I thought it would be fun to poll IRON in regards to the US Presidential Election. Even if you are not from the US, vote for whichever candidate that most appeals to you. And please leave a comment as to why you chose that specific candidate.

 

This poll will run until November 7th, the day before the US Presidential Election.

Though many people in the United States refuse to accept it, Donald Trump is the type of president that we need to have. Sure, he may not appeal to many people because of his persona or how he comes off when news channels (that get funded just like politicians) report on him, but his presidency is most likely not going to be marked with the same "say one thing, do another" policy most presidents tend to employ. His presidency will (hopefully) incite some form of change in the political system that hopefully will lead to more people who aren't funded by companies to seek positions in the House and Senate, where the real change can start.

Personally I tend to agree that Trump can at times makes some questionable statements, but he actually has presented some good ideas and I have the belief that he will actually try to help America as a whole recover from the trillions and trillions we have lost because of past Presidents' (Obama) spending. Plus, how could I consider voting for someone who plans to continue the same crap we've endured for the past 8 years? Not even to mention the many, many lies she has consistently told about her entire email server. If the fact that she has blatantly lied to the American people, sold off US secrets, takes donations from other countries, yet is never questioned and let off with nothing doesn't tell you how much we need change, then our country has already been sold off to the highest bidder.

 

Just my two cents. Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I have a point. In the end it's all just what your personal opinion is lol

Hillary is a definite no for me. I'd rather a man who talks out of turn and says questionable things sometimes than a woman who DOES unquestionable things.

 

Gary Johnson has ruined the libertarian party for me. I was anot active libertarian until he became the candidate. I can't support someone who has a lot of differences in where I believe the country should head, even if it is from "my" party.

 

Jill doesn't seem to take it seriously to me. I don't think we should have a president who can't take things serious.

 

Trump on the other hand has a few areas I differ with him on. The way he handled that Purple Heart with a "wish I could earn one" didn't go too well for me, but I've learned civilians are always going to say stuff that comes out wrong. As far as his actions, Trump out of the remaining candidates, is the only one I truly see taking initiative to make things better. The main turning point was his speech where he talked about poverty, making education in the inner cities just as good as everywhere else. He hit areas in that speech I haven't heard any other candidate even mention. He showed a different side there and it's a side I don't mind as president. It was professional, sincere, and, again this is my opinion, it felt like he was speaking as a president, not a candidate.

 

That's my opinion. I would enjoy to actually hear why people would vote for someone else though. Not to argue, but I like knowing reasoning behind people's thoughts.

Glad I'm not an American citizen, you only have awful choices.... Jill Stein if you'd put a gun to my head.

This is likely the one and only time I post here because I don't want to lose respect for anyone.

 

I will prolly vote Clinton, but I prefer Jill Stein. It isn't so much that I'm voting for Clinton as I am voting against Trump, who is terrifyingly unqualified and dangerous IMO.

Just a general observation... Wouldn't this topic be better suited to the "Real Life - Current Events and World News" section of the forums since it does pertain to current politics and the US Election in just under two months now.

I know I'm not american but I personally would vote for Clinton, for me Trump is a flimflam man, Stephen King wrote a book call Dead Zone, where the main bad guy/villain was a presidential candidate and trump reminds me of that guy

I'd go for Hillary, cause as I see it you got:

- a politician

- a reality star

- someone green?

- lol libertarians

either way I'm not re-uping my contract. No way am I willing to call either of these two my Commander in Chief...

 

Also here are a couple of fun videos to demonstrate how voting actually works in the US:

 

https://youtu.be/90RajY2nrgk

 

https://youtu.be/Zd5rul6EdF0

Trump introduction, Miami Florida 9/16/16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZLf23mKbQ

At this point, I don't like Hillery or trump. Therefore I refuse to vote for either of them. So atm I'm leaning Johnson, but I don't know his polices. So sometime between now and November I'll take an extensive look at him as a whole.

 

I think this election will have the most people voting 3rd party more then they have in probably 100 years cause people are dissatisfied with the 2 main choices this year. If I fell neither candidate deserves my vote why should I give it to them? It's my vote and I'll vote for whoever I want to. And if your one of those people who say voting 3rd party is wasting my vote, your part of the problem. You are vote shaming. Only way you waste your vote is voting for someone you don't want to vote for.

Just a general observation... Wouldn't this topic be better suited to the "Real Life - Current Events and World News" section of the forums since it does pertain to current politics and the US Election in just under two months now.

General Spam covers it all

General Spam encompasses everything lol

Glad I'm not an American citizen, you only have awful choices.... Jill Stein if you'd put a gun to my head.

same.

why don't you have the constitution party as a choice?

my two cents is neither one but I do like mike pence (I lived in Indiana when I was younger) and for me at least he stands with what he believes at least that's what I've heard from the people I talk to that still live in Indiana

there can't be anything much worse than Hillary 

either way i'm still too young to vote but my vote would go for trump if I was old enough

At this point, I don't like Hillery or trump. Therefore I refuse to vote for either of them. So atm I'm leaning Johnson, but I don't know his polices. So sometime between now and November I'll take an extensive look at him as a whole.

I think this election will have the most people voting 3rd party more then they have in probably 100 years cause people are dissatisfied with the 2 main choices this year. If I fell neither candidate deserves my vote why should I give it to them? It's my vote and I'll vote for whoever I want to. And if your one of those people who say voting 3rd party is wasting my vote, your part of the problem. You are vote shaming. Only way you waste your vote is voting for someone you don't want to vote for.

Pretty much how I feel.

Heared there is a Whigs party, I lol'd

Hillary is crazy and Trump is crazy but just as said above, I'd rather vote for someone who says questionable things than does questionable things. Trump is not a racist when we are talking about Mexicans and it genuinely pisses me off beyond belief when some uninformed left wing wingnut says that Trump is "targeting Mexicans" like honestly, could you be more ignorant? Trump is targeting ILLEGALS who are stealing jobs, not Mexicans. And since I'm on the topic of Mexicans and immigration laws, let me share a couple. http://www.sunbaypaper.com/national/politics/mexico-s-immigration-policies-much-harsher-than-u-s in this article it states how Mexican immigration laws are 10x harsher than American ones.

tl;dr he isn't attacking Mexicans

 

Now, let me separate from that and go into another contreversial tangent (BTW I hate when people get mad at people for talking about "contreversial thigs" like it's real world news... go to a safe space and get some counseling), now for the muslim deportation and refusal of refugees. First off, let's talk about the refusal of refugees coming to America from war-torn Syria and other countries. Personally, I feel bad that they have to endure this and that their country has to go through this but frankly, I really don't care that they have to leave their country. All I care about is their choice of a "safe haven" (being America in this case although it isn't really a safe haven) is my country, America. Go to England, Scotland, Germany, France, Austrailia, hell go to zimbabwe for all I care but why do you HAVE to go to America? America has been the world's peacekeepers for hundreds of years and it has made me angry ever since I could understand what thet means. We aided the Vietnamese and Koreans in wars that we didn't have to take part in and now we're harboring refugees that do nothing for this country but take it's jobs and ruin its neighborhoods. I could go on but I want to say one more thing.

tl;dr stay out of America

 

Now for my final point, the removal of Muslims. Now, this topic has been on the hot plate ever since Trump even had a notion of the idea in any sentence he had. Although Trump has dropped the word "Muslims" and started using "people from terrorist countries" stating "It doesn’t matter where you’re coming from, except for fact that the terrorist nations, which is something he is adding to this policy to make it more clear, that if you are coming from a hostile nation and you can not be vetted, absolutely you should not come into this country" which was said by a Trump spokesperson. And this I also completely agree with. If you are from Syria or Iraq or one of those middle eastern countries and you can not be 100% cleared for being a terrorist, the get the hell out. Guess which country didn't do this? FRANCE! and look what has happened to them recently, and we have a btter way of sniffing out terrorists but it isn't that much better. So now, feminists and "Black Lives Matter" supporters (stupid "coalition" I'd say if you can even call it that) are using everything and anything they can find to say he's "sexist" and "racist" and it's just asinine and ignorant.

tl;dr it's not muslims, it's terrorists he's getting rid of

 

But then again, I am only 15 and can't vote yet 

 

EDIT: Ahhhh, now I am done

Though you are only 15, I must say you did very well to articulate your points and I enjoyed reading them (even got a chuckle out of the tl;dr summaries )

 

I must point out another theory on why various groups don't support Trump is because of his policies, not exactly because of ignorance. Trump is not exactly bound to the tiny voices of political lobbyists throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into his campaign in exchange for "certain luxuries" when it comes to different federal laws and policies. Keep in mind these multi-billion dollar companies almost are purchasing different benefits so they can make more money in the end. The reason almost none of these groups or big companies want Trump to win is because his victory will bring an end to their secret reign over the country. That's why Hillary Clinton keeps calling him a "wild card," because when he becomes 45th President of the United States he's going try to make significant economic changes that starts to squeeze these companies to either pay more to produce in China or start coming back home for their production, whereas she will change nothing but talk about it all day while these companies feed her millions and millions more.

The current politicians will beckon no change, and the Clinton family are masters of the current political system, so why would they want it to change?

Yeah, nobody wants some politician who follows (political) pressure groups! We just want a president who just does it for himself anyway!

Got some good replies! Glad to see people talking about the future of our country.

 

Just a general observation... Wouldn't this topic be better suited to the "Real Life - Current Events and World News" section of the forums since it does pertain to current politics and the US Election in just under two months now.

I wasn't expecting this thread to be taken very seriously, so I put it in the Spam section. I will be moving it since it has gained interest.

 

why don't you have the constitution party as a choice?

I only wanted to list the Major Political Parties, and I thought the Constitution Party was listed under the Minor Political Parties. I just looked it up and I see they are listed as a Major Party. Thank you for pointing that out and I will edit the poll to include them!

 

Hillary is crazy and Trump is crazy but just as said above, I'd rather vote for someone who says questionable things than does questionable things. Trump is not a racist when we are talking about Mexicans and it genuinely pisses me off beyond belief when some uninformed left wing wingnut says that Trump is "targeting Mexicans" like honestly, could you be more ignorant? Trump is targeting ILLEGALS who are stealing jobs, not Mexicans. And since I'm on the topic of Mexicans and immigration laws, let me share a couple. http://www.sunbaypaper.com/national/politics/mexico-s-immigration-policies-much-harsher-than-u-s in this article it states how Mexican immigration laws are 10x harsher than American ones.

tl;dr he isn't attacking Mexicans

 

Now, let me separate from that and go into another contreversial tangent (BTW I hate when people get mad at people for talking about "contreversial thigs" like it's real world news... go to a safe space and get some counseling), now for the muslim deportation and refusal of refugees. First off, let's talk about the refusal of refugees coming to America from war-torn Syria and other countries. Personally, I feel bad that they have to endure this and that their country has to go through this but frankly, I really don't care that they have to leave their country. All I care about is their choice of a "safe haven" (being America in this case although it isn't really a safe haven) is my country, America. Go to England, Scotland, Germany, France, Austrailia, hell go to zimbabwe for all I care but why do you HAVE to go to America? America has been the world's peacekeepers for hundreds of years and it has made me angry ever since I could understand what thet means. We aided the Vietnamese and Koreans in wars that we didn't have to take part in and now we're harboring refugees that do nothing for this country but take it's jobs and ruin its neighborhoods. I could go on but I want to say one more thing.

tl;dr stay out of America

 

Now for my final point, the removal of Muslims. Now, this topic has been on the hot plate ever since Trump even had a notion of the idea in any sentence he had. Although Trump has dropped the word "Muslims" and started using "people from terrorist countries" stating "It doesn’t matter where you’re coming from, except for fact that the terrorist nations, which is something he is adding to this policy to make it more clear, that if you are coming from a hostile nation and you can not be vetted, absolutely you should not come into this country" which was said by a Trump spokesperson. And this I also completely agree with. If you are from Syria or Iraq or one of those middle eastern countries and you can not be 100% cleared for being a terrorist, the get the hell out. Guess which country didn't do this? FRANCE! and look what has happened to them recently, and we have a btter way of sniffing out terrorists but it isn't that much better. So now, feminists and "Black Lives Matter" supporters (stupid "coalition" I'd say if you can even call it that) are using everything and anything they can find to say he's "sexist" and "racist" and it's just asinine and ignorant.

tl;dr it's not muslims, it's terrorists he's getting rid of

 

But then again, I am only 15 and can't vote yet 

 

EDIT: Ahhhh, now I am done

This is spot on how I feel about political correctness, safe zones, and liberal garbage that Democrats fabricate in attempt to guilt trip people into believing it. Have you ever considered going into local politics? You tell the truth as is and are not afraid to risk offending someone if they need to be reminded that is not how America works.

 

If you stuck to those campaign promises, you would have my vote.

http://m.9gag.com/gag/agG4O9n/friendly-guide-to-us-presidential-candidate-issues

 

Probably the best non-biased policy guide I found. Stein isn't included, sorry.

 

For those unaware of the respective positions candidates have on certain events. Like I stated, Trump has the most I agree with. I do differ on issues like Marijuana (though I don't smoke, Johnson has the best revenue plan for marijuana.)

Space travel should have government funding. As someone going to school to be an astrophysicist, this one is important as space projects have invented numerous life changing daily things. While a private sector should be open, a government funded should exist. Same for healthcare. And his stance on gay marriage. I'm all for States rights. I believe states should have more power than the federal in several aspects. Gay marriage, however, should be a country wide decision. This coming for a Conservative Christian Texan. The right to marry shouldnot differ state to state.

 

But as far as those unaware on certain stances, the URL above has a pretty good guide. (Disclaimer: I hate 9gag but it's the only site I could find that guide and it won't let me post it from my phone gallery.)

 

 

This is spot on how I feel about political correctness, safe zones, and liberal garbage that Democrats fabricate in attempt to guilt trip people into believing it. Have you ever considered going into local politics? You tell the truth as is and are not afraid to risk offending someone if they need to be reminded that is not how America works.   If you stuck to those campaign promises, you would have my vote.

 My family always tell me that I would be a good politician but right now I want to be a Marine and do the fighting at the source rather than at the debates. And plus, I've only said what everyone else thinks but can't put into words. I might try politics though.

Hillary is crazy and Trump is crazy but just as said above, I'd rather vote for someone who says questionable things than does questionable things. Trump is not a racist when we are talking about Mexicans and it genuinely pisses me off beyond belief when some uninformed left wing wingnut says that Trump is "targeting Mexicans" like honestly, could you be more ignorant? Trump is targeting ILLEGALS who are stealing jobs, not Mexicans. And since I'm on the topic of Mexicans and immigration laws, let me share a couple. http://www.sunbaypaper.com/national/politics/mexico-s-immigration-policies-much-harsher-than-u-s in this article it states how Mexican immigration laws are 10x harsher than American ones.

tl;dr he isn't attacking Mexicans

 

Now, let me separate from that and go into another contreversial tangent (BTW I hate when people get mad at people for talking about "contreversial thigs" like it's real world news... go to a safe space and get some counseling), now for the muslim deportation and refusal of refugees. First off, let's talk about the refusal of refugees coming to America from war-torn Syria and other countries. Personally, I feel bad that they have to endure this and that their country has to go through this but frankly, I really don't care that they have to leave their country. All I care about is their choice of a "safe haven" (being America in this case although it isn't really a safe haven) is my country, America. Go to England, Scotland, Germany, France, Austrailia, hell go to zimbabwe for all I care but why do you HAVE to go to America? America has been the world's peacekeepers for hundreds of years and it has made me angry ever since I could understand what thet means. We aided the Vietnamese and Koreans in wars that we didn't have to take part in and now we're harboring refugees that do nothing for this country but take it's jobs and ruin its neighborhoods. I could go on but I want to say one more thing.

tl;dr stay out of America

 

Now for my final point, the removal of Muslims. Now, this topic has been on the hot plate ever since Trump even had a notion of the idea in any sentence he had. Although Trump has dropped the word "Muslims" and started using "people from terrorist countries" stating "It doesn’t matter where you’re coming from, except for fact that the terrorist nations, which is something he is adding to this policy to make it more clear, that if you are coming from a hostile nation and you can not be vetted, absolutely you should not come into this country" which was said by a Trump spokesperson. And this I also completely agree with. If you are from Syria or Iraq or one of those middle eastern countries and you can not be 100% cleared for being a terrorist, the get the hell out. Guess which country didn't do this? FRANCE! and look what has happened to them recently, and we have a btter way of sniffing out terrorists but it isn't that much better. So now, feminists and "Black Lives Matter" supporters (stupid "coalition" I'd say if you can even call it that) are using everything and anything they can find to say he's "sexist" and "racist" and it's just asinine and ignorant.

tl;dr it's not muslims, it's terrorists he's getting rid of

 

But then again, I am only 15 and can't vote yet 

 

EDIT: Ahhhh, now I am done

 

 

Okay so first, the problem isn't the illegals. The problem is that we have greedy asshats running corporations taking advantage of the fact that they can pay those illegals less money illegally to do the same jobs they could hire someone to do legally. They are taking advantage of the situation and thereby making the problem worse. If businesses weren't illegally "hiring" these people, there wouldn't be a problem. 

 

 

America has chosen to be the "world peacekeeper" (funny title considering we pick a lot of fights that didn't need to happen). They have chosen to do that because it benefits us in one way or another to be in those wars. We can put our poker face on and pretend that we are doing it for the benefit of some people in that country on the other side of the planet but that's not why we are there. If we are going to stir shit up and ruin peoples lives for our own benefit, then we should take responsibility for the consequences. Not all of them come to the United States anyway, plenty go to the other countries you listed, more so than come to the US actually I believe.

 

 

As for the Muslim issue..... It is all Muslims hes trying to get rid of. He's doing it to "get rid of the terrorists", but he wants to deport them and then refuse to take any from that entire region of the world. Personally I have no issue with a stricter immigration process for people coming from a region of conflict, but deporting people for their race is 100% racist. Lets walk through a theoretical for you guys since many of you probably disagree. 

 

Lets say you are a white and you go on a trip to Dubai. You're doing your thing, you aren't bothering anyone, but everywhere you go people are either terrified of you, or straight up hate you, just because you are white. Then the police breach you room in the middle of the night, arrest you, throw you in jail for being white. They most likely interrogate you, they aren't gentle, because you are "one of them", which automatically means you are there to kill people. After being roughed up in that jail, treated like absolute garbage, they ship you back to your country. You have 0 recourse. Anything you took with you is most likely confiscated or "lost".               Okay now lets dial it up to their version of this. You aren't from some safe country in the western world. You are from a country that is tearing itself apart in a war that the world is mostly ignoring. At any time you and your family could be killed. Oh did I forget to mention that this war was brought about by the actions of the western world that is choosing to stay out of it now? Right when you thought you were finally safe from all of this, some Short Fingered Orange Vulgarian (haha SM) racist gets elected to President and orders that you and everyone who looks like you is to be deported.

 

You can say that its "not our problem", but the arm of the United States Government is long. They have already reached in and gotten involved in this whole mess. That makes it our problem. If we want to adopt the "not our problem" policy (which I don't agree with but thats because I'm one of those "bleeding heart" types who believes that if you have the power to make someone else's life better, then you have the responsibility to do so. You know, great power, great responsibility), then we have to get our hands out of whats going on over there, which will never happen because oil, and destabilizing governments that could threaten Israel because apparently the "not our problem" argument only applies to Muslims.

aaaah the "safe zones" and "political correctness" resurfaces.

 

Any "group" nowadays is a "safe zone" of likeminded "group" drones just rehashing the "group" line until they find someone who says it (a little) differently and they outright go for an attack. Trump is running as many "safe zones" as is the next person.

 

PC? Its caled politeness. What you dislike, and what basically everyone dislikes, is not speaking about things that are clear as day not to envoke (possible?) retaliation for it. Sad part is that most of these "clear as day" facts as far and between when spoken together with "I say this cause I aint PC!". You aren't being anti-PC, or anti-"shun-nobody", by spouting generalisations and quick one-liners with little substance or grounding in fact.

 

I said this before and I will say it again, Trump aint the fool, it is the american pubic deciding the message he brings is "make America great again" is a good one.

 

 

Also I found this:

Linky link, yes some are stupid