would say he's there in hiding.

 

wait a damn second..

 

Didn't that prince kill him in that justice fight for Tyrion?!

 

He was badly wounded, but not dead. I also believe it's the Mountain. He looked like a gorilla.

 

 

Heh, well...badly wounded by the Viper is death.  Ser Gregor had zero chance of survival, and whatever Qyburn cooked up is much closer to Frankenstein's monster than Gregor being "healed."  I don't remember how well it's portrayed in the show, but in the books I feel it's hinted pretty heavily that Qyburn has a love for harvesting live organs and body parts.

Oberyn had poison on his spear blades. The Mountain was taken up to Qyburn's lab where he would die until Cercei gave him permission to keep him alive using his "unsanctioned" skills. Qyburn warned her that the process would change him. She then asked if it would weaken him, and Qyburn replied rather sarcastically... "oh... no". The creature is Gregor Clegane. Too bad, I liked his brother and would have preferred him to live.

Oberyn had poison on his spear blades. The Mountain was taken up to Qyburn's lab where he would die until Cercei gave him permission to keep him alive using his "unsanctioned" skills. Qyburn warned her that the process would change him. She then asked if it would weaken him, and Qyburn replied rather sarcastically... "oh... no". The creature is Gregor Clegane. Too bad, I liked his brother and would have preferred him to live.

Are you a book reader? There's a pretty solid fan theory that The Hound managed to survive.

 

Oberyn had poison on his spear blades. The Mountain was taken up to Qyburn's lab where he would die until Cercei gave him permission to keep him alive using his "unsanctioned" skills. Qyburn warned her that the process would change him. She then asked if it would weaken him, and Qyburn replied rather sarcastically... "oh... no". The creature is Gregor Clegane. Too bad, I liked his brother and would have preferred him to live.

Are you a book reader? There's a pretty solid fan theory that The Hound managed to survive.

 

No, I have read no books. Anything I found out I got from Wiki sites, and that's only because I was curious about the fate of Syrio Forel and just could not stop reading. I "accidentally" read about the Red Wedding, the death of Oberyn, and how the Hound goes down this way. It was no fun knowing what would happen in the show... so I banned myself from searching further. I did read comments that talked about Jon Snow getting stabbed, but nothing about him getting killed. That's a surprise.

 

If the Hound lived, I would have thought that Brienne and Podrick would have found and helped him after the fight. This was not the case. I find it hard to believe that Arya would go down there and have an entire conversation with him, but the knightly Brienne and the wannabe knightly Podrick would just leave without at least giving him a decent burial. He was afterall, a Kingsguard.

There is just a part in the books where a red priest mentions burying "the hound." It kind of implies that Sandor tossed aside the hound and reformed his life. Probably not something that will be proven one way or the other though.

 

So, I didn't mention this because I watch low quality first releases, but I felt like Jon Snows eyes changed toward the end of the episode, they became lighter. I saw it being discussed online today and figured I'd mention it. Could be a trick of the light, but his eyes definitely seem to take on a lighter hue.

Edited June 18, 201511 yr by FOReverNShade

There is just a part in the books where a red priest mentions burying "the hound." It kind of implies that Sandor tossed aside the hound and reformed his life. Probably not something that will be proven one way or the other though.

 

So, I didn't mention this because I watch low quality first releases, but I felt like Jon Snows eyes changed toward the end of the episode, they became lighter. I saw it being discussed online today and figured I'd mention it. Could be a trick of the light, but his eyes definitely seem to take on a lighter hue.

I'll have to watch the episode again for the 4th time to see this lightening of the eyes. I fast forward through Cersei's street scene... that's too long and painful to watch again. When I watched it the first time, for some reason, my 50" plasma was too dark to make out the words on the sign that the Nights Watch guys put up for their execution of Jon... I had to watch the extra "About The Eposode" thing where I was able to see that it said... "Traitor". May be time to buy a new television, my Pioneer has been good to me.

There is just a part in the books where a red priest mentions burying "the hound." It kind of implies that Sandor tossed aside the hound and reformed his life. Probably not something that will be proven one way or the other though.

 

So, I didn't mention this because I watch low quality first releases, but I felt like Jon Snows eyes changed toward the end of the episode, they became lighter. I saw it being discussed online today and figured I'd mention it. Could be a trick of the light, but his eyes definitely seem to take on a lighter hue.

Could be possible John Snow turned is/was a white walker.. But what turned him and when? He didn't die at the wildings battle, so that's a no.

 

But thinking more about this, i'm pretty sure that white walker general touched his skin somewhere in that little skirmish??

 

I'm pretty sure you can be transformed into a white walker by touch alone

 

Look at this scene:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ZFVjYy_Ak

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

 

There is just a part in the books where a red priest mentions burying "the hound." It kind of implies that Sandor tossed aside the hound and reformed his life. Probably not something that will be proven one way or the other though.

 

So, I didn't mention this because I watch low quality first releases, but I felt like Jon Snows eyes changed toward the end of the episode, they became lighter. I saw it being discussed online today and figured I'd mention it. Could be a trick of the light, but his eyes definitely seem to take on a lighter hue.

I'll have to watch the episode again for the 4th time to see this lightening of the eyes. I fast forward through Cersei's street scene... that's too long and painful to watch again. When I watched it the first time, for some reason, my 50" plasma was too dark to make out the words on the sign that the Nights Watch guys put up for their execution of Jon... I had to watch the extra "About The Eposode" thing where I was able to see that it said... "Traitor". May be time to buy a new television, my Pioneer has been good to me.

 

SHAME SHAME.

Well, as for why he turns and what he turns into, I dunno.

 

Personally, I think it will have something to do with his Stark blood.  The Wall was originally built by Bran the Builder, aka Brandon Stark.  It's very possible the WWs need Stark blood to bring it down.  I also think it is possible that Bran, Jons brother, somehow plays a role in his survival.  There is a character in the books, Coldhands, who seems to be a wight/or white walker, and a former member of the nights watch.  He has his memories and is very old and rides a big ass elk.  Nothing is really known about him, but he's the primary reason that people believe JS will be coming back.  No one knows how Coldhands was resurrected, though.  I mean, all the Starks to this point have shown some form of power because of their blood.  Bran has gone straight fantasy world, and even the girls had abnormally strong connections with their wolves (in the books Arya still enters the mind of her wolf through dreams, and her wolf is leading a giant wolf army and fucking shit up).

 

Regardless of what happens, I think there is just too much about Jon Snow that screams "he's not really dead."  If he is really dead, then you might as well just chalk this entire series up as a 'W' for the white walkers since the only 2 guys who seemed like they were going to do anything about it got off'd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHqzFwodZqQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHqzFwodZqQ&feature=youtu.be

I thought this to be the true theory about Jon Snow. It makes sense because Ned just never struck me as the cheating on his wife type. He would take his promise to his dying sister to the grave, and to protect her son from certain death. I have known this theory for a long time, but I can't think of any way for it to come out now that everyone that knows about it has died, except maybe those 3 that were with Ned that survived the attack on the tower. It will be fun to see how it plays out.

 

Edit: Another thing that supports this theory is that Melisandre took quite an interest in Jon Snow. She knows Kings Blood when she sees it.

Edited June 20, 201511 yr by Lysistrata

 

There is just a part in the books where a red priest mentions burying "the hound." It kind of implies that Sandor tossed aside the hound and reformed his life. Probably not something that will be proven one way or the other though.

 

So, I didn't mention this because I watch low quality first releases, but I felt like Jon Snows eyes changed toward the end of the episode, they became lighter. I saw it being discussed online today and figured I'd mention it. Could be a trick of the light, but his eyes definitely seem to take on a lighter hue.

Could be possible John Snow turned is/was a white walker.. But what turned him and when? He didn't die at the wildings battle, so that's a no.

 

But thinking more about this, i'm pretty sure that white walker general touched his skin somewhere in that little skirmish??

 

I'm pretty sure you can be transformed into a white walker by touch alone

 

Look at this scene:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ZFVjYy_Ak

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

Fucking Crastor.

 

He's been seeding the WW population, in the books, dragons indicate rise of majic in the world, perhaps the rising power of WW indicates the same thing, the rise of magic is leading to their rising power and all host of wierd/unnatural stuff coming out of the wierd woods. 

 

Also, the red priestess coming back to Castle Black is a strong indication she will make Jon rise again. 

 

also

must read page for all the fans to generate theories:

 

“ Finally he looked north. He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him. ”

This may be a foretelling of the events in Jon Snow's last chapter in A Dance with Dragons, opening the possibility that he is dead. Alternatively, Jon Snow may be confined to an ice cell in this vision.

“ Now you know, the crow whispered as it sat on his shoulder. Now you know why you must live.

"Why?" Bran said, not understanding, falling, falling.

Because winter is coming.^[17]

”

This suggests Bran's importance in the coming events.

Edited June 20, 201511 yr by Shahenshah