Between the two major runners,  will not vote for Hillary, she willing murdered 4 brothers in arms and not only that decided to be as un-Amerian as possible with her shady bullshite. Why she is able to even be on the ballot is beyond me. If we could some how take half of Bernie and half of Trump and merge them, I feel like we could actually have a decent president. As it stands, all choices suck, but in the end someone must win. 

 

I vote we hunger games this.

Well the thing is if you feel like Bernie goes to far you got to remember running for president is like going to buy a car sometimes you go with a higher bargain then you probably get and you don't just settle on the first offer either. Many may not remember Obama actually ran for Single payer Health Care aka Universal Health care, but the thing was he got blocked a bit and then lost his mojo/ backbone and just settle with the Affordable Care act which does some good but still leaves private issuance in control of too much, also the mandate is just stupid yes everyone should have health insurance but you shouldn't be force into it. What I see is like what some others have brought up is similar to a few European countries is Universal Health Care Bernie's Medicare for all plan but their should be an option to it as if you want you can do private issuance rout which will still be regulated by the rules establish by the Affordable care act or any other Health care acts that are put in place but with in a degree. Now if we do eventually get Universal Health care yea many private insurance will probably not exist but a few may  stay around and offer those who want to pay for it, probably lots of the top rich class.

 

Another idea I have been having but not sure how it would be worked out is if many of Bernie's plans are in place then you should have in option to allocate you taxes to where you want it. like how much % of income tax to be put towards your Social Security vs Health care vs etc similar to how some business with 401k's allow you to do. Again not sure if this would be possible at all and of course our Tax system may be change as well, like the idea of only sales tax.. which I am kinda in between on as not sure how well it would work.

Much appreciated, though it seems the dem on is not as fun as the republican one amirite? 

 

Republican side definitely more fun, all the clowns on the GOP bus. 

Double face palm this one gang. I couldn't believe what I heard, and I had to hit rewind several times to make sure I wasn't hearing things... "we didn't lose a single person". Really? She doesn't lift a finger to help them. Stands in front of their coffins and blames a video for their deaths. Lies directly to the American people. Lies directly to their families. Lies directly to Congress... and that's not good enough... now she wants everyone to believe they never existed. I have never hated a politician as much as I do her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnKhL4FvCO0

I saw that. At this point I think that she lies so much that she might actually believe this to be true. What an insult to our armed forces.

One could argue that lies (shall we call them views particular to each candidates view point instead?) are employed by all sides irrespective of the political colour...

One could argue that lies (shall we call them views particular to each candidates view point instead?) are employed by all sides irrespective of the political colour...

It's awesome to see you here Theo

Hey Theo!

Hi Theo, join IRON.

 

One could argue that lies (shall we call them views particular to each candidates view point instead?) are employed by all sides irrespective of the political colour...

It's awesome to see you here Theo

 

 

 

Hey Theo!

 

 

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Hey hey

Bernie leading by a hair's breadth in Missouri and Illinois exit polls.

 

And welcome back to the forums Theo. Remember me?

Yea Hilary is making me mad and I still don't know how she draws in 100k voters well I get the southern states but Illinois, Ohio, and Missouri? well I read that the problem with Ohio might of been cause Kasich got the independents and some democrats which had been going towards Bernie in the states he fares well. The doubt is there that this was the end for him but like he said he is staying in until the convention and California and many of the Northern more liberal states are to come but he would really need to dominate and do better then 50% wins. The only thing is if it doesn't turn out well here on is if Clinton will give him the VP but I don't think that would happen. But I will stay vigilant and continue to push for a Sanders Presidency. Like many have said if he does win America will get it's final debate on it's future Socialism vs Capitalism well short of as Sanders is still capitalistic but with that dash of Socialism in the mix.

Bernie leading by a hair's breadth in Missouri and Illinois exit polls.

 

And welcome back to the forums Theo. Remember me?

 

Of course Hey!

Where the updates for this!!

Yeah okay, I'm sorry. Tracking this is pretty pointless. Hillary will win this in a walk, and the only thing that can slow her down, or stop her from claiming the nomination... is indictment by the U.S. Justice Department for the crimes of gross negligence of classified information, espionage, and violation of campaign finance laws. It's the Obama Administration, and they will cover it up.

 

Current Delegate Count

 

Hillary Clinton - 1,639

Bernie Sanders - 859

 

Needed to win - 2,383

 

Bernie is a dead man walking, and will not win the nomination.

Hillary may have an even bigger problem than the FBI... they are called the NSA. This is very informative.

http://observer.com/2016/03/hillary-has-an-nsa-problem/

Can the President pardon Hillary before she is arrested? Is there some law like that? Will it unfold like the Iran Contra affair? 

Thusfar the only thing the american bureau's have proven is that they work slower then belgian police, now they just need to beat our incompetence

Sanders may not win the nomination in the end but the primaries are going to the states where he is polling very well. I believe that Sanders ideas and this movement he rallied up will continue even if he doesn't when and will be a reckoning the next election and so on. We may first see things done at local levels and we could probably see more grassroots politicians like him popping up everywhere on both sides. Really I wish that this election will be the end to the two party system and cause us to have 3 or 4 parties.

 

1. The Far Left aka The Progressives which would probably include the Green Party, Democratic Socialist, a few democrats and Liberals and some other left wing groups

2. Centralist Democrats or just a Centralist party in general made up of majority of democrats and a few moderate and Fiscal conservatives.

3. Conservatives- The hard core conservatives, made up of most of the Republican party

4. Libertarians or the Tea Party/ Trumps party, Now I can see this going either route as either the Hard core reactionary Conservative tea party splits off or they stay in with the Conservative party or the Libertarians split  or both and we get 5 parties.

 

Either way I don't see our current parties staying the same and I see it's time to split up and either get rid of them (not likely) or have a multiple party system.

 

What do y'all think?

Hypothetical election with 4 parties...

 

Progressives - 25%

Conservatives - 25%

Democrats - 30%

Libertarians - 20%

 

Hooray the Democrats won! Do you really want a President elected that 70% of the country voted against? How can anyone get to the required electoral votes to win? Do we just have runoffs until someone gets there? 2 party system is better.

I have to disagree with you (Lysistrata).

So far only the southern states have voted which he expected to not win many of but heading towards the west he will see a jump in delegates

You touched the important fact and shortcomming of a 2-party system, it only works up until +50% votes go to a single party. The US is diversing itself in voting which gives rise to a certain diminishing of a +50% happening. And while the current set-up still heavely favours a 2-party system, you will find that the 2 parties will crack further and further from the inside up until they basically run on "We aren't the other party" (which already happens anyway )

 

You could start evolving to a system many Mediterranean nations have, where you get many smaller local parties but they blob together in 2/3 massive parties when running for president.

Can the President pardon Hillary before she is arrested? Is there some law like that? Will it unfold like the Iran Contra affair? 

LOL! 

"I Barack Obama, Pardon Hillary Clinton for any crime she has committed that she will be convicted of in the future"

Yes I'm sure that would go over well.

I have to disagree with you (Lysistrata).

So far only the southern states have voted which he expected to not win many of but heading towards the west he will see a jump in delegates

Okay... this thread is full of my own opinions, everyone has them. I still want the Sanders vs. Trump election. I think the U.S.A. really needs the Socialism vs. Capitalism election... It would be epic!

 

 

I have to disagree with you (Lysistrata).

So far only the southern states have voted which he expected to not win many of but heading towards the west he will see a jump in delegates

Okay... this thread is full of my own opinions, everyone has them. I still want the Sanders vs. Trump election. I think the U.S.A. really needs the Socialism vs. Capitalism election... It would be epic!

Yes I'm aware its your opinion Lysistrata. I was jumping into the convo lol. Yes the socialist vs neo Nazi would be epic 🙌