This guy deserves his own yuge topic. 

Like I have said before... Donald Trump may not be the President everyone wants, but he is probably the President everyone needs. He's a very focused individual. Right now he's running for the Republican nomination, and that is his main focus. He has to beat all those guys first, and Trump will be the last man standing because he doesn't care who they are, or how the Republican party feels about it. He will burn them all down eventually, because he has the support of a very angry electorate that wants someone that will actually get things done.

 

When he is finished with the Republicans... the Democrats are dog food. That's the easy part.

 

He's not my first choice, but if he wins the nomination like I believe he will... he will have my full support.

No, he doesn't.

Indeed, the US needs a reality TV personality at the helm...

Indeed, the US needs a reality TV personality at the helm...

They all said similar things about Ronald Reagan. Have you watched any of "The Apprentice"? It began as a competition to groom young business executives in the brutal world of big business, and transformed over the years to celebrities competing to raise tens of millions of dollars for charitable causes. It would take someone with extremely short vision to reduce that to a "reality TV personality", but I know who I'm talking to here.

 

Trump was a successful billionaire before he was a TV star, and I love that he doesn't take crap from anyone. My choice for President is you always vote for the biggest bad-ass. Things always go better for the USA when we get it.

1) Ronald Reagan wasn't a reality star, he was a movie star. Difference is that one talks lines thought up by competent people while the other just spouts whatever he feels like.

 

2) I never saw a complete episode, but the UK version (Dragons Den I believe) I have seen snippets off. Basically you see capitalism at its most basic form. Capitalism =/= society.

 

3) oooo he might have sit in on a place were rich people now send trinkets off to charity? Gratz?

 

4) You want a president who is "IN CHARGE". Thing is, you need a leader of a nation to be able to speak for that nation (or for as much as possible), you don't need an totalitarian maverick who might have done some "good things" while basically doing the good to himself.

 

 

 

I get it, part of the US is annoyed by present and past political culture. But to "upset" that hegemony by putting a charismatic one-line spewing narcisits in charge you are basically saying you want to be ruled over. Move to Russia, you will enjoy it there...

Donald Trump would be a disaster for America and he would be a disaster for America. 

 

He has no clue how things work, and more importantly, no desire to learn or listen. Calling for Bill Gates to shut down parts of the internet was the latest example of being an utter muppet. He also has no interest in actual policy or getting thing done. His spokesperson was on the radio last Tuesday talking about his ban all Muslims policy, and couldn't answer the question "so could a UK citizen of islamic faith visit the US under this policy?" The interviewer was actually struggling to hold the interview because the spokesperson was just spouting whatever entered their head. 

 

You see this across all his proposals. Vast unfunded tax cuts. Trade wars with neighboring countries. Pissing on the US Bill of rights whilst he is about it. 

 

Forget the racism, forget the abuse of the disabled, forget calling for his supporters to attack protesters for a moment. My country exports enough to America that the idea of the American economy tanking because of this fucking muppet genuinely worries me. So please, for all our sakes, vote for someone else. 

 

 

Donald Trump would be a disaster for America and he would be a disaster for America.

Get a hold of yourself Ice... you're starting to repeat yourself. It's okay in multiple posts... but in the same sentence?

 

I really enjoy talking American politics with other Americans. We are making the choice, so there is much to discuss... but here, like I have said before... I get ganged up on by European Socialists. We will never agree. I despise everything you wish to change my country into, what you wish to change the world into, and what you want it to be. We'll be okay, and you can keep hating us for it, but we'll make our own choices, thank you very much for your concern.

1) Ronald Reagan wasn't a reality star, he was a movie star. Difference is that one talks lines thought up by competent people while the other just spouts whatever he feels like.

 

2) I never saw a complete episode, but the UK version (Dragons Den I believe) I have seen snippets off. Basically you see capitalism at its most basic form. Capitalism =/= society.

 

3) oooo he might have sit in on a place were rich people now send trinkets off to charity? Gratz?

 

4) You want a president who is "IN CHARGE". Thing is, you need a leader of a nation to be able to speak for that nation (or for as much as possible), you don't need an totalitarian maverick who might have done some "good things" while basically doing the good to himself.

 

 

 

I get it, part of the US is annoyed by present and past political culture. But to "upset" that hegemony by putting a charismatic one-line spewing narcisits in charge you are basically saying you want to be ruled over. Move to Russia, you will enjoy it there...

The Apprentice and Dragons Den are two different things.

 

Also they're both UK shows.

Some part of the population will be okay, the part that is "favoured", sadly that isn't the best idea to run a nation or a society.
 
And we, the world, have a vested interest in what the US decides to do, likewise about Russia, China, EU in general and other major global influencential organisations.
 
 

The Apprentice and Dragons Den are two different things.

Also they're both UK shows.

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Ow, *googles*

 

aaaah, that way. Think they did a likewise show here aswell. It was aired on the commercial broadcast channel so I naturally was sceptical already, viewing snippits only clearified that it was less about "a sollicitation" and more about another reality TV show. Half the "tests" were orientated to screw eachother over then to actually do something worthwhile.

Dragon's Den is more focused on real business than the apprentice because it is essentially a televised investment pitch. 

 

The apprentice is far more about personality, and therefore is more about mocking stupid people who think they are clever (at least the UK version, never seen the American one).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ss-59fi4nM

 

 

 

 

Donald Trump would be a disaster for America and he would be a disaster for America.

Get a hold of yourself Ice... you're starting to repeat yourself. It's okay in multiple posts... but in the same sentence?

 

I really enjoy talking American politics with other Americans. We are making the choice, so there is much to discuss... but here, like I have said before... I get ganged up on by European Socialists. We will never agree. I despise everything you wish to change my country into, what you wish to change the world into, and what you want it to be. We'll be okay, and you can keep hating us for it, but we'll make our own choices, thank you very much for your concern.

 

I'm not a socialist. And really when it comes to politics I care far less about ideology and far more about good governance, both in terms of respect for civil rights and liberty, and in terms of whether their policies are actually effective. 

 

Trump doesn't give the slightest shit about civil rights, liberty, good government or effective government. 

Two words: Fuck Trump

I heard that during prayers in the IS held regions, mass prayers are being held where they pray that Trump becomes President so USA is destroyed.....

^The fuck?

Two words: Fuck Trump

Well that's a catchy bumper sticker for hard lefties with their heads stuck in the sand, but it will take a few more words to explain why you feel that way... are you Rosie O'Donnell?

Trump would be a horrible president. Probably worse than Bush. The only thing I've seen him spew is hate and, well, not much else. He proposes all these things, yet, he doesn't give you a straightforward answer on how it's going to be funded (other than on the backs of the ever shrinking middle class and the ever increasing poor). Hell, the UK petition (which I have no idea if that is actually a thing), supported by what appears to be 425k people, wants him banned from going there!

 

Let's not also forget the massive amount of people he's already pissed off. Gotta love the fact that his Muslim 'business partners' are dropping him.

 

I mean, I don't keep up on a lot of things, but he seems to be a grade-A fail.

 

Two words: Fuck Trump

Well that's a catchy bumper sticker for hard lefties with their heads stuck in the sand, but it will take a few more words to explain why you feel that way... are you Rosie O'Donnell?

 

Nope I am neither left or right, straight down in the middle. He's just a pure racist shit that should never exist, his father was one too. Why waste billions of dollars on a campaign that he is not gonna win? If he does win it would be the most lamest presidential election since the early 19th century that ever happened, I would just move to another country if this jerk got back on. 

Also it puts a bad reputation for the GOP as well if Trump decides to win the Party nominee which I don't think will ever happen, it would just be a dark era for the Republicans and it would put the Republicans in a difficult decision. Most of the Republicans don't even like him anyway the only people are his supporters. 

 

Thats my several sentences for it.  I could go rant about more. 

Like I have said before... Donald Trump may not be the President everyone wants, but he is probably the President everyone needs. He's a very focused individual. Right now he's running for the Republican nomination, and that is his main focus. He has to beat all those guys first, and Trump will be the last man standing because he doesn't care who they are, or how the Republican party feels about it. He will burn them all down eventually, because he has the support of a very angry electorate that wants someone that will actually get things done.

 

When he is finished with the Republicans... the Democrats are dog food. That's the easy part.

 

He's not my first choice, but if he wins the nomination like I believe he will... he will have my full support.

 

Dude, you have lost my respect. Ignoring al the obvious racist commentaries and his ignorance on politics, Donald Trump is a business man. A business man who is a billionaire, that is true, but he is still a business man. A president needs to be a politician. Someona who can be in charge and can run a country like a country. Someone who thinks what is the best for the people, and how  and what the government can do to help them. A business man only knows how to make a profit. A BM works for his own benefit, not for the others. Donald Trump is not a person who can work for the benefit of others. He just wants to turn USA into his playground. I'm not a fan of Hillary Clinton and I don't think that she should be president, but if that is what it takes to avoid Donald Trump becoming the Head of State, then go ahead Hillary, win the elections.

 

 

Two words: Fuck Trump

Well that's a catchy bumper sticker for hard lefties with their heads stuck in the sand, but it will take a few more words to explain why you feel that way... are you Rosie O'Donnell?

 

Nope I am neither left or right, straight down in the middle. He's just a pure racist shit that should never exist, his father was one too. Why waste billions of dollars on a campaign that he is not gonna win? If he does win it would be the most lamest presidential election since the early 19th century that ever happened, I would just move to another country if this jerk got back on. 

Also it puts a bad reputation for the GOP as well if Trump decides to win the Party nominee which I don't think will ever happen, it would just be a dark era for the Republicans and it would put the Republicans in a difficult decision. Most of the Republicans don't even like him anyway the only people are his supporters. 

 

Thats my several sentences for it.  I could go rant about more. 

 

 

I'm sure quite a few of us can rant a lot more about him, but we don't. I've posted numerous things about how pathetic Trump is. I mean, if someone wants to talk about someone who speaks their mind, maybe they should look at one Mr. Bernie Sanders. He also speaks his mind.

While we are discussing this, I'm going to step up and give you an example. Here in Panama, our last president was a man by the name of Ricardo Martinelli. He was a rich man before becoming president, due to a succesful business carreer, but he is now a millionare after spending five years in power. Why? Because he stole money. Millions of dollars in fact. He and his whole government started public works like highways and bridges and they said that the costs of those projects would be exponentiall higher than what they really were. A 21 km highway was begun with the price of 27 million dollars per kilometer. Can you imagine that? That extra money was stolen by him and his lackeys. And he is a business man. Only yesterday he was supposed to attend to the Supreme Court of Justice for a preliminary trial because they are investigating him for tapping phones. He is now in Miami and doesn't plan to return.

 

You may ask what his relaitionship to DT is. Well, both are businessmen known for their utter lack of knowledge about politics, both are liked by the people, and both are just the worst possible candidates that could ever occur. Martinelli won and I fear that Trump might win, because the ignorants are many and they choose a president. 

 

I just hope that you come to reason and decide not to choose such a despicable man as president, because the effects it will have on the international community will be enormous.

 

PS. I could talk for hours about Martinelli, or about Donald Trump.

In regards to the Trumpman, it's important to understand that his campaign is really just one big (yuge) Marketing Campaign.

Who knows marketing better than a man who's spent his entire life, and written a book about, how to do such things?

If you look at the media coverage, you'll see that it's going right along with what he laid out in his book "The Art of the Deal"

- Constant Coverage of his outlandish statements/proposals.

   + This shows people that he's leading the debate. He has control of the conversation and it's prompting more people to look into the issue, where they see that there actually IS an issue, even if it's not as big as he says it is.

- This puts him in a position of leverage

   + As with any business negotiation, you want to start high (Outlaw ALL Islamic Immigration) so that you can allow the opponent to "compromise" with you.

- This is brilliant. The Democrats will say something like "We have to ALLOW all Immigration," Trump will say "We have to OUTLAW all immigration," the compromise will be allowing immigration under certain stipulations (maybe background checks and close vetting).

    + In reality, this is what Trump wanted all along, but if he had opened with it, he wouldn't have had any room to "compromise."

- The same principles can be applied to almost (if not) all of what Trump has proposed.

- Realistically speaking, the President isn't the end-all be-all of Government

    + He will have to go through Congress for most of what he has proposed and "compromise"

- With the extremely high amount of support that he's received (yuge), the two Major Political Parties are being forced to address him.

    + We all (Americans) know that the Democrats and the Republicans offer opposing and almost always faulty answers to problems, so the more they try to condemn him, the more they highlight their own faults.

    + Trump gets more support the harder they try.

    + A good example of this is his recent statements about Islamic Immigration; everyone (Dems and Reps) flipped shit over it.

    + Statements of "This will be the end of Trump" were met with extreme Media coverage and country-wide headlines

    + Trump immediately jumps in the polls

 

Realistically speaking, what he's doing is absolutely brilliant. Compare him with other candidates.

- Bernie Sanders is spending massive amounts on Campaigning and has to appeal to niche groups like the College Kids (I'm a College kid) and the BLM movement.

    + If you look at Trump's facebook page you'll see that he hasn't had to use Ad Campaigns like Sanders has; the Media gives him all the coverage he needs to get his message out.

    + By immediately stating his "grand policy" (Free College, etc.) Bernie has opened himself up to prolonged criticism and has put himself into a position where he can't easily compromise.

    + All Trump has to do is make a few statements about how Education is important and meet with Black Ministers and the Media jumps on it so hard that Bernie becomes background noise; Trump is now in a commanding position.

 

- Hillary Clinton is having to do the same thing as Bernie, but she's appealing to the Moderate Democrats, Women, and the LGBT community.

    + Again, by showing her hand immediately, she's exposed herself to prolonged criticism.

    + She's been the target of Republican smear-campaigns over Benghazi, eMails, etc. Which immediately draws her character into question. People don't vote for Politicians they don't Trust.

              ~ Trump goes hard. He says crazy shit, but people would rather have a crazy asshole than a possible criminal.

    + A few well-placed videos undermine her position with the LGBT community because she used to stand against Marriage equality; this also damages her character.

 

- Republicans en masse try to oppose Trump

    + Because of his high ratings and far-reaching statements, the only way they can disagree with his politics is by either:
              1: Going farther. Which makes them look crazy.

              2: Propose more moderate policy which makes them look like sellouts.

    + They can't beat his politics so they have to attack his character, which makes them look like a joke.

 

 

All in all, recent polls show that Trump could easily defeat any of the other Republican candidates.

And the information that I've seen points to him currying more favor throughout the Country than any of the Democratic candidates.

Is he crazy, or is he pulling off the greatest deal in American History?

Okay after all that... I see you guys believe he's a racist and you hate him because he's wealthy.

 

Fair enough, but being against open borders and a desire to keep potential terrorists from entering the country does not make you a racist. You can hate rich people, and distrust the wealthy, but at least he made the money himself doing things. Hillary has about 2 billion dollars at her disposal and got it by promising future favors... much from foreign countries that are not friendly to the USA.

 

Trump is a businessman, and he knows very well he can't get everything he wants, but you have to understand the man to understand his methods. To him, everything is a negotiation, and he begins all his negotiations from the point of getting it all. So he will start with deporting all illegals, and negotiate from there. That way if he gets 80% of what he went for, it's better than the 80% amnesty that everyone else has accomplished. So don't take what he says as what will happen... he's just opening up negotiations. Ask anyone he has done business with for decades if he's a racist. They will tell you.

 

I have heard that Donald Trump has spent a whopping $300,000 on his campaign so far. Everyone else has spent millions trying to get people to hate him. I think it's hilarious. The media talking about Trump adds up to 25 times the talk the other candidates get combined. He's winning for free, and he hasn't even turned his attention to Hillary Clinton yet. She's angel food cake compared to Republicans.

 

Oh yeah... I made more money from 2005-2009 than I ever did in my entire life. George W. was awesome for me. The Real Estate bust was not his fault.

 

EDIT: George Jarvis just laid out a much more detailed comment about the same thing. Brilliant George!

Edited December 12, 201510 yr by Lysistrata

Banning all Muslims has nothing to do with combating terrorism. It is has everything to do with bigotry. 

 

Mocking a disabled man has nothing to do with good government or policy. It has everything to do with being a disgusting sack of shit. 

 

I would buy "he wants a negotiating position" only if he actually set out a negotiating position. His staff literally cannot explain his policies because he has a headline and no substance. He doesn't think about whats actually a good position or concept, he just shouts stuff. 

 

Any person who wants to actually govern a country would not run on such a platform because they would always have an idea of what they can actually achieve. Trump is just shouting crap that he has no intention of implementing because he has fuck all interest in actually governing a country, he just wants to be President.

Trump is an idiot. That's all I have to say about that.

 

 

at least he made the money himself doing things.

 

With a small loan of a million dollars  

But I completely agree with you.

 

 

 

It is has everything to do with bigotry. 

 

It has everything to do with appealing to popular opinion;  you wouldn't sell someone a vacuum if you knew they had a perfectly good one at home.

 

 

 

Mocking a disabled man has nothing to do with good government or policy. It has everything to do with being a disgusting sack of shit.

 

That goes with the whole "They can't beat his politics so they attack his person" thing.

 

 

 

I would buy "he wants a negotiating position" only if he actually set out a negotiating position. His staff literally cannot explain his policies because he has a headline and no substance. He doesn't think about whats actually a good position or concept, he just shouts stuff. 

 

Timing is everything. The election isn't until November. 

The time isn't right... not yet.

 

 

 

Any person who wants to actually govern a country would not run on such a platform because they would always have an idea of what they can actually achieve. Trump is just shouting crap that he has no intention of implementing because he has fuck all interest in actually governing a country, he just wants to be President.

 

He's intentionally vague. It's harder to pin down exactly what he's going for and makes it harder to criticize him other than broad "He's a bad man!" insults that don't do anything except get him more attention.

 

If he knew nothing about Politics, he wouldn't be winning.

Quite the contrary; he knows Politics so well that he's winning in a way that no one has ever imagined.

Oh yeah I forgot... dragonslayer51, it's okay man, I still have respect for you