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[Rhizoctonia]

Saw that one coming. Let's go town!

[Chaplain of death]

Well we now know that the kill that was blocked was most likely from SBG being role blocked rather than Rhizos protection of me (scum would use ninja unless it didn't work). Therefore one of the most obvious targets for lynch today would be me. i obviously have no information to disuade anyone from voting for me.

however given that Rhizo is confirmed now.....

Good! I want to know your opinion about my curious findings last night, Kevin.


I'm Arthur Weasley, an Order of the Phoenix Voyeur

Last night I'm keeping tabs on Rhizo and I did not see anything.

Rhizo claimed that he protected KC yesterday, yet KC was still killed. Mafia's 1 shot strongman is dead, if anything can stop Rhizo's power, I must've seen it

One probable scenario is that Rhizo lied, he isn't the doctor. And by extension, Kevin also lied about the nurse role.

I've thought this through and there are some believable points and doubts on this senario. The pros:
- As far as we can see, towns have so much powerful PRs: JoAT, Cop, and RB, compared to scums' confirmed ones: Framer and 1-Shot Strongarm. Put doctor and nurse and IMO town's too powerful.
- Everything about Rhizo's behaviour since yesterday makes sense. He and Kitkat are the most suspicious targets beside iSoc. Therefore the best move for him is to discredit iSoc as much as he can, which he did early D3. The next move would probably be to distance himself from Kitkat because the scums know that both iSoc and LS are townies, so one of them can frame the other the next day (Just like Rhizo did to Kitkat).
- I haven't found any other compelling scenario that would lead to my result showing nothing AND how Rhizo failed to protect KC. Strongarm is no more. Even if scum have roleblocks, they can't roleblock both me and Rhizo. If they blocked Rhizo then I'd know it. If they blocked me then Rhizo'd have saved KC. FB roleblocked Kevin so that possibility is also out.

The cons:
- Claiming doctor with a flavor name is pretty risky, Nymphadora is one of the highlights in the fifth book, I think?
- Some role modifier I'm not familiar with might be tampering with our results. Tell me if you think up something.


For those who doubt me, I think I've showed my townieness by doing the best moves for the last 3 days: helping the scum MK wagon rolling, trying to avoid the town vig kill (although failed), and personally starting the kill on scum Kitkat.

The simplest scenario would be that both Rhizo and Kevins are scum and the game is solved. If you want to complicate it you could kill me first to ascertain my role. The scum-town ratio is probably 2-8 or 3-7; we can afford some casualties.

[Yehom]

So Lyner, what happened?

[LordSunday]

From the mafiawiki:

 

Paranoid Doctor: This doctor not only protects his patient but he also roleblocks them. See also: Jailkeeper.

 

If this is the case, then in order for KC to have been killed there needed to be a strongarm in play (unless I'm mistaken). There would be no other possible way for Rhizo's protection to fail. Rhizo's death does nothing to confirm/deny Lyner. We should not be jumping to a hasty decision.

[LordSunday]

Vote Count

 

SeaBeeGipson (5): FS108, Rhizoctonia, LordSunday, Yehom, KevinH

KevinH (1): Lyner

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

FS108 (0):

LordSunday (0):

Lyner (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Chaplain of Death, Finster Baby, SeaBeeGipson, Wolfpacks

 

With 10 alive it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, June 28th.

 

My FoS today is on CoD, Lyner, and WP. The chances are we only have 1 scum, maybe 2 left. Though I would very much like to be right again today, we could technically afford the mislynch.

As for the other two, I'll list why I haven't FoS'ed them:

 

SBG - We killed him... He was scum

FB - Has made known he isn't here OOC. Chances are if he was the last scum he might've missed the night action deadline

 

 

As for WP - Was investigated town by KC... However this does not assure he is town. He may have a scum power that protects him from being investigated as guilty.

 

Given my last post regarding how KC must have died, I'm not sure the likelihood that WP would have a strongarm as well as almost a cop immunity, but with how stacked town is seeming I guess it wouldn't be all too surprising. We have a lot of time though, let's use this to our advantage.

 

I do want to hear from Lyner and WP. We've already seen CoD try to push the spotlight to Lyner... Wonder why?

[Chaplain of death]

Probably because what Lyner said cannot be true at the same time as Rhizo's claim, per Lyner himself. Rhizo is confirmed town now.

 

Good catch, I didn't notice the paranoid modifier before. 

 

I already took ownership and pointed out that the one thing that we thought indicated that I was town most likely means nothing now. I fully understand where I am in terms of suspicion in everyones minds but as a VT I can do literally nothing to prove otherwise. That said I was at least going to put my thoughts out there and point out the obvious before I lie down and die and give the scum a free kill.

[Lyner]

Well I know my power is sane since I received a result on night one, so there are some possibilites now:

1. Scum did 1-shot strongarm on KC, which means they got vig scum. Low chance since scum already have an actual strongman

2. Two people roleblocked both me and Rhizo, and they still have another slot to do the night killing. Even lower chance unless a town or a third party(SK?) participated

3. SK exists and both scum and SK targeted KC, therefore Rhizo's doc protection weren't enough as it only stops one kill IIRC. Any character in the story that fits the SK role?

 

We totally missed the SK possibility yesterday by the way 

 

 

 

As for today's target, I'm still gunning for Kevin. A nurse for the paranoid doctor is bit awkward IMO

[LordSunday]

As for today's target, I'm still gunning for Kevin. A nurse for the paranoid doctor is bit awkward IMO

 

This is true... At the same time, your claimed results from N1 have yet to be proven, and given the roles that have been killed thus far the person that performed said action on Rhizo should still be alive. If that's the case, they can make or break you for today Lyner.

[KevinH]

I was told that I am now the doctor.  I was not told I was paranoid.

 

Mod: Would a paranoid modifier necessarily follow?

[Lyner]

 

As for today's target, I'm still gunning for Kevin. A nurse for the paranoid doctor is bit awkward IMO

 

This is true... At the same time, your claimed results from N1 have yet to be proven, and given the roles that have been killed thus far the person that performed said action on Rhizo should still be alive. If that's the case, they can make or break you for today Lyner.

 

 

Correct. The only reason why they haven't done so (since yesterday) could only mean that he is part of scum team. And if he is scum that he's not one of the dead scums. The result is investigation, which means he is either scum tracker/voyeur/watcher/follower/rolecop or JoAT. JoAT SK, maybe?

 

 

That or I'm lying. Feel free to lynch me to lynch me if you guys doubted me as we can afford a few mislynch, and my power isn't that useful anyway.

[LordSunday]

I'm not for lynching just anybody, I'm for lynching the best target for the day. We have until Monday to decide this, and I'm happy that the activity (seems to have) picked up from yesterday.

[FS108]

FOS: CoD, Lyner but not to attack WP's quite yet he is after all a neighbor and i believe he is not dark like SLMK but i could be mistaken like i was with SLMK  

[LordSunday]

FOS: CoD, Lyner but not to attack WP's quite yet he is after all a neighbor and i believe he is not dark like SLMK but i could be mistaken like i was with SLMK  

 

I honestly forgot you were alive...

Your defense of WP is understandable, but everything you say is confusing regardless.

 

Of these three WP is least of my concerns.

 

I'm not sure what to make of CoD or Lyner for my top suspect.

 

Here's my quick look of things:

 

FS108 - Sporadic and awkward in everything. Started wagon for SBG. Has RCed VT.

LordSunday - That's me... Was on lynch for SBG. Is most proven town of anyone by cop results and framer (not tailor) death.

Yehom - Was on lynch for SBG. Has not RCed (that I can remember).

KevinH - Was hammer on lynch for SBG. Has RCed Nurse, now RCed to become Doc.

Lyner - One of my two top suspects for today. Attempted to lynch KevinH, who if telling truth is now Doctor and was prior Nurse. Has RCed to be voyeur with a result on Rhizo N1 that has yet to be confirmed (possible scum move).

Chaplain of Death - One of my two top suspects for today. Didn't touch the wagon on SBG. Has RCed VT.

Finster Baby - Specifically stated would be away for a long time including a replacement request. If he was last scum there would've been no kill. Town in my book for that.

Wolfpacks - I put a weak FoS to try and get him to come out and share thoughts. He was however mentioned by now-scum SBG in a part of his "hider" RC. SBG said he hid behind WP which meant he's confirmed town... Scum trying to give town points to his scummy partner? Maybe, maybe not. 50-50

[KevinH]

Regarding Finster Baby's absence, I don't accept that because there was a kill that he has to be town.

 

If I was the mod, I would allow the dead scum to submit a night-kill while I looked for a replacement.

[The Warrior]

I was told that I am now the doctor.  I was not told I was paranoid.

 

Mod: Would a paranoid modifier necessarily follow?

A modifier would be made known.

 

Regarding Finster Baby's absence, I don't accept that because there was a kill that he has to be town.

 

If I was the mod, I would allow the dead scum to submit a night-kill while I looked for a replacement.

For the record: This is my philosophy as well.

[Yehom]

Lyner, did you not use your night action last night? What did you see, what happened?

[LordSunday]

Yehom makes a very good point... What did you do last night Lyner?

[KevinH]

At this point anybody could be lying, but I put the most towniness on Lord Sunday,

 

FS108 and Yehom were in on the lynch of SeaBeeGipson so they are also very townie to me.

[LordSunday]

Although the last scum could have hidden on the SBG wagon, at this point I find it unlikely. We do have a few mislynches in our favor. It would be nice to finish the game today with a win, but if we choose wrong it won't kill us.

I'm in favor of lynching whoever comes out to be the most incriminating by the end of the day, or whoever's lynch will provide us with the most information in the first requirement isn't met sufficiently by someone.

[Lyner]

Nothing came up, targeted Kevin