The MSG Secure Hospital for the Criminally Insane (MSGSHCI)

"We don't call them inmates, we call them patients."

 

Night was falling on the hospital.

"Alright, into your room, come on..." a Nurse chivvied one of the patients into his cell, who had his head down. He slowly obeyed, but the guard in the corner of the room watched carefully. The Nurse began to shut the door, when suddenly a scream came up from a nearby cell. The guard turned. The nurse shut the door quickly, and turned to leave.

The patient's eyes, previously dull and submissive, became alert. He looked up quickly, and reached through the small window in his cell door and quickly plucked a key from the Nurse's back pocket. He withdrew his arm quickly before she turned around to check the cell had locked itself. A quick tug at the door, and she was satisfied enough, hurrying off to deal with the other patients.

 

The sound of footsteps slowly echoed through the corridors of the institution, made by the few people who were left on patrol. The inhabitants of this miserable place were now mostly quiet in their cells. Those who refused to be quiet had been sedated, and a slow calm was descending upon the place. Water dripped slowly from a leaky water pipe above one of the corridors. It was in this corridor where that one patient stood up from his bunk, and quietly unlocked the door. Something was about to happen.

Edited August 16, 200917 yr by molestargazer

i have only been active in one game the other i simply got replaced early

 

i wanted to try to play this and it seems time is not something i have to much off

 

narsis you have my play style since the time i have is lacking i would post more but work seems to be piling up and i have to do that first

 

as more my opinions i have already stated them as above and nothing has changed since then plus as you say i am fencing sitting since i can't make my mind up, i can't read people for luck of god.

 

i wish i could make better sense of this all but not enough to push for pressure.

 

since i do wish for the town i wish to be replaced

 

i don't have time and i believe all they are going to do is waste a vote

and please for those who think i am running away just b/c i can't handle the pressure this is not the case

 

it just took me until this moment to finally realize that i am playing the way i want

@Electric Mango

I encourage you to get pressure out their but, I wonder where your vote will go now. I find it a little uneasy that you flip over to Nerau just after Narsis did. Especially without any more justification than you gave.

 

@Nerau

You confuse me, sir. I am utterly lost in a few lines in those posts.

@ Aquinas: Votes are good for applying pressure. Look what it did to Nerau. I'm not saying that I want Nerau to quit the game but once he got two votes on him it forced him to make a decision. Look at the results it had. I didn't want him to quit but you can't deny that the pressure it created didn't have an outcome on his decison.

 

Do I think that Nerau is more guilty than KevinH right now? No. I changed my vote because I did not think it was in the towns best interest to have only two people up for debate. With time running out, Nerau was the only person at the time with another vote. I changed my vote to him to help even the score and help make it a decision between KevinH, Falzis, and Nerau.

I am much more disappointed by KevinH. His post builds no specific evidence to bolster his defense or build a case against Falzis.

I'm sorry to disappoint you. I'll try to do better.

 

KevinH didn't build the debate, it was all the rest of us

Thank you for that observation.

 

All of us besides KevinH agree that the no lynch of D1 was a serious mistake. Lets not let that happen again.

If everyone else truly feels that way, it's odd that the one vote needed to lynch Sojourner didn't come on day 1 and that nobody has voted for him on day 2. But I agree that we need to lynch today.

 

KevinH, I have voted for you because of your inability to defend your position. Falzis presents seriously concerning sentiments for the time being, however he has laid out his position in a clear straightforward manor.

It was anything but clear and straightforward, but I'll address the 4 points.

 

1. I did not "muddle and distract" the town. I stated early that I was voting for no-lynch. In the end, 3/4 of the players agreed with me. I am glad that we have an extra townie today; the scum wish we would have lynched a townie.

 

2. I did not "disingenuously edit out a sentence". I quoted a statement that supported my position that not everybody agrees that it is best to lynch on the first day.

 

3. I did not "role fish". And even if I did, so what?

 

4. I did vote for Falzis and gave my reasons. That's what we are supposed to do. The post regarding Sojourner was obviously not logically sound because of the WIFOM effect. Adding additional suspicions is not "inconsistent" despite what Falzis may say.

 

Now having defended myself point by point, I'll address why I did not "build a case" against Falzis. It's simply that I know he could easily be a townie attacking me with the best of intentions. I believe he is as good a lynch candidate as any. However, the game will certainly slow down without his posts and if the group wants to make the case for lynching an inactive rather than Falzis, I won't be too disappointed.

God this sucks! I had this big, nicely worded post done and I lost it. I don't have the will power to do it all again so I'll give you the short version.

 

We need to find scum

 

Scum are most likely trying not to post anything that will draw fire

 

People who post value and challenge people are putting themselves at risk.

 

We have a lot of people not challenging others or voting

 

We have a short amount of time left, especially if you figure low activity on weekends. We only have until the 29th.

 

The only debate going on right now is Kevin/Falzis who ironically are 2 people who have at least added some good value and contributed.

 

I'm very suspicious of those that have not really made a strong opinion, challenged someone, or voted.

 

We need to expand our scope to debate more than just Kevin/Falzis.

 

My vote will stay with Kevin until there is stronger evidence against someone else.

 

Yes I agree with you. I have a feeling that neither one of them are scum and we are actually gonna murder our active ones.

Well I still think Falzis is scum/mafia ...

 

I just think that, with all us newbies in the game, he's abusing the Mafia wiki implied strategies that supposedly (statistically more so than not) pro town.

 

Plus the arguments aren't that convincing or convincing at all for that matter.

 

As for as I can see he's just doing this: I'm a townie, I know I'm a townie, therefore everything I say or do is townie and if you don't like it or agree with it your scum. But he never fails to point out that as a problem if someone else uses the same strategy ... like Kevin for example ...

 

Again I understand he posts a lot, but ... I never said that was why I suspected him (I only said that that helps to support my opinion if we agree that he uses so many posts to confuse and mislead us townies)!

 

I'll write more and re-read more this weekend when I've more time

How many newbies are actually in this game? Because as far as I can tell, only sojo, you and Kaziocore are the newbie ones. I'm not counting party01 since he's not active. So that leaves a lot of veterans for me to convince. And it's not as if you don't have your own reasoning to read the mafiascum wiki and believe or disbelieve what is there.

 

I'm really sure by now that one of the three people voting for me is scum.

 

I choose you!

 

Unvote

Vote: Theophilos

I meant that it's much easier to abuse certain strategies that are supposed to be pro town with 4 new players, especially if you can convince them all and than just add 3-4 mafia votes and get a vote. Not there yet, but ...

 

And it's not as if you don't have your own reasoning to read the mafiascum wiki and believe or disbelieve what is there.

 

I never said I don't have my opinion or not in regard to what mafia wiki says.

That's my point. That's why your point is either misleading to portray me as a manipulator or a big WIFOM. I haven't even convinced any "newbie" to my side. sojo hasn't voted for Kevin, you voted for me, and Kaziocore is... i dunno what's up with him.

 

So your point is not grounded.

That's my point. That's why your point is either misleading to portray me as a manipulator or a big WIFOM. I haven't even convinced any "newbie" to my side. sojo hasn't voted for Kevin, you voted for me, and Kaziocore is... i dunno what's up with him.

 

So your point is not grounded.

 

Perhaps it is, maybe you confused too many and it didn't work out according to your plans oh, and

That wasn't my plan to begin with. My plan was to convince everyone, anyone, not just the newbies, that Kevin's strategy has been called flawed by an independent source (not playing this game) for people to decide on their own the merits of Kevin's ideas.

 

I think it's you who's underestimating and condescending to "newbies" by trying to say they are easily swayed or manipulable.

 

And again, you're the only one confused.

VOTE COUNT

Falzis (3): Martino, Theophilos, KevinH

KevinH (2): Sir Jesus, Aquinas

Nerau (2): Narsis, Electric Mango

Theophilos (1): Falzis

 

Not Voting (4): sojourner, Nerau, partyin01, Kaziocore

 

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

 

- Sir Jesus is V/LA

- partyin01 is being replaced.

- Narsis and Nerau have requested replacement. Which sucks. I'll get onto it tonight. I have replacements lined up.

abusing the Mafia wiki implied strategies that supposedly (statistically more so than not) pro town.

 

Plus the arguments aren't that convincing or convincing at all for that matter.

Thank you for being a voice of reason.

 

I was feeling lonely in the wilderness (I guess that should be lonely in my padded cell).

You should never feel alone Kev. Theo was right with you since the start of D2.

hey now i didn't say i wanted to be replaced quite yet!

 

for those that don't know: i'll be gone from June 29th to July 12th.

 

also, since nerau is being replaced...:

 

Unvote

 

Vote: KevinH

 

first, although i didn't vote yesterday, i don't agree with a no lynch strategy. but i do believe that a no lynch is better then a random lynch, which is more or less what we would have had with soj. the same i would assume applies to other non-voters on D1.

 

second, kevin is right that it wans't him alone muddling discussion. it takes two to tango.

 

third, when you quoted said sentence, you left out the rest. it's fairly obvious you meant to leave it out. whether you were trying to mislead, i don't know.

 

fourth, role fishing is generally bad. you risk exposing powerroles, and thus making them targets by the mafia. that and powerroles alone rarely save the game for the town so it's not worth attempting to find them out for the sole purpose of trying not to lynch them.

Edited June 24, 200917 yr by molestargazer
My bad. -M

I'll also be gone from Jul 1-11. And I don't want to be replaced!!

Bloody hell. OK.

Depending on how things go, I might just put the game into an extended Night phase for a little while whilst people are going away.

 

We'll see.

OOC Whatever you say Mole. I trust you'll run the game the best way you can providing the circumstances. If at all possible though, I'd like to keep it going if we can.

 

IC So I'm a little let down due to the lack of activity. It seems like half of the people are getting a free pass due to lack of activity and two of the people who are most active are up for a lynch. If we had our game threads from the old forum you can go back and see that I have a record going against those who play their cards close to the vest. I hope that activity improves after we get the replacements.

 

I'm gonna go back and read everything one more time to see if there's anything else I can find. More comments to come.

After reading the Wiki on no lynch I am going to use that knowledge and my gut to vote...

vote-Falzis

After reading the Wiki on no lynch I am going to use that knowledge and my gut to vote...

vote-Falzis

 

????

 

Tell us what about it that made you vote that way. You're being too vague which makes me suspicious. If you were scum it could be seen as dog piling.

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

 

So if by the end of this week, one guy got 6 votes will he still not be lynched?

 

No. 4 will be needed at deadline.

Edited June 25, 200917 yr by molestargazer

After reading the Wiki on no lynch I am going to use that knowledge and my gut to vote...

vote-Falzis

 

What knowledge did you get and why did your gut tell you to vote for me? I'm starting to think we really should have lynched you on D1. 3 Votes on you and not even just 1 more for a half-majority lynch? Even just one Mafia could have killed you if you were townie.

 

I am inclined to believe that the 3 who voted for you are all townies, I'm more or less sure of that (junk - proven townie, plus EM and I).

 

OH MY GOD I AM HAVING A EUREKA MOMENT!!!

 

sojourner is really scum. there's no other way to it. now, some people here may not believe it because I will be saying I am townie, and you have no way of proving that until I die.

 

but hear me out. I am townie!! junk was proven to be townie (cop). EM I really am inclined to believe is a townie. so if you follow these assumptions, there were 3 townie votes on sojo.

 

now, there are at least 2 (a very conservative number, other people estimate 3-4 but let's assume 2 for the sake of my argument) scum in this game. even just one of the two could have voted for sojo for a half-majority lynch (4 votes instead of 7).

 

if sojo was townie, and we assume Kevin's correct that mafia want to lynch on D1 to lessen townies, then sojo should have been dead on D1!! this could only mean that sojo wasn't a townie and his fellow scum didn't vote for him.

 

my original hunch WAS correct!! (i posted this theory just right after D1 i think but narsis shot it down).

 

now, i know what you're thinking. this is assuming that I and EM are townie. i know i can't definitively prove to you my townieness (or EM's for that matter) but you can judge on your own based on our posts. i hope you trust and believe in me when i say i think i am on the scum's tracks!!

 

but let's assume for the sake of argumentation that EM and I, or one of us, are scum. if scum voted for sojo, then that means he is townie. if sojo is townie, and scum voted for a townie on D1 and stuck to it until the end of D1, this means that the scum was/were willing to lay their cards out on D1 and intended to go for a D1 lynch.

 

but let's look at the first one. are scum really willing to lay their cards out early on D1? we've discussed this extensively and i think we all know that scum generally try to blend with the town and lie low, so the first conclusion is counter intuitive, which means that the premise - that EM and I, or one of us, are scum - is false!

 

but wait, there's more convincing logic! let's look at the second one. if the scum intended to go for a D1 lynch, this could only mean two things.

 

one, that if EM and I are both scum, that there are only 2 scum in this game - which is highly improbable according to the estimations of the veterans in this game (ie. Narsis and Kevin's estimate of 3-4 scum) - thus still proving that EM and I couldn't be scum!

 

two, that if one of us, EM or I, is scum, that the other scum(s) didn't vote for sojo - which is inconsistent with the manifested intention to lynch on D1 - thus proving all the more that EM or I couldn't be scum!

 

SO THE CONCLUSION IS, sojo couldn't be a townie if even just one of EM or I were scum since sojo wasn't lynched on D1.

 

oh my god oh my god.

 

EUREKA!!

 

Unvote

Vote: sojourner

EBWOP: but the above one is still correct, i'm just not sure on the grammatical difference in meaning on the positioning of the words even and if (I'm thinking in Tagalog and just translating in English lol we have different subject-verb and sentence agreements)

 

SO THE CONCLUSION IS,

 

sojo couldn't be a townie even if just one of EM or I were scum since sojo wasn't lynched on D1.

VOTE COUNT

Falzis (4): Martino, Theophilos, KevinH, sojourner

KevinH (3): Sir Jesus, Aquinas, Narsis

Nerau (1): Electric Mango

sojourner (1): Falzis

 

Not Voting (3): Nerau, partyin01, Kaziocore

 

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

4 needed to lynch at deadline.

 

- Sir Jesus is V/LA

- partyin01 and Nerau are being replaced.

- Narsis will be replaced from June 29th.

- Falzis will be V/LA from July 1st - July 11th

- Deadline is MONDAY.

 

My Windows 7 installation is lacking office software that can read my Excel file containing the list of replacements.

I'm downloading OpenOffice now, I'll send out PMs to replacements today or tomorrow.

Sorry for the delay.

Edited June 25, 200917 yr by molestargazer