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[KevinH]

My vote on Avater was based on inactivity.  When the town needs votes, he won't be there to deliver if he's a townie and there's just as much likelihood that he is scum as any other unconfirmed player.

[Mandarijn]

@TW: What result does person Z get? If:

- person X watches Y

- person Z 'voyeurs' Y

- X gets killed

 

No result or watched?

[Mandarijn]

Vote:  Mandarijn

 

FOS:  Lyner, Imran, ABT, Canik, Kevin

From Rhizo's post: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-5/?p=854318

All confirmed or pretty much confirmed townies.

 

So it's definitly 4 of these 5 guys (only Yehom isn't on both lists, but I kinda believe him): I'm convinced Finster is 100% scum, Rafay 95%, Avater and Robert are 50-50% and iSoc is well he's probably 60-70%...

 

So I'd rather vote for a Finster or Rafay, than for Avater as we can be down 2 townies that way (not that Avater is of much use, but he's also of no use to the scum I think, unless he's still active there, which would be really lame...).

 

 

Vote: Finster Baby

 

 

I also agree with you guys, it's better to keep Roq alive and let him protect the confirmed townies.

[Mandarijn]

UPDATED

Green is confirmed town, light green is pretty much confirmed town, yellow is most probably town. Orange is most probably scum, rest is unsure, but 1-2 out of 3 are scum.

 

 

 

Yesterday at deadline:

Rhizoctonia (5): KevinH, Finster Baby, Yehom, Ali bin Turban, Rafay, Mandarijn, Lyner

Canik (3): Rhizoctonia, Canik, iSocialism

iSocialism (2): Roquentin

Not voting: Avater, Robert2424, Canik

 

 

Day 3 at deadline:

d3mon (5): Rafay, KevinH, Roquentin, Rhizoctonia, Yehom

Rhizoctonia (5): Chaplain of Death, Canik, Imran Ehsan, Mandarijn, Ali bin Turban

Canik (1): Finster Baby

Finster Baby (1): Lyner

Imran Ehsan (1): iSocialism (GOT KILLED DURING THE NIGHT)

Not voting: Avater, d3mon, Robert2424

 

Day 2 at deadline:

Kaziocore (5): Roquentin, KevinH, Lyner, King Hitler, Mandarijn

Lyner (4): Canik, Chaplain of Death, Finster Baby, iSocialism

Canik (1): Ali bin Turban

Imran Ehsan (1): Rhizoctonia

King Hitler (1): TheDoom/Yehom (GOT KILLED DURING THE NIGHT)

Rhizoctonia (1): Imran Ehsan

 

Not voting: Avater, d3mon, Kaziocore, Rafay, Robert2424

 

 

iSoc hasn't voted on any scum yet and the other 2 are just inactive...

Finster and Rafay only jumped on Rhizo's wagon on the 2nd day, because they gave up on him. They both stayed off the previous day.

Finster and maybe iSoc were the scum(s) on Lyners wagon, they prefered to lynch him over Kazio, but didn't want to take to much risks.

Rafay started the wagon on an inactive in an attempt to divert attention from Rhizo and it worked.

[KevinH]

Is it time yet?

 

Unvote.

I guess it's not time yet.

Vote: Finster Baby.

Mandarijn does good analysis.

[Finster Baby]

So lemme get this straight.

Since I laid off Rhizo the first day as I felt Canik was the better choice at the time, and then didn't come at him full throated soon as day broke the next day that makes me scum??

Hardly. Pardon me for having my own RL business keeping me from participating as much as you'd like.

If you remember, I did go and analyze why I felt Rhizo was the better choice than Canik at the time. I still feel that analysis of Rhizo at the time was dead on, and it was accurate, as he DID have a power role, as opposed to being VT as he claimed all along.

I don't buy Lyner's roleclaims right now, nor do I buy Yehom's either. I'm not going to change my vote, but at this point everyone is suspect, as the scum are trying to save their own skins.

[Lyner]

Vote: Finster Baby

[Canik]

FB was in real early on Rhizo on D4. Pretty bold of him if he is scum.

[Mandarijn]

FB was in real early on Rhizo on D4. Pretty bold of him if he is scum.

True, but don't you think if you were scum and Rhizo almost got lynched the previous day that they would agree to sacrifice him the next day and earn town points?

 

Both Rhizo and Finster have been pushing for Canik/Shah. Finster has remained vague and not committing on anyone else besides him.

 

If Finster isn't scum, then Lyner/Yehom or Canik/Roq are lying, but at this point I'm not convinced about that yet, but we'll see when we lynch Finster. If he isn't Lyner and Yehom are scum. (REMEMBER THIS IF FINSTER ISN'T SCUM AND I'M DEAD ) Also Finster hasn't given any usefull info yet (together with Rafay, iSoc, Canik and our 2 inactives), Roq is vouching for Canik, which leaves us with our 5 potential scum candidates... It would be really nice if Rafay, iSoc, Avater and Robert could share their thoughts with us. Especially if they're town as it's because of their inactivity that we don't have this in the bag yet...

[Mandarijn]

So lemme get this straight.

Since I laid off Rhizo the first day as I felt Canik was the better choice at the time, and then didn't come at him full throated soon as day broke the next day that makes me scum??

Hardly. Pardon me for having my own RL business keeping me from participating as much as you'd like.

If you remember, I did go and analyze why I felt Rhizo was the better choice than Canik at the time. I still feel that analysis of Rhizo at the time was dead on, and it was accurate, as he DID have a power role, as opposed to being VT as he claimed all along.

I don't buy Lyner's roleclaims right now, nor do I buy Yehom's either. I'm not going to change my vote, but at this point everyone is suspect, as the scum are trying to save their own skins.

And the day before you still wanted to lynch Lyner. It's either you or Lyner+Yehom, at least they have given us some info (although it's nothing that can't be reproduced as there was no real new info), so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt at this point.

[Lyner]

 

If Finster isn't scum, then Lyner/Yehom or Canik/Roq are lying, but at this point I'm not convinced about that yet, but we'll see when we lynch Finster. If he isn't Lyner and Yehom are scum. (REMEMBER THIS IF FINSTER ISN'T SCUM AND I'M DEAD ) Also Finster hasn't given any usefull info yet (together with Rafay, iSoc, Canik and our 2 inactives), Roq is vouching for Canik, which leaves us with our 5 potential scum candidates... It would be really nice if Rafay, iSoc, Avater and Robert could share their thoughts with us. Especially if they're town as it's because of their inactivity that we don't have this in the bag yet...

 

Your scum grouping is a mess, Manda

 

 

 

First I confirmed Roq's claim, that means if Roq is scum then I am scum too. But Yehom? I pressured Yehom early at the day, and Yehom suddenly role claimed to hopefully 'clear' my name. I don't see how you can group us together.

 

And Canik? I fervently push for a Canik lynch since second day, I think you can safely say that we can't both be scums together, perhaps one is town and one is scum or both are town, but no way we can both be scums.

Which means a Roq-Lyner-Canik scum circle couldn't happen

[The Warrior]

@TW: What result does person Z get? If:

- person X watches Y

- person Z 'voyeurs' Y

- X gets killed

 

No result or watched?

Person Z would see "watched".

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

 

Finster Baby (3): Mandarijn, KevinH, Lyner

Yehom (2): iSocialism, Finster Baby

Avater (0):

Canik (0):
iSocialism (0):
KevinH (0):
Lyner (0):
Mandarijn (0):
Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Roquentin (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, Canik, Rafay, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at update (deadline).
Update (deadline) is Tuesday, May 31st, at 10:00am CN Server Time.

[Mandarijn]

Yeah, I don't remember how I matched you up with Yehom, but you're in the same color in my notes. I don't match you with Canik though, I match him with Roq. 

 

That's why Finster is (most probably) scum. He could be the 1 townie of the 5, but chances are very slim...

[Canik]

True, but don't you think if you were scum and Rhizo almost got lynched the previous day that they would agree to sacrifice him the next day and earn town points?

That does seem likely.. and I guess they would try to spread their votes out some so they don't all join Rhizo's wagon suspiciously late.

And since FB seems to want to vote his own way and isn't going to follow the virtually confirmed town, I guess we're not risking much by lynching him.

I'll go ahead and add my vote to him for now, but I'm very open to hearing arguments on why Rafay/Avater/Robert might be better if anyone wants to make those arguments.

Vote: Finister Baby

[Mandarijn]

Let's give Finster still a chance to defend himself before we lynch him.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

 

Finster Baby (4): Mandarijn, KevinH, Lyner, Canik

Yehom (2): iSocialism, Finster Baby

Avater (0):

Canik (0):
iSocialism (0):
KevinH (0):
Lyner (0):
Mandarijn (0):
Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Roquentin (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, Canik, Rafay, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at update (deadline).
Update (deadline) is Tuesday, May 31st, at 10:00am CN Server Time.

[iSocialism]

I think row should protect me, it's the only way to clear my name.

Also
Vote FB

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

 

Finster Baby (5): Mandarijn, KevinH, Lyner, Canik, iSocialism

Yehom (1): Finster Baby

Avater (0):

Canik (0):
iSocialism (0):
KevinH (0):
Lyner (0):
Mandarijn (0):
Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Roquentin (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, Canik, Rafay, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at update (deadline).
Update (deadline) is Tuesday, May 31st, at 10:00am CN Server Time.

[Mandarijn]

I think row should protect me, it's the only way to clear my name.

Also
Vote FB

No. We don't want to risk his life...

 

You should clear your name by taking part in the discussion and giving us your thoughts...