So, it seems there's been multiple Islamist terror attacks in Paris, in at least 6 locations, it's all over the news.

 

Maybe it's fucking time to end the tiptoeing and steamroll ISIS into the ground?

Hi Ice... It took you a while to type all that out... makes me wonder what your investment is. You believe we have an immigration problem, that we have a moral obligation, and signed documents, that say we must allow refugees into our countries.

 

I have a few questions just to get an idea of how your brain works...

 

So how many people have to die before you call it a terrorist problem?

When does our moral obligation become a suicide pact?

When do we take their death threats seriously and understand that they have declared war on us all?

Bernie Sanders said last night that terrorism is caused by "climate change"... Do you agree?

Can you say... "Radical Islam"?

 

I don't know where you live... from our conversations, I'll take a guess at the UK. Please refresh my memory... how many German refugees did England take care of during WW2? We put our Japanese in camps, over 100,000 of them. We do what we must during a time of war, and this is war.

On my phone so a fairly short response.

 

I don't like the term radical islam because it supposes the actions are linked to and carried out under a legitimate form of islam, and IS is not a legitimate form of Islam.

 

The UK took in refugees in world war 2 through the kindertransport scheme. In hindsight it should have taken far more aa tgose not taken died.

 

I never said it was a terrorist problem instead I said it shouldn't be treated as a pure immigration problem. The overwhelming majority of attackers are french nationals which means that the current immigration issues are not a direct cause, and therefore ut is hard to see why our moral and legal obligations are voided.

 

I haven't seen Sandera comment but certainly climate change creates conditions that make it easier for terrorists to recruit, such as displaced populations, food shortages and economic disruption.

I don't like the term radical islam because it supposes the actions are linked to and carried out under a legitimate form of islam, and IS is not a legitimate form of Islam.

Yes it is. What makes you think it isn't?

Yep, just what I thought.

 

Thank you for the Kindertransport answer... 10,000 Jewish children before the war started, the little Nazi's need not apply. Plenty of time to convert them into little British soldiers. Their parents that were not invited were grateful I'm sure. I wonder if anyone came up with an idea to determine which Germans were the legitimate Germans? I know... sounds crazy doesn't it?

 

Okay we'll make you a deal... We'll take all of the Christians, and all of the children... you take their parents.

 

I woke up this morning and low and behold... climate change!... it's 46 degrees outside in Las Vegas. How did that happen? But you know, I still don't feel like killing anyone. Maybe because displaced populations, food shortages, and economic disruptions are caused by war... not the weather. The mid-east was sand before... and it's still sand.

 

I know many, many, let's just say... a whole helluva lot of liberals. They are all wonderful people... then they start talking about what they "feel" needs to be done, and I just smile at them, nod my head, and say "You're a lunatic aren't you?"

The UK took in adult refugees as well who escaped from the advancing German army.

 

In any case the fact is that was largely carried out by French nationals. So linking it to the refugee situation is largely a sideshow.

 

Also the middle east is not just sand. There are plenty of farms and oasis there. When water sources run dry and crops fail populations move and suffer. When floods increase and sea levels rise it damages economies and displaces people.

 

Somali piracy and the attached funding for groups now linked to Islamic state arose after overfishing ended legitimate ways to earn money. What do you think will happen if ocean temperature and acidity changes wipes out the coral reefs and ends half the world's fishing?

Well the UK has been good for Belgium on the refugee side.

 

And if you want to complain about WWII, the war was just a tad faster that time, not much time to flee.

 

And for the "only kids", the first refugees in Suria were also woman and children, you don't happen to know why most of the men didn't flee now do you?

Okay, You believe all this is caused by climate change. I don't believe that... I believe you either have a liberal agenda, or you follow those who do. I'm still against bringing Syrian refugees to the United States. So what now?

Okay, You believe all this is caused by climate change. I don't believe that... I believe you either have a liberal agenda, or you follow those who do. I'm still against bringing Syrian refugees to the United States. So what now?

It's so much easier to talk about refugees if there is an Atlantic Ocean separating you and the problem right?

Yes it is easier, but they are still coming. That's why NATO should declare war and wipe these guys out, but Obama will not do a thing. I think he smoked a doob and just wants to meditate on what he called "a setback". Disgraceful.

All this ado about one attack. Western media bias at its most shameful display and the racists and atheists jumping up and down in glee. Where is your outrage about the Lebanon bombing? Somehow western lives are more valuable? Its reinforces your views that muslims are the evil incarnate. ISIS killing other muslims doesnt fit your propaganda..so safely push it under the rug so that you can paint all muslims by the example of some fanatic killers who were actually the direct result of western fuckups in the mid-east region.

 

But for some in Beirut, that solidarity was mixed with anguish over the fact that just one of the stricken cities — Paris — received a global outpouring of sympathy akin to the one lavished on the United States after the 9/11 attacks.

Monuments around the world lit up in the colors of the French flag; presidential speeches touted the need to defend “shared values;” Facebook offered users a one-click option to overlay their profile pictures with the French tricolor, a service not offered for the Lebanese flag. On Friday the social media giant even activated Safety Check, a feature usually reserved for natural disasters that lets people alert loved ones that they are unhurt; they had not activated it the day before for Beirut.

“When my people died, no country bothered to light up its landmarks in the colors of their flag,” Elie Fares, a Lebanese doctor, wrote on his blog. “When my people died, they did not send the world into mourning. Their death was but an irrelevant fleck along the international news cycle, something that happens in those parts of the world.”

The implication, numerous Lebanese commentators complained, was that Arab lives mattered less. Either that, or that their country — relatively calm despite the war next door — was perceived as a place where carnage is the norm, an undifferentiated corner of a basket-case region.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?_r=0

I think you are correct on that. Bombs going off in that part of the world is business as usual... plus the United States and France have been allies since our country was created, so yes, our media has been flooded with the Paris attack. I never heard about this Lebanon thing until now, but even if I did it would just be seen as just another terrorist attack in an area that loves to blow people up. It's to be expected, and it's another example that the area is completely out of control. They need some law and order and some stunningly harsh punishment. Saddam was good that that kind of thing.

 

On the other hand, I am utterly sick of hearing people complain about anyone's life mattering.

Okay, You believe all this is caused by climate change. I don't believe that... I believe you either have a liberal agenda, or you follow those who do. I'm still against bringing Syrian refugees to the United States. So what now?

I didn't say that IS was caused by climate change. I just said it would contribute to conditions that help terrorism grow.

 

I have ni idea what a liberal agenda is so I cannot comment on that.

 

Okay, You believe all this is caused by climate change. I don't believe that... I believe you either have a liberal agenda, or you follow those who do. I'm still against bringing Syrian refugees to the United States. So what now?

I didn't say that IS was caused by climate change. I just said it would contribute to conditions that help terrorism grow.

 

I have ni idea what a liberal agenda is so I cannot comment on that.

 

Oh you said it "would contribute"... as in, it has not happened yet. Yes, I know that. According to Al Gore, New York City was supposed to be under water by now if we did not go with his plan of Cap and Trade. This was designed as a scam to scare people into believing that their mere existence is destroying the planet. So they must require, by law, a system of buying and selling carbon credits in order to keep it from happening. When you looked at who gets rich over this scheme, it all becomes clear why it was proposed. Even Democrats were not stupid enough to go along with this bullshit.

 

The only reason you keep hearing about climate change is because powerful people want it to happen, and keep talking about it. When Obama is finished in about a year, and we get a new powerful person that knows it's bullshit, you will hear much less about it. Obama is doing all he can now, to have something to stick into his library... he's only concerned about his "legacy".

All this ado about one attack. Western media bias at its most shameful display and the racists and atheists jumping up and down in glee. Where is your outrage about the Lebanon bombing? Somehow western lives are more valuable? Its reinforces your views that muslims are the evil incarnate. ISIS killing other muslims doesnt fit your propaganda..so safely push it under the rug so that you can paint all muslims by the example of some fanatic killers who were actually the direct result of western fuckups in the mid-east region.

 

 

But for some in Beirut, that solidarity was mixed with anguish over the fact that just one of the stricken cities — Paris — received a global outpouring of sympathy akin to the one lavished on the United States after the 9/11 attacks.

Monuments around the world lit up in the colors of the French flag; presidential speeches touted the need to defend “shared values;” Facebook offered users a one-click option to overlay their profile pictures with the French tricolor, a service not offered for the Lebanese flag. On Friday the social media giant even activated Safety Check, a feature usually reserved for natural disasters that lets people alert loved ones that they are unhurt; they had not activated it the day before for Beirut.

“When my people died, no country bothered to light up its landmarks in the colors of their flag,” Elie Fares, a Lebanese doctor, wrote on his blog. “When my people died, they did not send the world into mourning. Their death was but an irrelevant fleck along the international news cycle, something that happens in those parts of the world.”

The implication, numerous Lebanese commentators complained, was that Arab lives mattered less. Either that, or that their country — relatively calm despite the war next door — was perceived as a place where carnage is the norm, an undifferentiated corner of a basket-case region.

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?_r=0

As Lys mentioned, nobody was outraged over the Beirut attacks, because it's just business as usual for that region. The Paris attacks got the attention they did, because it hit closer to home. Hypocritical? Yes, but I've got news for you: that's how humans work. As long as bad things happen far away, nobody cares. Rwanda genocide? Nasty business, but most people can't even point the country out on the map, it could well be on another planet for all they know. When bombs go off in the neighborhood, well, that gets people's attention.

 

The infuriating part is that anyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away. And yet instead of wiping out ISIS and stabilizing the situation to prevent thing from coming to this, western leaders just sat around with their thumbs up their ass.

btw, the Lebanon hit did get news coverage here, we even heared of the 1 brave dad possibly rescueing over a hundred lives.

 

That doesn't stop stuff happening "closer" (both physically as emotionally) to drum out all the rest. Outrage happens all the time, the time the outrage lasts depends on the "nativeness" of the involved parties.

Yes it is easier, but they are still coming. That's why NATO should declare war and wipe these guys out, but Obama will not do a thing. I think he smoked a doob and just wants to meditate on what he called "a setback". Disgraceful.

Lavrov:

 

"Despite announcing ambitious plans for its coalition against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), the analysis of those [uS-led] airstrikes during over a year lead to conclusion that they were hitting selectively, I would say, sparingly and on most occasions didn’t touch those IS units, which were capable of seriously challenging the Syrian army."

 

“Apparently, it’s a kind of a ‘honey is sweet, but the bee stings’ situation: they want IS to weaken Assad as soon as possible to make him leave somehow, but at the same time they don’t want to overly strengthen IS, which may then seize power."

 

"The US stance seriously weakens the prospects of Syria to remain a secular state, where the rights of all ethnic and religious groups will be provided and guaranteed,”

 

"Russia’s assessment of the US-led anti-terror operation in Syria is based on observations of specific results and there are little results, not to say there are none – except the fact that during this period [since August 2014] the Islamic State has grown on the territories they control.”

 

All this ado about one attack. Western media bias at its most shameful display and the racists and atheists jumping up and down in glee. Where is your outrage about the Lebanon bombing? Somehow western lives are more valuable? Its reinforces your views that muslims are the evil incarnate. ISIS killing other muslims doesnt fit your propaganda..so safely push it under the rug so that you can paint all muslims by the example of some fanatic killers who were actually the direct result of western fuckups in the mid-east region.

 

But for some in Beirut, that solidarity was mixed with anguish over the fact that just one of the stricken cities — Paris — received a global outpouring of sympathy akin to the one lavished on the United States after the 9/11 attacks.

Monuments around the world lit up in the colors of the French flag; presidential speeches touted the need to defend “shared values;” Facebook offered users a one-click option to overlay their profile pictures with the French tricolor, a service not offered for the Lebanese flag. On Friday the social media giant even activated Safety Check, a feature usually reserved for natural disasters that lets people alert loved ones that they are unhurt; they had not activated it the day before for Beirut.

“When my people died, no country bothered to light up its landmarks in the colors of their flag,” Elie Fares, a Lebanese doctor, wrote on his blog. “When my people died, they did not send the world into mourning. Their death was but an irrelevant fleck along the international news cycle, something that happens in those parts of the world.”

The implication, numerous Lebanese commentators complained, was that Arab lives mattered less. Either that, or that their country — relatively calm despite the war next door — was perceived as a place where carnage is the norm, an undifferentiated corner of a basket-case region.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?_r=0

As Lys mentioned, nobody was outraged over the Beirut attacks, because it's just business as usual for that region. The Paris attacks got the attention they did, because it hit closer to home. Hypocritical? Yes, but I've got news for you: that's how humans work. As long as bad things happen far away, nobody cares. Rwanda genocide? Nasty business, but most people can't even point the country out on the map, it could well be on another planet for all they know. When bombs go off in the neighborhood, well, that gets people's attention.

The infuriating part is that anyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away. And yet instead of wiping out ISIS and stabilizing the situation to prevent thing from coming to this, western leaders just sat around with their thumbs up their ass.

Thumbs up their ass? No, your leaders are directly responsible for facilitating ISIS growth, your moral outrage is laughable.Your leaders are fine when 500,000 thousand Iraqis and over 200,000 thousand Syrians are killed as a direct result of their intervention. Your "selective" humanity absolutely undermines the credibility of your arguments. Last time, the mass cultivation of "one human is superior to another" mindset got your country absolutely wrecked.

 

"...there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran).”

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

 

Terror trial collapses after fears of deep embarrassment to security services

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/01/trial-swedish-man-accused-terrorism-offences-collapse-bherlin-gildo

 

 

We created Islamic extremism: Those blaming Islam for ISIS would have supported Osama bin Laden in the ’80s

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/17/we_created_islamic_extremism_those_blaming_islam_for_isis_would_have_supported_osama_bin_laden_in_the_80s/

 

Trump gets one thing damn right:

 

Trump repeatedly reiterated his desire to "blast the hell out of" ISIL targets and "bomb the hell out of" the terrorist group's oil resources.

 

"Now they're just starting to do that, but they're two years late," Trump said. "Interestingly after Paris, all of a sudden they start bombing sites that they knew about for a year and a half. But they started bombing them after the tragic events of Paris. So, so many things are wrong. We need leadership in the world now. You know, it's really a worldwide leadership, but boy, do we need leadership in our country."

 

I agree there is a problem in Muslim societies about Extremism, without a doubt. We need to fix it, they need to be absolutely wiped out through force and education. But that effort is undermined if you on the other hand are supporting x or y extremist elements for other political goals, I would say the priority should be to wipe these guys out first and you can do the politics later.

Edited November 19, 201510 yr by Shahenshah

Shah, you keep acting like I didn't agree that Western ME policies failed spectacularly. Yes, they did. I'm saying it's time to admit this and move to fix the situation in earnest.

 

 

 

Okay, You believe all this is caused by climate change. I don't believe that... I believe you either have a liberal agenda, or you follow those who do. I'm still against bringing Syrian refugees to the United States. So what now?

I didn't say that IS was caused by climate change. I just said it would contribute to conditions that help terrorism grow.

 

I have ni idea what a liberal agenda is so I cannot comment on that.

Oh you said it "would contribute"... as in, it has not happened yet. Yes, I know that. According to Al Gore, New York City was supposed to be under water by now if we did not go with his plan of Cap and Trade. This was designed as a scam to scare people into believing that their mere existence is destroying the planet. So they must require, by law, a system of buying and selling carbon credits in order to keep it from happening. When you looked at who gets rich over this scheme, it all becomes clear why it was proposed. Even Democrats were not stupid enough to go along with this bullshit.

 

The only reason you keep hearing about climate change is because powerful people want it to happen, and keep talking about it. When Obama is finished in about a year, and we get a new powerful person that knows it's bullshit, you will hear much less about it. Obama is doing all he can now, to have something to stick into his library... he's only concerned about his "legacy".

Outside the land where big oil bought a lot of influence this debate ended about ten years ago. Also the necessary adaptation has not caused economic harm. The USA really needs to get on with putting it's house in order on this one.

 

Unfortunately the Republican party has a distinct anti science element. If you want proof of this look at the attitude to polling data at the last election. It was totally ignored and dismissed even though there was a strong advantage in paying attention.

Unfortunately the Republican party has a distinct anti science element. If you want proof of this look at the attitude to polling data at the last election. It was totally ignored and dismissed even though there was a strong advantage in paying attention.

That's right. This is probably what irks me most about them.

The EU made itself into a multicultural place because the moment 1 culture feels the need to surpress another, all hell breaks lose. Are we more enlightend then the Middle East? Perhaps yes as a society, but definatly not as individuals. Both realms have there virtues, both realms have there vices, both realms are currently inhabiting this world and denying that truth is belitteling your own belief that God created this world for all.

And the crown achievement of European multiculturalism is located in no other place than Molenbeek, Brussels. I find it INCREDIBLY ironic that the terror capital of Europe also happens to be it's...capital? I mean, imagine the hilarity if Bin Laden & the gang had planned planned the 9/11 attacks from Washington D.C.!

 

But beyond that, I guess I'm not surprised. We live in a world where weakness will be taken advantage of, even if some people choose to portray it as being modern and enlightened. Brussels is the epitome of institutonal weakness, so it is only logical to exloit it by those that want to. Unfortunately, if you blind yorself with ideology, and fail to take evolving contexts into account, you might delude yourself for a while, but reality will eventually hit you like a freight train.

Found a joke on the net after ISIS said they'll invade Russia.

 

ISIS: We'll conquer Russia for Allah.

 

Napoleon: LOL

 

Hitler: LOL

 

Genghis Khan: Srsly, I don't get what's the joke guys?

Found a joke on the net after ISIS said they'll invade Russia.

 

ISIS: We'll conquer Russia for Allah.

 

Napoleon: LOL

 

Hitler: LOL

 

Genghis Khan: Srsly, I don't get what's the joke guys?

To be fair to Khan... he did grow up in a country which is arguably even less hospitable than Russia...

This is the life in Brussel today:

 

 

Edited November 21, 201510 yr by Lanyaie

There were soldiers in Gare du Midi when I caught the Eurostar back to London on Tuesday. Still had dinner at the Grand Place as fuck isis I like beer sauce and meatballs.

 

 

Unfortunately the Republican party has a distinct anti science element. If you want proof of this look at the attitude to polling data at the last election. It was totally ignored and dismissed even though there was a strong advantage in paying attention.

Fortunately, the Republican party has a distinct anti big government element. The only people that said anything about the debate being over, was you guys. It's like children declaring their version of the future, and then sticking fingers in their ears as they refuse to listen to the overwhelming evidence that you have been lied to for years. The climate change movement is not about controlling the climate... it's about controlling people. These con-men want to steal billions of dollars from developed countries and give hundreds of millions to under-developed countries. Notice the difference? That's them pocketing the rest.

 

"Attitude to polling data at the last election"? If you poll what issues are important to people, global warming is a blip. Nobody cares about your Chicken Little, "the sky is falling", let's see how many sheep we can get to believe this bullshit. I don't know if you were paying attention to what happened in the last election, maybe you were too focused on who supported this lie, and missed the part where they got totally crushed in the election. People just want to live their lives... Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness... have you ever heard of that? Keep your big controlling government out of my face.