462 replies to this topic

[The Warrior]

I think that it would be very difficult for the RNC to give the nomination to anyone other than Cruz or Trump at a contested convention. They will probably choose which of the two candidates that they like the most (or dislike the least) and present them as the nominee. I think that they would be risking the loyalty of too many Republican voters by not making the nominee one of the two men that has already garnered as much support nationally as Cruz or Trump has in this election cycle. In this case, I think the nominee would be Ted Cruz and I would be fine with that. He was my second choice after Rubio as well.

[Lysistrata]

You are correct TW... if the Republican establishment refuse to back Trump, and then refuse to back Cruz, they will risk everything on their wonderful reputations. I believe they would be calling down the thunder, and then will eat the lightning.

[hilowe]

The problem with voting Libertarian is, it will not win. The feelings you express are exactly why Trump and Sanders are such strong candidates right now... so many people are just pissed off at the same people, saying the same things, and things do nothing but get worse.

Won't argue much about the Libertarian not winning. However, if enough people get fed up with the Democrat and Republican parties, there will eventually be enough swing to get a true third party into the national elections. Honestly, if and when Trump doesn't get the Republican nomination, if he could get the Libertarians to back him (highly doubtful, but you never know), that might be enough to get people to start looking at the third party candidates.

I think that it would be very difficult for the RNC to give the nomination to anyone other than Cruz or Trump at a contested convention. They will probably choose which of the two candidates that they like the most (or dislike the least) and present them as the nominee. I think that they would be risking the loyalty of too many Republican voters by not making the nominee one of the two men that has already garnered as much support nationally as Cruz or Trump has in this election cycle. In this case, I think the nominee would be Ted Cruz and I would be fine with that. He was my second choice after Rubio as well.

I don't know, some of the comments I've seen out of the "establishment" of the Republican party comes across as completely out of touch. Saw something this morning on one of the morning shows (don't remember which one, probably Good Morning America, and missed who it was saying), dude said something to the effect of "the rules are the rules at the convention, and Trump better get used to that."

[onbekende]

IW, pass me some popcorn, this is getting good

 

 

So I heared over roughly 3/4th of half the population of the US dislikes Trump. Someone please tell me how this fellow got himself into this mess? (a google link speaks more then a direct link I think). And it is DISLIKE, not just "meh I'd pick someone else", its "I don't want this guy". I am not surprised if people like someone else more or so, but to actually have over half the voting population dislike you, you are doing something wrong no?

[Lysistrata]

IW, pass me some popcorn, this is getting good

 

 

So I heared over roughly 3/4th of half the population of the US dislikes Trump. Someone please tell me how this fellow got himself into this mess? (a google link speaks more then a direct link I think). And it is DISLIKE, not just "meh I'd pick someone else", its "I don't want this guy". I am not surprised if people like someone else more or so, but to actually have over half the voting population dislike you, you are doing something wrong no?

Good thing we're a Republic, and not a Democracy. Whoever it is, liked or disliked by the majority, they still have to earn 270 electoral votes... and the majority of those you refer to live in states the Republican will not win anyway... so it really doesn't matter much.

[Rafay]

This sure is gonna be an interesting convention. I can't remember if I was this excited for any US election except 2008 as it had the charm of an African American running for office.

 

If bot Trump or Cruz then Kasich....?

 

What will happen to the party if Trump or Cruz (the most popular of the GOP) aren't awarded the nomination then how do the voters react? Will it hurt the party?

 

Also we know Trump is strong in the North East especially w/ the elitists. But what about California? If Trump wins there, then those are lot of delegates.

[onbekende]

 

IW, pass me some popcorn, this is getting good

 

 

So I heared over roughly 3/4th of half the population of the US dislikes Trump. Someone please tell me how this fellow got himself into this mess? (a google link speaks more then a direct link I think). And it is DISLIKE, not just "meh I'd pick someone else", its "I don't want this guy". I am not surprised if people like someone else more or so, but to actually have over half the voting population dislike you, you are doing something wrong no?

Good thing we're a Republic, and not a Democracy. Whoever it is, liked or disliked by the majority, they still have to earn 270 electoral votes... and the majority of those you refer to live in states the Republican will not win anyway... so it really doesn't matter much.

 

a democratic elected republic, hence if you got +50% not voting for you, you almost certainly lose (lets ignore the Bush2000 melarky for now )

 

Still, you people are moving ever so closer to a 50/50 split on love/hate while before it was like more/like less. Would you consider that to be a problem?

[Lysistrata]

It's a problem on both sides. Many Democrats say they will never support Hillary Clinton.

 

I now believe Donald Trump will not be the Republican nominee. I don't believe he will reach 1,237. They are all working overtime to keep him from it, and even if it appears that he reached it... he still has to get the votes on the floor of the convention. I don't think they will give it to him, and for the most part there will be a collective sigh of relief when he doesn't pass the first ballot.

 

Next the question will be if Ted Cruz can get enough on the second, third, or fourth ballot. That's the test. If not... they will turn to Paul Ryan. The Republicans will adjust, and fall in line before November, on whoever it is... Clinton will not be President.

[Lysistrata]

Still, you people are moving ever so closer to a 50/50 split on love/hate while before it was like more/like less. Would you consider that to be a problem?

Well, I've seen enough Japanese hentai to know where this is going.

[Lysistrata]

I'll put on my prediction hat once again, and say that if Donald Trump does not get to 1,237... Ted Cruz will offer Vice-President to John Kasich before the Republican convention begins. This would seal up Ohio, bring establishment credibility to the ticket, and bring more delegates into his corner.

[onbekende]

I'll put on my prediction hat once again, and say that if Donald Trump does not get to 1,237... Ted Cruz will offer Vice-President to John Kasich before the Republican convention begins. This would seal up Ohio, bring establishment credibility to the ticket, and bring more delegates into his corner.

For some reason, the Cruz/Kasich ticket sounds even more crazy then a Clinton/Bernie tbh. I don't see it happen.

 

and if they go Paul Ryan, I see Cruz going independent aswell

 

 

Still, you people are moving ever so closer to a 50/50 split on love/hate while before it was like more/like less. Would you consider that to be a problem?

Well, I've seen enough Japanese hentai to know where this is going.

 

actually, it should be "I've seen enough American patriotism to know where this is going."

[Lysistrata]

Cruz/Kasich makes a lot of sense... and Ted Cruz will never run 3rd party, I have never heard a whisper that he would even consider.

[onbekende]

Well I am working with mostly european news offcourse, it just that I can't see a Cruz/Kasish ticket going, mainly from Cruz's side tbh. Offcourse stranger things are happening already, so who knows

[Icewolf]

Why would kasich join a losing ticket? Cruz is barely more electable than Trump.

[Lysistrata]

Why would kasich join a losing ticket? Cruz is barely more electable than Trump.

The last I checked, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are the ones that are winning all the elections. If John Kasich doesn't want to be placed into the "also ran" section of history, he will have to do something to make himself relevant.

 

Now, saying that the guys winning the elections are not electable, is a bit pretentious... especially when the obvious opponent will either be a criminal and habitual liar, or a Socialist. There are people such as yourself, who believe that the most "electable" is the most innocuous candidate... then there are people like me who believe those we elect are actually supposed to do something. We shall see which one of us is right this time. If the criminal is elected, I will be the first to congratulate you Sir.

[Icewolf]

Trump is getting a plurality of votes not a majority. If he ran against Clinton tomorrow he would lose in a crushing landslide and probably also hand congress to the Democrats as well. He is massively unpopular with the wider American people.

Cruz is not quite that bad. He is not an utterly toxic potential nominee like Trump but he is hardly a good candidate. He would also lose to Clinton if the election was tomorrow, but not by such a large margin. His ability to be elected however depends on an increasingly liberal (meaning pro individual liberty on matters such as marriage abortion and srugs) country wanting a hardline Christian as president.

[Lysistrata]

Trump is getting a plurality of votes not a majority. If he ran against Clinton tomorrow he would lose in a crushing landslide and probably also hand congress to the Democrats as well. He is massively unpopular with the wider American people.

Cruz is not quite that bad. He is not an utterly toxic potential nominee like Trump but he is hardly a good candidate. He would also lose to Clinton if the election was tomorrow, but not by such a large margin. His ability to be elected however depends on an increasingly liberal (meaning pro individual liberty on matters such as marriage abortion and srugs) country wanting a hardline Christian as president.

He doesn't need a majority, the election is not tomorrow, Congress will be fine, and this is the first I have ever heard of Trump being massively unpopular with wide people... How does he do with skinny people?

 

This is what I mean about you being a little pretentious... I should say a lot pretentious. According to you, we are all just wasting our time over here... the Republican won't win in November, because nobody likes them. I live in the USA, and I don't know what will happen. What I do know is we will take care of it ourselves.

 

We really need an election that is all about what is important, and not about sex, God, and drugs. In a liberals perfect world, we would be bankrupt, a country on welfare, and the entire world on fire... but that's okay because everyone can marry everyone, the Catholics are paying for their abortions, and they can spark up a doob anytime they want. Wow... where do I sign up?

[onbekende]

can please start using the word "libertarian" for "liberal" as you deem it fit, it is starting to hurt my senses

 

or perhaps better, get all your "liberals" to stop calling themselfes that, it is not a word invented in the US and as such it should be used in the meaning it was used prior. If it is about liberty (aka freedom), note the T in it, it should be libertarian. If the meaning is what you stick to it with your previous post, it is called "socialism", as in society.

[Lysistrata]

can please start using the word "libertarian" for "liberal" as you deem it fit, it is starting to hurt my senses

 

or perhaps better, get all your "liberals" to stop calling themselfes that, it is not a word invented in the US and as such it should be used in the meaning it was used prior. If it is about liberty (aka freedom), note the T in it, it should be libertarian. If the meaning is what you stick to it with your previous post, it is called "socialism", as in society.

Nice try. "Libertarian" comes from "Liberty", and pretty much means if it doesn't hurt anyone else... it's cool. Liberal means you're fast and loose with other people's money and freedom. If you are turning Libertarian, I am so very happy that you have awakened to the evils of Socialism.

[onbekende]

a) Libertarians want all even if it hurts others, hence full capitalism is it highest form (I wantz all teh monahz!!!), aka narcissists (enough S's? )

b) Liberals in the rest of the world are actually the for-profit employers (mostly of the bigger kind), most of which want to also enrich solely themselfes but also understand that a "bread & games" mentality won't cut it.

c) you are again convulating socialism with communism, which have nearly nothing in comming except that the second says its doing te first but its actually doing the opposite (aka dictatorship). Heck the word communism is too tainted to even be used anymore in context of "community". Specially ironic seeing that a community is smaller then a society while communism ruled/rules the biggest groups of humans on this planet.

 

The issue comes from that any ideology also incoorperates the prevailing mentality of the people in its presence. Hence "liberals" on our continent tend to be more social then on your continent. Hence "liberals" in your nation tend to go bible-thumping. Why "liberals" in Africa go full on coorperational and are more businessmen with a political mandate then visa versa.

 

Any "true" or "pure" form of ideology is a waste of time, mainly cause no 2 persons could even agree what the "pure" form would mean