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We had a hard enough time filling this many players, so my expectation of replacement is low.
d34th has as much a chance as anybody to be scum.
If he's town, the scum won't kill him because he'll never vote for their lynch.
We need to lynch now and hope to get lucky.

Do I need to quote every game you've said literally the exact opposite? Not that I am against one changing their viewpoint, but this seems very odd coming from you.
If D34th is truely inactive for good, he probably should of never been placed in game. I'm on phone, when does the day end? Much rather make my choice to kill the inactive or not dependent on the chances TW can find a replacement. That being said, much rather go after someone who comes off scummish rather then an innactive that can be replaced.
At this point Kevin has grabbed my attention for his complete 180. That being said, be ballsy to change his usual playing if he is a scum.
My thoughts exactly on Kev.

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I think everybody is surprised with Kevin at this point. 


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Just so you know guys, I'll be around for the next two or three days, but unexpectedly I'm going to have limited access to the internet for about five days after that. I'll try to be online as much as possible, but I won't be as active as I usually am. I'll try not to let down this game though.


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Sorry guys, Was my birthday this weekend so been drinking and out with friends since Friday night. 



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VOTE: D34TH

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D34THBR1NG3R (5): Imran Ehsan, Yehom, KevinH, Sister Midnight, Finster Baby

KevinH (1): SeaBeeGipson

Canik (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

Imran Ehsan (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Robert2424 (0):
SeaBeeGipson (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (2): Wolfpacks, Kitkat16

 

Not Voting: Canik, Chaplain of Death, D34THBR1NG3R, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424


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"Complete 180"?

 

I always advocate for the lynching of inactives in the absence of any other information.  We just don't usually have an inactive from the very beginning of a game.



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14 Sister Midnight
12 KevinH
11 Finster Baby
11 Robert2424
 7 Yehom
 4 Kitkat16
 4 SeaBeeGipson
 4 Canik
 3 Chaplain of death
 3 Imran Ehsan
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yeah sorry for my inactivity, i have recently moved to a new house and have had problems with the internet here, sorted now so will be active from now on.


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at his point D34thbr1ng3r will be lynched regardless if I place my vote on him or not. as 4 is the majority and we have 5. I don't like day 1 lycnhes and we've only got minamal info from this day, but won't be a total loss. 

 

its a bit late to spur some activity, and activity hasn't been what I call, good for this many players. 

 

So I'm just not going to vote right now. 


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I'm sticking with No Lynch. Agreed with Robert. And as I said, I am going to be less active on the forums than usual as of a couple of days from now.


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"Complete 180"?

 

I always advocate for the lynching of inactives in the absence of any other information.  We just don't usually have an inactive from the very beginning of a game.

 

 

You do not advocate for lynching inactives on Day 1.  And you're completely wrong that we haven't had inactives on Day1, I can recall many games that involved with inactive people on day 1, most commonly Rafay, for which you never voted for. 

 

But sense you want to dispute it, I'll simply pull some of your replies from past games to prove my point.  You merely cause me to spend the time to go through Day 1 of past games.  

 

 

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Ali bin Turban, on 24 Apr 2016 - 01:24, said:snapback.png

Yo cant manipulate targeting here - there's a list made by TW.

But maybe that list happens to favor the scum.

Vote: No Lynch

 
 

It's Day 1 and nobody know's nothin' (except the scum).

 

Bad jokes are good.  

 

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I am not a Miller.

Vote: No Lynch

 

Nobody knows nothin'.

I want to get a feel for activity levels so I can use that on future days when deciding to lynch.

 

The game has indeed started and we have a deadline in 3 days.

 

I'm totally OK with nobody getting enough votes for a lynch.

 

I believe the Sorting Hat is implying bad things regarding

2 Chaplain of Death
2 Rafay
1 Mazuurek
1 iSocialism

 

Welcome to Day 2, Samus!

 

Vote: Mazuurek

 

His post count is 1 for the whole game.

 

Townie points to Sister Midnight for the good humor

 

 

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It's Day 1.  Nobody knows nothin'.

 

 

Vote: No lynch

 

 

 

Admitting you do this

 

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It's Day 1. Nobody knows nothin'.

I said that and turned out scum  ;)

 

 

I say that every game and I'm only scum 25% of the time.

 

There comes a time when the town needs to lynch and hope for the best.  This ain't that time.

 

If it's a scum on the block, his buddies won't vote for him and it would take most of the townies to all agree and make a lynch.

 

If it's a townie on the block, a few scum might join in with the other townies in the lynch but everyone will claim that they were acting in the town's interest and we will be down one townie without any strong evidence one way or the other about who is a scum.

 

I understand the idea about keeping the number of players odd, but early in the game it is overwhelmed by the massive probability that a townie gets lynched with not much information derived from the lynch.

 

Rafay has made exactly 1 post all game.

 

Given that everyone has equal probability to be scum at this point, he's my first choice to lynch (after today).

 

Rafay inactive, but you don't vote him, you even say, "after today" which is Day 1

 

 

 

Prisoner of Azkaban:

 

 

It's sort of theoretical, but if you count it out the town is better off with an even number of players.

 

See http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after

 

However, particularly in a large game, the theory goes out the window when you don't get one kill every night.

 

The right reason to vote for no lynch is that nobody knows nothin'.  (everybody would be disappointed if I didn't say that)

 

 

 

It was Day 1 and nobody knew nothin'.  There was just less time to know nothin'.

 

Even though I was an early voter for no lynch and was surprised when it got a majority, I don't find the later votes scummy.

 

That said, it would be very easy for scum to join the wagon, especially once it became clear that a lynch was not going to happen.

 

Regarding the FoS on Rhizoctonia, it's half serious.  In my opinion ending Day 1 early with a no lynch is not worthy of the many words he wrote about it.  He might truly feel strongly about it, but it could also be much ado about nothing.

 

 

This is just some examples of day 1 comments from you that go completely against what you're saying.  There are more, but I don't care to spend all day going through pages and pages of replies to copy each one.  But you say and do the same thing every game, you never lynch and you always advocate for not lynching, as well as in games you have actually came out D2 and started giving out "town" points to people who voted NL Day 1, because that's what a town would do.  You condemn people and put suspicion on anyone who tries to lynch D1, and in fact when there is an inactive.  There has been many games people are all but inactive, Rafay was known for this every game he played in yet you never voted him.  As I copied and pasted, you even stated Rafay would be a good first lynch the next day, meaning Day 1 not 2, though he was all but inactive.  There were many times you could of particpated in the vote of an inactive player on D1 but you refused to, now suddenly this game you do.  

 

It would be one thing if you came back to me with telling me you've changed your viewpoint or playing style and now you're for it.  But instead of that, you tried to refute my claim that you've done a complete 180 on how you play D1 every game which is easily proven is a complete lie, along with lying there hasn't been an inactive from the start.  You have done a complete 180, and you've never pushed a lynch D1, participated in 1 since I played with you, and you in fact say anyone voting someone D1 "when no one knows anything," is supicious because only the town know.  

 

I can surely sift through more to find even more examples, but I think I proved my point. 

 

At this point, a theory is already starting to take shape.   I sit here and wonder why suddenly you would go against what you always do, you know, when only scum know anything.  I'm starting to think maybe you and D34th are both scum.  You know he's inactive and not going to participate, so you're looking to lynch a unhelpful scum partner of yours off and gain town points off the back instead of waiting another day.  

 

Either way, you come off completely scummy with your lying about how you always play D1.  The fact is you always vote NL each game no matter if there is an inactive or not, I've fought you over this in games, and you always try to push suspicion on people who look to push a lynch D1 no matter an inactive or not.  You've gone completely against what you always done, and for that

 

Vote:  Kevin


As I copied and pasted, you even stated Rafay would be a good first lynch the next day, meaning Day 1 not 2, though he was all but inactive.

 

I meant to say meaning Day 2, not 1.  You were saying he was a good lynch for day 2, but his inactiveness wasn't enough for you to vote D1


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D34THBR1NG3R (5): Imran Ehsan, Yehom, KevinH, Sister Midnight, Finster Baby

KevinH (2): SeaBeeGipson, Rhizoctonia

Canik (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

Imran Ehsan (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Robert2424 (0):
SeaBeeGipson (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):


No Lynch (2): Wolfpacks, Kitkat16


Not Voting: Canik, Chaplain of Death, D34THBR1NG3R, Robert2424

 

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I don't think we've had a game where somebody had zero posts on Day 1 (and also inactive for weeks in the IRON forum and CN).

 

What would a townie do in the best interests of the town?  There's a 25% chance that D34th is scum and we'll be pondering that 25% chance in future days unless a cop investigates, but the investigation would be better served elsewhere.

 

I guarantee that D34th will not be voting to lynch a scum during this game.  FoS to anyone that wants to keep him alive.



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D34THBR1NG3R please post.

I don't think we've had a game where somebody had zero posts on Day 1 (and also inactive for weeks in the IRON forum and CN).
 
What would a townie do in the best interests of the town?  There's a 25% chance that D34th is scum and we'll be pondering that 25% chance in future days unless a cop investigates, but the investigation would be better served elsewhere.
 
I guarantee that D34th will not be voting to lynch a scum during this game.  FoS to anyone that wants to keep him alive.


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If he doesn't make a post, then he can't make a vote.

 

*The guarantee only applies if he doesn't make a post.



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If he doesn't make a post, then he can't make a vote.

 

*The guarantee only applies if he doesn't make a post.

Rafay was all but inactive for a million games, even when we chose we'd start to vote him off D1 you wouldn't.  1 post during D1 and no vote or talking, or 0 posts and not talking or voting is the exact same.  


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Rhizo - We did decide last game that inactives were intolerable - especially those who played the way Rafay did.

However, D34TH was usually active, so if he's not here something's up. That said, we can't have an inactive not helping the town, IMO.

Zero posts = bad, esp on Day 1 where we muss about having fun throwing OMGUS accusations.
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Now Kevin is pushed into the spotlight. Going to reread Rhizo last post again. But Rhizo is making a interesting move late Day 1. 


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