Supreme Court and Federal Judges are appointed by the President. Our local Judges are elected. I don't know how others do it.

For local judges, some states (NJ comes to mind) appoint their judges, while others (PA, for example) elect them.

 

I'm of the opinion that no judge should be elected. They should be appointed.

 

I hate electing Judges... I don't know anything about them and they ask me for my vote.

I WANT to be wrong about this. And maybe my vitrol about this should be pointed at the GOP more than Trump, but, we know the GOP is in the pocket of the upper class and corporations, and you can see that in the bills they pass. They cut taxes for the upper class and we're stuck with either the middle class paying for it, or even more debt, which they'll scream about until they're blue in the face.

 

 

Supreme Court and Federal Judges are appointed by the President. Our local Judges are elected. I don't know how others do it.

For local judges, some states (NJ comes to mind) appoint their judges, while others (PA, for example) elect them.

 

I'm of the opinion that no judge should be elected. They should be appointed.

 

I hate electing Judges... I don't know anything about them and they ask me for my vote.

 

See?? We can find common ground!

Wow, a lot of  you getting off-topic. I'm shocked.... 

 

I believe the PHRASE "make America great again" is to do with the shrinking middle class.

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

 

The super rich are getting richer. The poorer have Obamacare and $15/hr wages. The working poor like me and most of middle America feel they aren't heard, cannot get ahead at all, and are losing ground, no matter how hard we work - and we do work hard.

 

A country is only as healthy as its middle class and ours is fading fast. So making America "great", means if you work hard and do not want to be a syphon on the government dole, you should be able to hold a job, pay your taxes, and provide for your family. But alas, the middle class cannot do this.

And that is why our country is not as "great" as it used to be.

You have a very good point. But, GOP and Middle class are like oil and water. 

 

Fin, you will see how GOP will put in the anchors for middle class collapsing..and with their collective shouting, blame it on the next democratic president like they did with Obama. 

 

Personally, I'd like Trump to remain sane and succeed. A calm, sitting, relaxing and happy America is better than knee-jerking America. Personally, I'd like to see a more pacifist Foreign policy (good for your economy..given that your economy is atm entirely dependent on dollar being the major trading currency) and stop being science-denying idiots on climate change. 

 

"you guys" = Democrats, Liberals, Progressives... whatever name "you guys" are calling yourselves today. It was merely an identifier. It was not designed to put you on the defensive, deflect, or manipulate anything. "You guys" always have to play the victim, right? Are you wearing your safety pin today? I'm one of those people you're supposed to be afraid to talk to. We debate things here at the adults table, and we make pretty clear what our opinions are. I do enjoy it. The rest I'll just say... "I tried".

Holy shit, did you really just patronize SM like that?

 

This is the reason why I can't tolerate conservatives like you and your buddies. You truly like being like this and cannot (or maybe will not) even consider a different point of view, or even begin to consider a compromise.

 

Its one of the main reasons I will NEVER support the Republican party. I may not like some of the Democrats and their views either, but personal destruction isn't one of their core values.

 

And before you ask, no, no pin, no plans on ever wearing one, thankyouverymuch.

 

I plan on giving Trump the same support the Republicans gave Pres. Obama over the last 8 years - NONE

 

This is really between SM and I, but since you have your dander up, I'll give it a shot.

 

We debate here. I sometimes say things that hurt feelings, but that's debating. I apologize for that, and I have no problem admitting that I can come off as a jerk sometimes, but it doesn't make me wrong. When Conservatives debate Progressives, it's pretty much a debate between common sense vs. unicorns and rainbows. When Progressives can't win a debate they will default to getting emotional, taking offense, and name calling. Racist and Bigot are tied for the top spot right now, and I am quite used to it because I am a very outspoken and practicing political Conservative. I could have called her a "snowflake crybaby" but that's not what I do... so I implied it. I apologize for my past debates... and I apologize for all my future debates. Too bad because I'm a pretty good friend to have. I wonder where my good friend Icewolf is? I have not heard from him since the election... I was just as surprised as everyone else.

If I don't agree with your point of view, then you're wrong.

 

You paint with an awfully broad brush. Not all of us Democrats are throwing around Bigot, Racist, etc for individuals. Some of the policies that seem to be open to be implemented can be construed that way.

 

I said it before. I hope I'm wrong. However, I'm pretty sure that I won't be.

 

In 2008 plenty of people said Obama "wasn't their President." Well, Trump isn't mine. He's going to be the president of the country in which I live, but his values are not mine. His views, for the most part, are not mine. He was elected by a minority of the people who voted, but that's another debate for another day.

 

He will not make America great again. If anything, the next 4 years will make the W years look stellar by comparison.

 

Also, as I mentioned, I will give him the same amount of support the GOP gave Pres. Obama. Which was NONE.

Creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913.  

Creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913.  

That's when the USA stopped being great?

If I don't agree with your point of view, then you're wrong.

I can accept that. My problem with Progressives is they play fast and loose with other people's money on things that get them elected... like affordable healthcare and free college... but they take no responsibility when things go wrong. We told you guys Obamacare wouldn't work. We fought it to the bitter end. Not a single Republican supported it, or voted for it. Now you guys blame us for it's failure. You guys gave 5% of the population hope for something free... it's dragged our economy to the ground, made the rest of us pay for it, and now you want us to help it continue.

 

You paint with an awfully broad brush. Not all of us Democrats are throwing around Bigot, Racist, etc for individuals. Some of the policies that seem to be open to be implemented can be construed that way.

I appreciate that. I have opposed Barack Obama's policies from day one... can't count how many times I have been called a racist. I opposed his so called auto bailout... because it wasn't an auto bailout... he illegally interfered with the bankruptcy court and bailed out the UAW, his supporters. The man I do work for lost 4 dealerships because Obama took care of the Union, and left everyone else to die. Don't believe me? Seen any new Pontiac's lately? Yeah, so many lives turned upside down to protect his precious unions. I didn't oppose him because he's black... I opposed him because he's wrong.

 

I said it before. I hope I'm wrong. However, I'm pretty sure that I won't be.

 

In 2008 plenty of people said Obama "wasn't their President." Well, Trump isn't mine. He's going to be the president of the country in which I live, but his values are not mine. His views, for the most part, are not mine. He was elected by a minority of the people who voted, but that's another debate for another day.

 

He will not make America great again. If anything, the next 4 years will make the W years look stellar by comparison.

 

Also, as I mentioned, I will give him the same amount of support the GOP gave Pres. Obama. Which was NONE.

I fully expect the opposition party to fight just as hard as we did. You have my full support, my friend. Our girls are depending on us.

I'm not gonna nest quotes here, it requires effort.

 

Obamacare is a poorly written law. Its goals are good ones, however, the execution is terrible. The individual mandate is a joke, esp. when the insurance companies are using it to jack up rates. There are good parts: The prohibition of denying for existing conditions. The requirement that birth control be covered. The coverage of college aged students who otherwise live at home when not at school. (I think 26 is too long, but thats just me.) That meeting the president held with both sides was a joke. The GOP said no, and Obama didn't encourage debate. The art of the compromise is so long gone in DC its not funny. I'm in favor of FIXING Obamacare, not scrapping it entirely. I believe it can be saved.

 

Regarding the auto bailout - the same can be said about the banks. That they were "too big to fail." Well you know what, maybe one or 2 of them should have failed. Maybe we'd have better financial policy. I don't completely buy your assessment of the bailout, however, I can agree that it caused more pain that it perhaps should have. And, FYI, Pontiac's were terrible cars.

 

Your girl, my son, my girl...yep. We can't hand them a leaky bag of shit.

 

 

 

 

"you guys" = Democrats, Liberals, Progressives... whatever name "you guys" are calling yourselves today. It was merely an identifier. It was not designed to put you on the defensive, deflect, or manipulate anything. "You guys" always have to play the victim, right? Are you wearing your safety pin today? I'm one of those people you're supposed to be afraid to talk to. We debate things here at the adults table, and we make pretty clear what our opinions are. I do enjoy it. The rest I'll just say... "I tried".

 

Holy shit, did you really just patronize SM like that?

This is the reason why I can't tolerate conservatives like you and your buddies. You truly like being like this and cannot (or maybe will not) even consider a different point of view, or even begin to consider a compromise.

Its one of the main reasons I will NEVER support the Republican party. I may not like some of the Democrats and their views either, but personal destruction isn't one of their core values.

And before you ask, no, no pin, no plans on ever wearing one, thankyouverymuch.

I plan on giving Trump the same support the Republicans gave Pres. Obama over the last 8 years - NONE

 

 

This is really between SM and I, but since you have your dander up, I'll give it a shot.

 

We debate here. I sometimes say things that hurt feelings, but that's debating. I apologize for that, and I have no problem admitting that I can come off as a jerk sometimes, but it doesn't make me wrong. When Conservatives debate Progressives, it's pretty much a debate between common sense vs. unicorns and rainbows. When Progressives can't win a debate they will default to getting emotional, taking offense, and name calling. Racist and Bigot are tied for the top spot right now, and I am quite used to it because I am a very outspoken and practicing political Conservative. I could have called her a "snowflake crybaby" but that's not what I do... so I implied it. I apologize for my past debates... and I apologize for all my future debates. Too bad because I'm a pretty good friend to have. I wonder where my good friend Icewolf is? I have not heard from him since the election... I was just as surprised as everyone else.

You made it public and you made your remarks in a thread that I started. I invited you to talk privately and you refused. Show some personal accountability.

 

You whine about progressives name calling, but you are the person doing all the name calling. I can point to numerous instances of you insulting and name calling and personally attacking people. That is not debate, that is bullying. You have just announced that you are incapable of having a conversation with someone who disagrees with you without bullying and you "apologize," but will continue to be abusive. It is a pity that you cannot honestly reflect upon yourself and the people around here and behave appropriately, particularly because anything valuable you might add to a debate is lost in your ugly rhetoric. Please think about what I am saying - for your own sake.

 

 

the same can be said about the banks. That they were "too big to fail." Well you know what, maybe one or 2 of them should have failed.

Oh man... common ground once again... I don't know what to do... all those banks should have fried with everyone else. Single worst decision I have ever lived to see. I think I really like you... don't tell anyone.

 

 

You made it public and you made your remarks in a thread that I started. I invited you to talk privately and you refused. Show some personal accountability. You whine about progressives name calling, but you are the person doing all the name calling. I can point to numerous instances of you insulting and name calling and personally attacking people. That is not debate, that is bullying. You have just announced that you are incapable of having a conversation with someone who disagrees with you without bullying and you "apologize," but will continue to be abusive. It is a pity that you cannot honestly reflect upon yourself and the people around here and behave appropriately, particularly because anything valuable you might add to a debate is lost in your ugly rhetoric. Please think about what I am saying - for your own sake.

Okay dear, since I'm getting pushed into the corner... I'll say it.

 

I have nothing to hide. Sunlight is the best antiseptic. Hillary's private server is closed, and in the hands of the FBI. I play the game, and post on these forums... but I do not live alone. My wife reads these pages, and the invitation to go private kinda gave me the creeps. That's just me... not you, so don't get all defensive, offended, and call me names.

 

I know in the Progressives world that when Conservatives defend themselves it's considered bullying. I promise to always deliver the same degree of respect I receive. I do hope to not have to keep adding more to this conversation. I do appreciate your concern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUkv_jPgTeg

 

^^ black and white is always a good feeding ground for extremism.

 

 

 

 

Supreme Court and Federal Judges are appointed by the President. Our local Judges are elected. I don't know how others do it.

For local judges, some states (NJ comes to mind) appoint their judges, while others (PA, for example) elect them.

I'm of the opinion that no judge should be elected. They should be appointed.

 

I hate electing Judges... I don't know anything about them and they ask me for my vote.

 

 

How about sheriff's?

 

Creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913.  

That's when the USA stopped being great?

 

 

Yes.  

The creation of the Third Central Bank of the USA and its continued existence.

 

In my opinion Woodrow Wilson, 2 days before Christmas in 1913, of course opinions will vary, why don't you have a read into it if it is not something that you are familiar with?

Oh Betsy! How I wish I was even remotely as articulate as Jon Stewart! Thank you for posting that.

 

 

 

 

Creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913.  

 

That's when the USA stopped being great?

 

 

 

Yes.  

The creation of the Third Central Bank of the USA and its continued existence.

 

In my opinion Woodrow Wilson, 2 days before Christmas in 1913, of course opinions will vary, why don't you have a read into it if it is not something that you are familiar with?

I will look into it, thanks.

Stewart is a briliant guy, good find.

 

 

Donald Trump has not even begun to serve yet, and you say it's a foregone conclusion that he's a lying, self-serving, puppet for the wealthy. I'm looking at the upcoming Trump era with optimistic skepticism. It appears that he will be taking the same path as Ronald Reagan did when he had to fix the disastrous Carter economy... this should do the trick. The rest of his campaign promises we just have to wait and see. If you're right... I will come here and congratulate you on your brilliant clairvoyance and we will fix it. If you're wrong... will you come here and tell us you were wrong?

 

Had someone give me this website, said it was a pretty good, and actually fair, breakdown of Trump's positions on things.  I haven't had a chance to do more than glance through it, so I don't know if the facts that are referenced are actually true or not (especially the voting numbers that are referenced a couple of times).

 

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/

My wife reads these pages, and the invitation to go private kinda gave me the creeps. That's just me... not you, so don't get all defensive, offended, and call me names.

Thank you for the explanation, I respect you for it.

So whats the deal about Trump's son-in-law throwing Chris Christie & co out? Not really surprising that he got thrown out, he usually only looked "alive" near Trump and nothing more .

So whats the deal about Trump's son-in-law throwing Chris Christie & co out? Not really surprising that he got thrown out, he usually only looked "alive" near Trump and nothing more .

Christie prosecuted the son-in-law's dad for something.  I imagine there's no love lost between them.

Jeff Sessions, Michael Flynn and Mike Pompeo? Interesting. From what I read, Flynn looks like he's a no-nonsense guy and he's somewhat competent

The second we start water boarding we will be a lot less great.

 

So whats the deal about Trump's son-in-law throwing Chris Christie & co out? Not really surprising that he got thrown out, he usually only looked "alive" near Trump and nothing more .

Christie prosecuted the son-in-law's dad for something.  I imagine there's no love lost between them.

 

This is true. I think it was illegal campaign contributions. I think he was sentenced to two years in the big house, but I don't know how much of it he actually served. A couple of Christie's staff was recently convicted for Bridgegate.. so it's probably smart to cut some distance from him... but Kelly Ayotte just narrowly lost her Senate seat in New Hampshire, and didn't fight for a recount. I would bet money that she will end up somewhere in the Trump Administration... but with Chris on the loose, watch out for mysterious bridge closures around Concord. I'm being sarcastic of course.

Heared the guilty father (thus making him Trump's brother-in-law, does that work that way? Just sounds weird ) then got the prosecuters best witness (a friend/business partner) into marital problem when entrapping him with a hooker.

The second we start water boarding we will be a lot less great.

So, is that now? I'm pretty sure despite everything the CIA still does it at blacksites