The first of the 3 televised Presidential Debates is airing tonight between 9pm to 10:30pm EST. Even if you do not have Cable/Satellite, Antenna, you can still watch it online for free. Many news sites are broadcasting it and I believe Facebook and YouTube will be airing it as well.

 

I'll be watching C-SPAN's website as they are doing a split screen shot of both candidates, so we will get to see how they both react toward questions/answers.

 

I'm sure other networks will be doing pre coverage, but here is C-SPAN's schedule:

 

7:30 PM EST: Debate Preview

8:30 PM EST: Pre Debate Briefing for the audience

9:00 PM EST Debate begins

 

https://www.c-span.org/

He didn't hover over Hillary, she walked in front of him, and someone had a good camera angle.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlKSTSTCjtc

 

 

http://metro.co.uk/video/embed/1338193

 

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/785301699250585600/photo/1

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/donald-trump-looming-hillary-clinton-presidential-debate/index.html?sr=twCNN100916donald-trump-looming-hillary-clinton-presidential-debate1006PMVODtop

Trump now melting down again on Twitter...so even supposing that he gained some positive news spin from the debate (doubtful but supposing) he has now turned the media cycle back on himself, the Republicans that are disowning him, and by extension, the video that is crucifying him. And therefore neatly spinning Clinton out of the picture of the scandals. 

 

This, right here, is why he is going to lose. His grasp of basic political strategy is so weak. I used to think maybe there was some master plan, some clever trick or spin that was behind this...not since the general election campaign started in earnest. He is bleeding out. 

I am quite worried he's going to win.  I think he taps into the fear and hatred of a certain group of angry white Americans, who don't care about reality.  What would this man do if he had to deal with world affairs and someone looked at him cross eyed?  He'd launch the nukes!

 

 

Calling out the corrupt Justice Department doesn't make him a dictator... it makes him a hero.

 

Promising to throw your political opponent in jail and sigh, whatever.  This says so miuch:

 http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/9/13222826/donald-trump-debate-clinton-jail-dictator

 

Vox? Really? I wouldn't throw Alex Jones at you and call it a day... and anyone who isn't a 3 time married multi billionaire that hangs out in locker rooms is qualified to answer the question. If he was at work... how can you believe he was serious at all?

 

This is rich... I just saw Hillary in Florida dragging out of the pickle jar, that "real" con-man loser, Al Gore... remember in his stupid con-man film when he said Florida would be under water by now? Well now they get up there today and say that Florida will be under water... wait for it... BY THE END OF THE CENTURY! How stupid do they think people are? The century just started. No one will be around to say "Well Shit!, Al Gore pulled our leg again!"

 

I still find it humorous that Hillary can crowd up 500 people and make it look like there are thousands in the room. What a peach.

 

He even creeps out chairs!

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/10/images-sealed-donald-trumps-fate-predatory-creep.html

 

Oh and here's a special treat for you:

 

http://www.someecards.com/news/politics/best-reactions-second-presidential-debate-funny/?utm_source=2016-10-11&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

 

He didn't hover over Hillary, she walked in front of him, and someone had a good camera angle.

 

 

 

 

 

http://metro.co.uk/video/embed/1338193

 

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/785301699250585600/photo/1

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/donald-trump-looming-hillary-clinton-presidential-debate/index.html?sr=twCNN100916donald-trump-looming-hillary-clinton-presidential-debate1006PMVODtop

Holy shit, that fat guy in the back though...how big is he?

 

Just to add something remotely on topic here, no haven't heard any "locker room" talk like that in either the workplace or a locker room

My god... the man is merely walking over to his podium and you call him a stalker? You have a career, habitual lying, criminal... and you're hung up on Trump talking about grabbing some pussy... and this is coming from the one who lives in the x-rated section of the forum. Don't let anyone tell you that Democrat, Progressive, Socialist, Communists, don't have their priorities straight. If my choice is being that, or being deplorable... I guess I'm deplorable.

My god... the man is merely walking over to his podium and you call him a stalker? You have a career, habitual lying, criminal... and you're hung up on Trump talking about grabbing some pussy... and this is coming from the one who lives in the x-rated section of the forum. Don't let anyone tell you that Democrat, Progressive, Socialist, Communists, don't have their priorities straight. If my choice is being that, or being deplorable... I guess I'm deplorable.

You are deplorable, not for being a closed minded, fact twisting, man (although that is what you are), you are deplorable for thinking grabbing a woman by the pussy is a sexual act, instead of a violent one. You are deplorable for attempting to slut shame me!  You say I am "living in the x-rated section of the forum," in an effort to invalidate and discredit my disgust at the predatory behavior and bragging on the part of your hero.  You will no doubt say you didn't just attack me, but you know you did and I know you did and everyone who sees the garbage you write knows you did.  Are you going to call me a whore next? An adulteress?  Will you attempt shame everyone who posts in the NSFW forum, including TW, or is it just me?   Does a strong, powerful woman, who is comfortable with sexuality really scare you so much?  You sad little man!  You have no idea how ugly and deplorable you are!  I feel really sorry for your daughters!

Honestly, spending time in a military barracks. What Trump said was child's play to some shit you hear there. Granted, I was disturbed at Trump's words as I mentioned, it isnt the worst thing to ever be said. Ive heard plenty worse. (Not saying what was said there is appropriate, just it isnt the worst thing anyone has ever said.)

 

As far as the hypocrisy I see in this thread recently. How is it fine us to accept Hillarys apology regarding calling black kids.super predators but we cant accept Trumps? Why is it we have to shame Trump for saying he'd grab a girl by the pussy, but we turn a blind eye to the long rapsheet of women Hillary has intimidated to cover her husbands sexual assault? We can focus on what Trump said to Mr.and Mrs. Khan (me personally, I am disgusted they'd even use their son's death as a political front. Shame on them and anyone else involved with that. Hillary and Trump both.) But we can ignore the way Benghazi was handled? We can ignore the way Hillary treats Secret Service (many are vets). We can ignore the way Hillary has treated the Benghazi parents, but God forbid a gold star family blame Trump for a war that HILLARY VOTED FOR! Trump mentions wanting to secure our borders (holy fuck. What country shouldnt have secure borders??) And hes racist. Hillary called her campaign manager a fucking jew in 1974. She made a joke about Ghandi at a gas station as senator. In 2005, she stated we need a wall and illegal immigration had to stop. No outrage towards mexicans from that?? This year alone she made comments about "color people time" as a way of saying things are slow. She called native americans off the reservation 'wild men' and painted them as savages. Its racist when Trump eats a taco bowl and seen as him trying to gain Mexican voters, but when Hillary carries a bottle of hot sauce in her.pocket and mentions it on.a primarily black radio show, nothing. Hillary has decades worth of anti-black, anti-latin, and anti-semitic comments but because Trump says some illegals are criminals, hes a racist?

 

If you have a problem with racism, truly have an issue with it. Not just what you want to hate against one person. If you sit here and tell me Hillary isnt racist, or you sit here and tell me Hillary has always kept rape survivors interests in mind, and has always put this country before herself, you are a damn liar.

 

You can state that Trump is an evil, disgusting man, but the actual facts I'm seeing paint Hillary in a much worse light. And if you want to lose respect towards me for exercising my right to vote whoever the hell I want, so be it. A right fundamental to the American way and a right people have died for. I dont need respect from someone like that, who wants to try and give off a sense of vote blank or dont talk yo me. I have issues with Hillary, I have issues with people who refuse to acknowledge any wrong doing from.Hillary because they are too prideful to admit they are wrong, I do NOT have issues with Hillary voters who have legitimate reasons. If your reason is trump is this or that, look at Hillary. Granted, Trump has his flaws. I will be the first to.point them out. At the same time, Trump hasnt spent 30+ years in government and created the current system. Id like to give him a chance. Hillary had hers.

The man lies non-stop while at the same time telling Hillary she should be ashamed for "lying" on issues which she's telling the truth on. He refuses to apolagize for his egregious mistakes, and to demonstrate that "nobody respects women more than (trump)", he spent an hour and a half interrupting her, crying that they are picking on him for asking questions about the newest most relevant news in the race, and talking over her. Clearly he has the utmost respect for women. Lets just ask "ms. Housekeeping".

My god... the man is merely walking over to his podium and you call him a stalker? You have a career, habitual lying, criminal... and you're hung up on Trump talking about grabbing some pussy... and this is coming from the one who lives in the x-rated section of the forum. Don't let anyone tell you that Democrat, Progressive, Socialist, Communists, don't have their priorities straight. If my choice is being that, or being deplorable... I guess I'm deplorable.

This man is a father, a husband, he is surrounded by women that he is meant to love, and he talks about grabbing them by the pussy. How would you feel if some asshole grabbed your wife by the pussy, or even said they'd like to? You'd be angry, because you (hopefully) care about at least one woman in your life. Try pretending trump was talking about your nearest and dearest for a change, instead of some random woman you will never see or meet, and then vote for him if you can still stomach the idea of that man having control over your daughters future.

 

I shouldn't need to talk about why the "if you do X you deserve Y" view is stupid, but I will, it's fucking stupid, grow up and at least pretend to be a fully functioning adult for a change instead of a cowboy who somehow got wifi.

https://youtu.be/ECsGpjyuiQA

 

Also, not sure why republicans speak about women as if they were property but that shit seriously needs to stop. They are human-fucking-beings, you don't need to put them in terms of a man who is related somehow in order to feel outrage at how they are being treated.

 

https://youtu.be/-RNBJFLU7Oc

 

 

I feel really sorry for your daughters!

 

I have 2 Trump supporters, one Bernie Sanders (hates Hillary), and a son that doesn't care. When the girls call, it's fun... I say "Hello?" They say "Hi Dad"... I say "Hi Baby!" and they say "You're Deplorable"... and I say "I know... so are you". We're an American family.

Well trumps famous, and by his own words that entitles him to grab your daughters by "the pussy". Let that image sink in. The image of that 70 year old cheeto stain forcing himself on your daughters.

 

My god... the man is merely walking over to his podium and you call him a stalker? You have a career, habitual lying, criminal... and you're hung up on Trump talking about grabbing some pussy... and this is coming from the one who lives in the x-rated section of the forum. Don't let anyone tell you that Democrat, Progressive, Socialist, Communists, don't have their priorities straight. If my choice is being that, or being deplorable... I guess I'm deplorable.

This man is a father, a husband, he is surrounded by women that he is meant to love, and he talks about grabbing them by the pussy. How would you feel if some asshole grabbed your wife by the pussy, or even said they'd like to? You'd be angry, because you (hopefully) care about at least one woman in your life. Try pretending trump was talking about your nearest and dearest for a change, instead of some random woman you will never see or meet, and then vote for him if you can still stomach the idea of that man having control over your daughters future.

 

I shouldn't need to talk about why the "if you do X you deserve Y" view is stupid, but I will, it's fucking stupid, grow up and at least pretend to be a fully functioning adult for a change instead of a cowboy who somehow got wifi.

 

Ever see the Tim Allen sitcom called "Last Man Standing"? It closely resembles my own life... one difference is his job is marketing for sporting goods, and I'm marketing for cars. We had a younger son instead of the grandson in the show, and the girls were the absolute life of our home. They have all moved away now, and on their own paths... but they will always love their Dad.

 

I shouldn't need to talk about why the "if you do X you deserve Y" view is stupid, but I will, it's fucking stupid, grow up and at least pretend to be a fully functioning adult for a change instead of a cowboy who somehow got wifi.

 

Shhh... I just celebrated my 57th birthday last month. Don't tell anyone.

ooops... I once told you all that I wanted to know why there was so much CIA presence in Benghazi? Well here it is.

I could just post the Fox News story, but then I get accused of spreading a right wing conspiracy. So here is also a same story from the lefty Politico. Can everyone spell "corruption"?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/11/arms-dealer-says-administration-made-him-scapegoat-on-libya-operation-to-protect-clinton.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/marc-turi-libyan-rebels-hillary-clinton-229115

 

Hello CNN? Hello NBC? ABC? CBS? NPR? NYT?... yep, just what I thought.

Oh how surprising. Pointing out that trps comments and behavior dehumanize and demean women everywhere is met with calls of "yeah but what about climtons email server!?!" Clinton has engaged in shady business, just like our entire government has for the last 50 years or so.

 

Also, speaking of missing emails http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/web-video/missing-white-house-emails

Oh how surprising. Pointing out that trps comments and behavior dehumanize and demean women everywhere is met with calls of "yeah but what about climtons email server!?!" Clinton has engaged in shady business, just like our entire government has for the last 50 years or so.

 

Also, speaking of missing emails http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/web-video/missing-white-house-emails

Nothing classified would be sent through the RNC server, and if Alberto Gonzales runs for President, I'll be right there with you on this. Feel better? Shady business in our entire government for last 50 years or so... any chance Hillary would do anything about it?

 

Any chance 1 senator would do anything about it? Yeah not really. You don't think any confidential material went around just cause its an RNC server? Both the DNC and RNC are curropt and do whatever the hell they want. Democracy in America is a fucking joke until both are dismantled.

Id rather find out if hillary follows through on it because if she doesn't she'll never get reelected. Meanwhile trump is on the path to full dictator with his comment about putting clinton in jail. I get where he thinks its coming from and why how he may justify it, but it ends up coming across as a move to take out political opponents....... especially since he could easily escalate it to such, just like...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

you're hung up on Trump talking about grabbing some pussy... and this is coming from the one who lives in the x-rated section of the forum.

We don't have an x rated section. We have a NSFW section that is actually quite tame for the most part, though the discussion that takes place there is not for the underaged. Also what SM talks about by choice and where she chooses to do it bears exactly 0 relevance to the fact that she takes exception to Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women.

 

I could be a female prostitute in Nevada, it doesn't matter. Sexual contact without consent is rape and who you are and how openly sexual you are bears no relevance to whether or not consent matters. Consent ALWAYS matters.

Id rather find out if hillary follows through on it because if she doesn't she'll never get reelected. Meanwhile trump is on the path to full dictator with his comment about putting clinton in jail. I get where he thinks its coming from and why how he may justify it, but it ends up coming across as a move to take out political opponents....... especially since he could easily escalate it to such, just like...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

Hitler instructed his Attorney General to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate a miscarriage of justice? Wow, I thought he did more than that. All this time we all thought Hitler was so evil, until you came into our lives and cleared things up. Thank you so much for your superior knowledge. I will cherish the day I finally saw the light, and realized that Hillary Clinton is a Saint... A SAINT!

Oh jeez, ive sent him into a state of denial. My b.

 

 

Id rather find out if hillary follows through on it because if she doesn't she'll never get reelected. Meanwhile trump is on the path to full dictator with his comment about putting clinton in jail. I get where he thinks its coming from and why how he may justify it, but it ends up coming across as a move to take out political opponents....... especially since he could easily escalate it to such, just like...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

 

 

Hitler instructed his Attorney General to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate a miscarriage of justice? Wow, I thought he did more than that. All this time we all thought Hitler was so evil, until you came into our lives and cleared things up. Thank you so much for your superior knowledge. I will cherish the day I finally saw the light, and realized that Hillary Clinton is a Saint... A SAINT!

Of course she is. Hasnt you seen hillary.com?

...this is coming from the one who lives in the x-rated section of the forum. ...

We asked her to moderate it which is why she checks it regularly. Encouraging people to discuss things they enjoy is very different from claiming you can just grab people because you're famous (if you or I did it we'd be looking at sexual assault charges at the least).

 

At all:

Personal attacks aginst other members of the community are not acceptable, attack candidates, attack parties, attack corporations, but do not hit at each other. I'm more than happy to start forcing post moderation if this thread gets personal.

You didn't respond to my question.  I'll ask again:  I'd like to ask you men in this thread how often you've bragged about attempting and failing to seduce a married woman while you were married?  Have any of you bragged about grabbing women by the vagina and/or grabbing women and kissing them?  Do you think this is locker room talk?  Have you heard this stuff in a locker room?  Also, are you aware that Trump made these remarks while at work, NOT in a locker room.  Does that matter?

 

I have personally never spoken nor thought about portraying such behavior. However, much to my dismay, I've actually heard this kind of talk for a good portion of my life. And surprisingly it was not just from guys.

 

In high school, guys would talk about all the sexual stuff they wanted to do to girls. It was said on the bus, in class, walking the hallways, and the locker room. As for the girls, while not quite as open about it as guys, they too said some rather unpleasant sexual things in public. Who they wanted to hook up with, what they wanted to do when they hooked up with the guy, and how they hated every girl who dared get in the way of their sexual conquest.

 

In college, I didn't see/hear quite as much as in high school, but sexual conversations were still had in public. A few of my friends and acquaintances were very open about their sexual preferences.

 

At my current job, I hear it multiple times per day. Generally speaking a workplace is supposed to be a professional environment. Nevertheless, I have lost track of how many times my coworkers and supervisors have chosen to engage in sexual conversations for all to hear. It is mostly guys who choose to openly say things which violate sexual harassment rules, but even girls I have worked with chose to openly talk about their sexual life.

 

After years of constantly hearing this, I've come to the conclusion this is how 80%-85% of the population is. Truth be told, this day in age, both guys and girls enjoy publicly talking about their sexual life, fantasies, or desires. I do not know why, but this is today's current culture.

I stand behind Blade's post above. Personal attacks between IRON members have no place in this discussion.

 

On topic:

 

We can attack both candidates all day long about things they both have said/done. I am not a Trump supporter but I sure as hell am not going to vote for Hillary. I don't blame anyone for taking offense to certain things that Trump says. He has said things that I certainly do not condone. However, I do find it a bit absurd that people so easily find fault in things that Trump says but have no problem with things that Hillary is proven to have done. If you don't like Trump, that's fine, I don't either, but don't show your outrage about him while simultaneously supporting Hillary and ignoring what she's done. She just kills pays to have her trail of blood cleaned up. She is just as evil, just as nasty, and just as unqualified to be President. 

 

In answer to the earlier question about "locker room talk": I find it hard to believe that anyone would be naive enough to believe that people do not talk like this privately. Is it okay or even morally right? No, it is disgusting and wrong. But unfortunately it does happen. Like DM above, I have heard similar things said by both men and women.

Clinton ticked up dead even with Trump today in the LA Times Tracking poll. Actually, Clinton plus 4 tenths of a point.

Rasmussen tracking has Trump improving 1 point to Clinton +4

Reuters has Clinton +7, that poll has been bent for months but still bad for Trump

 

Hillary Clinton still has a clear advantage to win. Hopefully we'll get some state polling taken after the debate, that's what counts.