Pick Your Power X/Y Mafia

 

Mechanics

 

At the beginning of the game, there is a draft to determine the order for the bidding on roles.

 

Once this has happened, each player will send in the role they'd like to be. Only one role from each "slot" will be awarded.

As such, in the event multiple players select the same role (or the same "slot"), the player highest in the draft order wins the role, whilst the others remain Vanilla.

 

Roles are then distributed and Day 1 begins.

Throughout the bidding phases, the thread is locked, however, mafia may collude privately during this time and then again throughout the day.

 

 

Step 1: The Draft

 

Once alignments have been dealt out, each player must send a (whole) number back to the mod, with the lowest unique number winning the draft. Second place is awarded to the second lowest unique number and so on, until all unique numbers have been exhausted. Next placed on the list is the lowest doubled numbers, followed by the next lowest doubled numbers, and so on. Continue this same process for triples and quadruples.

In cases of multiple players selecting the same number, the higher placed between these players is chosen randomly.

 

Step 2: Bidding for Roles

 

Once the draft order has been determined, each player PM's the moderator of the game with the role they'd like to be. Roles are unisex, in the sense, that they can be selected by Mafia or Town. So, it's possible to have a Mafia 1-Shot Vig or a Town 1-Shot Vig, and so on.

 

Here are the list of roles players select from:

 

1)Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful

2)1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO

3)Cop OR 1-Shot Redirector

4)1-Shot Commuter OR 1-Shot Watcher

5)Doctor OR Roleblocker

6)Universal Backup OR Role Cop

7)Neighborizer OR Fruit Vendor

8)Jailkeeper OR Tracker

 

Players

 

1. SeaBeeGipson

2. Lachiton

3. Brewersalliance

4. Canik, Town Tracker, was killed in cold blood on Night 3.

5. KevinH, Mafia Universal Backup, was arrested on Day 3.

6. Vgmmaster, Mafia goon, committed suicide on Day 4.

7. KitKat16, Vanilla Townie, disappeared during Night 1

8. The Warrior, Vanilla Townie, was stabbed on Day 2.

9. Rafay, Mafia Goon, was assassinated on Night 3.

10. legoboyvdlp

11. Robert2424

12. GoldIron,1-Shot Watcher, was lynched on Day 1

13. iSocialism

14. FrigidInferno, Townie Cop, was shot on Night 2.

 

Rules

• During the Day phase each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the Day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched.
• If two players have reached half-majority and have the same number of votes, the player who reached that number of votes first will be lynched.
• You may vote No Lynch.
• After the Day, the game goes to Night.
• The game thread is closed during the Night. The Mafia can talk to each other at Night as well as during Day.
• All Active Roles may submit actions via PM at Night.
• The Mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at Night.
• After the Night, the game goes to Day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game.
• You may pm me questions or ask them in the game thread.
• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

Game Days will last as many real-life days as there are players alive, though the day lasts for a minimum of 7 days at all times.Game Nights will last 48 hours but will include at least one weekday.

 

 

The Draft has Begun.

 

On a serious note, it usually stands to reason at least 1 scum is on the lynch wagon.

I agree with this, but the math can get twisted.

 

Reasonable facts/assumptions:

• 12 players are alive
• 3 players are scum
• 9 players are townies
• 4 players voted to lynch a townie on day 1

If only 1 scum voted to lynch, that's a 1/4 chance (25%) on each member of {The Warrior, Lachiton, legoboyvdlp, iSocialism} that they are scum.

But if the other 2 scum did not vote to lynch then from my perspective, it's 2/7 chance (28.6%) of being scum for each of the other players that did not vote to lynch.

(The denominator is 7 because I know that I am not scum and did not vote to lynch).

 

So the more I think about this, the more it stands out to me.  First off, Kevin took himself out of the equation right away, which sways the numbers to make it look like it is statistically more beneficial to lynch someone off the goldiron bandwagon, when in fact if it was 1 scum on and two off it would be an even chance, 25%.  I am starting to wonder if there is a reason for this.  I guess what I am trying to say is, there is no way to know the breakdown of where the scum voted, unless you are in fact scum.  so an attempt to  focus to one side over the other using statistics makes me think that person has inside knowledge of where the scum are, and wants to drive the votes to the side with the fewer scum.  If i was scum, and I knew there were 2 scum votes on GoldIron, I would for sure want to make sure the focus was on the people who did not vote for GoldIron, thus decreasing the odds of a scum lynch.  In my eyes, the only benefit of a post like this would be to protect your two scum partners that voted for goldiron and drive the focus away from the wagon, so I am starting to wonder if there might be two scum votes on goldiron.I am not saying that I believe Kevin to be scum or anything, I am just putting this out there, since I am struggling to think of a reason for his post other than to direct the focus of our votes away from the lynch wagon.  I could be way off on this, but to me, it is at least something to go off.  Im curious what the thoughts are on this.  

 

 

On a serious note, it usually stands to reason at least 1 scum is on the lynch wagon.

I agree with this, but the math can get twisted.

 

Reasonable facts/assumptions:

• 12 players are alive
• 3 players are scum
• 9 players are townies
• 4 players voted to lynch a townie on day 1

If only 1 scum voted to lynch, that's a 1/4 chance (25%) on each member of {The Warrior, Lachiton, legoboyvdlp, iSocialism} that they are scum.

But if the other 2 scum did not vote to lynch then from my perspective, it's 2/7 chance (28.6%) of being scum for each of the other players that did not vote to lynch.

(The denominator is 7 because I know that I am not scum and did not vote to lynch).

 

So the more I think about this, the more it stands out to me.  First off, Kevin took himself out of the equation right away, which sways the numbers to make it look like it is statistically more beneficial to lynch someone off the goldiron bandwagon, when in fact if it was 1 scum on and two off it would be an even chance, 25%.  I am starting to wonder if there is a reason for this.  I guess what I am trying to say is, there is no way to know the breakdown of where the scum voted, unless you are in fact scum.  so an attempt to  focus to one side over the other using statistics makes me think that person has inside knowledge of where the scum are, and wants to drive the votes to the side with the fewer scum.  If i was scum, and I knew there were 2 scum votes on GoldIron, I would for sure want to make sure the focus was on the people who did not vote for GoldIron, thus decreasing the odds of a scum lynch.  In my eyes, the only benefit of a post like this would be to protect your two scum partners that voted for goldiron and drive the focus away from the wagon, so I am starting to wonder if there might be two scum votes on goldiron.I am not saying that I believe Kevin to be scum or anything, I am just putting this out there, since I am struggling to think of a reason for his post other than to direct the focus of our votes away from the lynch wagon.  I could be way off on this, but to me, it is at least something to go off.  Im curious what the thoughts are on this.  

 

 

Hmm... as I read this and looked back at Kevin's post I did start to share your suspicion but.. since I also did not vote to lynch and know I'm town the odds for me are 2/7, assuming only 1 scum on the wagon. Which is a bit of a dangerous assumption to hold firmly but it is probably true.

 

​Either way, the odds are essentially equal and it just feels a little wrong to me to vote for someone who didn't have a hand in town death (one of the few true facts we know) over someone who did. So I'm still leaning towards lynching someone from the wagon personally.

 

 

either way, the odds are essentially equal and it just feels a little wrong to me to vote for someone who didn't have a hand in town death (one of the few true facts we know) over someone who did. So I'm still leaning towards lynching someone from the wagon personally.

i like where canik thinks in this.

alright now lemme assume some things:
only 1 scum on the wagon, possibly the warrior, isoc or lego.
lachiton is most likely innocent/town
legoboy still holds a FOS from me on him, might upgrade to a vote next post if he hasnt said anything to change my mind.
im thinking that isoc seems to be someone who'd be a jailkeeper.
The warrior is difficult to get a read on, but my instincts tell me scum.
Idk hold all my observations with as grain of salt, im going to take a nap.

So wait, TW said he was stopped from his actions. But MK is saying that he sent the wrong message to him?

When my name was in the text instead of Robert's, I said that it seemed like someone attempted to stop me from performing an action -- hence the crowd forming in the street and blocking the road.

 

 

 

either way, the odds are essentially equal and it just feels a little wrong to me to vote for someone who didn't have a hand in town death (one of the few true facts we know) over someone who did. So I'm still leaning towards lynching someone from the wagon personally.

i like where canik thinks in this.

alright now lemme assume some things:

only 1 scum on the wagon, possibly the warrior, isoc or lego.

lachiton is most likely innocent/town

legoboy still holds a FOS from me on him, might upgrade to a vote next post if he hasnt said anything to change my mind.

im thinking that isoc seems to be someone who'd be a jailkeeper.

The warrior is difficult to get a read on, but my instincts tell me scum.

Idk hold all my observations with as grain of salt, im going to take a nap.

 

What about iSoc indicates to you that he would be a jailkeeper?

The time for jokes is never over.  This whole game is for entertainment purposes.

 

However, it's time to vote.

 

Vote: iSocialism

 

He was the one that hammered the lynch on a townie and the scum are the ones that most want to lynch a townie.

 

 

What about iSoc indicates to you that he would be a jailkeeper

just a gut feeling. then again, all we have is that right now.
Fuck it, nobodies doing anything.

Vote: Legoboyvdip

 

 

my inner english teacher then* although my english teacher was a pretrty scummy person. turns out she had an affair with a student.

I mean, I had this really hot English teacher in high school. I mean what?

 

Frigid interests me the most though. Him thinking isoc could be a jailkeeper came out of left field, unless there is more content here then meets the eye. 

 

 

FrigidInferno, on 09 Jan 2018 - 09:48, said: my inner english teacher then* although my english teacher was a pretrty scummy person. turns out she had an affair with a student. I mean, I had this really hot English teacher in high school. I mean what?

 

I def would have been ok with my English teacher having an affair with me.  Its pretty scummy she didnt! 

The time for jokes is never over.  This whole game is for entertainment purposes.

 

However, it's time to vote.

 

Vote: iSocialism

 

He was the one that hammered the lynch on a townie and the scum are the ones that most want to lynch a townie.

hammer vote on someone who is now known to be a town. Implying that I hammer voted a town is not fully true. Yes, scum are more likely to want a scum lynched, but if someone else does the dirty work they would prefer that much more. Just speculating there, but aren't we all.

 

 

Frigid interests me the most though. Him thinking isoc could be a jailkeeper came out of left field, unless there is more content here then meets the eye. 

Eh, idk.

 

Frigid interests me the most though. Him thinking isoc could be a jailkeeper came out of left field, unless there is more content here then meets the eye. 

Eh, idk.

 

defense 10/10

the best defense is distraction

the best defense is distraction

so youre trying to distract us from the fact that you are scum by saying ridiculous things?  

if thats what you want to believe, sure.

anyone else gonna point anything out or is today going to be a rest day for the other posters while brewers and i duke it out

also, i was alluding to you quickly going onto the attack after i started accusing you.

if thats what you want to believe, sure.

anyone else gonna point anything out or is today going to be a rest day for the other posters while brewers and i duke it out

also, i was alluding to you quickly going onto the attack after i started accusing you.

considering I was being facetious, I dont think we are really going to be duking anything out lol 

Reasonable facts/assumptions:

• 12 players are alive
• 3 players are scum
• 9 players are townies
• 4 players voted to lynch a townie on day 1

If only 1 scum voted to lynch, that's a 1/4 chance (25%) on each member of {The Warrior, Lachiton, legoboyvdlp, iSocialism} that they are scum.

But if the other 2 scum did not vote to lynch then from my perspective, it's 2/7 chance (28.6%) of being scum for each of the other players that did not vote to lynch.

(The denominator is 7 because I know that I am not scum and did not vote to lynch).

 

 

From the perspective of a townie in {The Warrior, Lachiton, legoboyvdlp, iSocialism}, there would be a 33.3% chance on each of the others in that group that they'd be scum.  Why aren't they voting that way?

 

Maybe there are 2 scum in that group and they are afraid of being in on a second townie lynch in as many days.

 

 

From the perspective of a townie in {The Warrior, Lachiton, legoboyvdlp, iSocialism}, there would be a 33.3% chance on each of the others in that group that they'd be scum.  Why aren't they voting that way?   Maybe there are 2 scum in that group and they are afraid of being in on a second townie lynch in as many days.

 

 

This is a very good point and furthers my thoughts before about there potentially being two scum on the wagon.

 

TW:  I have already expressed my concerns about him and why I think he might be scum

Lachiton:  Hasn't really given off a scummy vibe, but not a super townish one either.  And frigid said he thinks Lach is innocent.  If you saw the accidental PM from frigid, my thoughts on this would make a little more sense.  Basically, either lach is legit innocent and has been cleared by frigid, or lach is scum, and they developed the accidental PM as a ploy to make people think lach is inno.  Basically frigid accidentally says he is investigating lachiton in the group PM chat so everyone can see it, then deletes it to make it look like a mistake, and then says he thinks lachiton is innocent, which in turn would make everyone who saw the mistake think Lachiton is indeed innocent via the results of the investigation, when in fact he is actually scum.  If someone out there is actually the cop and it isnt frigid, then you would be able to verify that that was indeed a ploy, thus making it extremly likely that lachiton and frigid are both scum.  I dont think this hypothetical plan of theirs would be very likely to actually have ahppened though, because it would be a huge risk if there was an actual cop would could easily counter this claim.  However is scum have the cop role, it could be a very strong attempted deception.  So I am suspicious of this, but not enough for a vote or an FoS.

 

Legoboy:  Has acted fairly townish to me so far.  Nothing out of the ordinary in my eyes that screams scum.

 

Isoc.  Was the hammer, and joked about wanting to be the hammer.  Could have used the joking nature to cover the fact he was scum trying to make sure a townie died, and for the most part he has been fairly inactive without contributing much

and back to the frigid lach thing, now that I think of it, if frigid was really inno and accidentally outed himself via the pm, why on earth would the scum have allowed him to live through N1?  It would have been a huge risk, since the scum could have easily gotten a kill on a town power role and eliminated the chance of them being outed via the power role.  Therefore:  FoS both Frigid and Lachiton  

If 2 were on the wagon hypyatheticlly. Maybe they were planning to back off before the Lynch happened?

Back a bit I suspected Frigid before the whole pm thing. I expected him to die last night as it was fairly obvious he is a PR, and most likely a cop at that. That he didn't is suspicious, but I do not think it is worth lynching a possible cop without concrete evidence. Furthermore, I think he is experienced enough at TOS not to try a reckless stunt like that, to clear a scum partner as it really is quite obvious. If there is another cop here, maybe you can role claim next day, or day 4?

 

 

Be advised, though there is no doctor likely as it seems Robert was roleblocked, so make the most of your investigations.

 

 

hammer vote on someone who is now known to be a town. Implying that I hammer voted a town is not fully true. Yes, scum are more likely to want a scum lynched, but if someone else does the dirty work they would prefer that much more. Just speculating there, but aren't we all.

​It is speculation but it's some of the best we've got IMO. Though I am getting tempted to switch my vote to TW. For scum if you can get on a wagon at the start with a good reason for it, that's a good place to be. His move would be a more typical, less bold scum play.

​With both of you I'd like to see a little more determination to hunt down scum.

 

 

basically frigid accidentally says he is investigating lachiton in the group PM chat so everyone can see it, then deletes it to make it look like a mistake, and then says he thinks lachiton is innocent, which in turn would make everyone who saw the mistake think Lachiton is indeed innocent via the results of the investigation, when in fact he is actually scum.

 

 

Welp, its been fun playing with you guys. im so dead by tomorrow. Think of little jimmy and my wife karen. How would they make it?

 

Though I am getting tempted to switch my vote to TW. For scum if you can get on a wagon at the start with a good reason for it, that's a good place to be. His move would be a more typical, less bold scum play.

^whoops sorry, misquoted.
/ooc
Im going to be taking a trip in about 3 days, so i might miss the lynch/night. ive informed SLMK and just wanted you all to know too. it's a week stay in rome (que the AHHHHHHHHHH HELL YES AHHHHHH from me), with limited internet access.so ^
I'm getting the fuck outta ninok lol.
/ooc

^whoops sorry, misquoted.
/ooc
Im going to be taking a trip in about 3 days, so i might miss the lynch/night. ive informed SLMK and just wanted you all to know too. it's a week stay in rome (que the AHHHHHHHHHH HELL YES AHHHHHH from me), with limited internet access.so ^
I'm getting the fuck outta ninok lol.
/ooc

am i allowed to edit that? the post button wasnt working so i clicked again 0.0

/ooc isoc what are you doing being anonymous viewer

 

basically frigid accidentally says he is investigating lachiton in the group PM chat so everyone can see it, then deletes it to make it look like a mistake, and then says he thinks lachiton is innocent, which in turn would make everyone who saw the mistake think Lachiton is indeed innocent via the results of the investigation, when in fact he is actually scum.

 

 

Welp, its been fun playing with you guys. im so dead by tomorrow. Think of little jimmy and my wife karen. How would they make it?

 

Though I am getting tempted to switch my vote to TW. For scum if you can get on a wagon at the start with a good reason for it, that's a good place to be. His move would be a more typical, less bold scum play.

^whoops sorry, misquoted.

/ooc

Im going to be taking a trip in about 3 days, so i might miss the lynch/night. ive informed SLMK and just wanted you all to know too. it's a week stay in rome (que the AHHHHHHHHHH HELL YES AHHHHHH from me), with limited internet access.so ^

I'm getting the fuck outta ninok lol.

/ooc

^whoops sorry, misquoted.

/ooc

Im going to be taking a trip in about 3 days, so i might miss the lynch/night. ive informed SLMK and just wanted you all to know too. it's a week stay in rome (que the AHHHHHHHHHH HELL YES AHHHHHH from me), with limited internet access.so ^

I'm getting the fuck outta ninok lol.

/ooc

am i allowed to edit that? the post button wasnt working so i clicked again 0.0

/ooc isoc what are you doing being anonymous viewer

 

So is MK replacing you, or are you just going to be inactive? 

I can speculate all day too, but. But I can tell the truth, why would I join a wagon with one scum already on it. I rather have a no lynch then double stack on a small wagon. I know every time a townie is lynch. The people on that wagon are looked at. Speculation can mislead other players to lynch another town. I rather have evidence. Such as the forming a wagonS. And people picking sides.

 

 

Lachiton: Hasn't really given off a scummy vibe, but not a super townish one either. And frigid said he thinks Lach is innocent. If you saw the accidental PM from frigid, my thoughts on this would make a little more sense. Basically, either lach is legit innocent and has been cleared by frigid, or lach is scum, and they developed the accidental PM as a ploy to make people think lach is inno. Basically frigid accidentally says he is investigating lachiton in the group PM chat so everyone can see it, then deletes it to make it look like a mistake, and then says he thinks lachiton is innocent, which in turn would make everyone who saw the mistake think Lachiton is indeed innocent via the results of the investigation, when in fact he is actually scum. If someone out there is actually the cop and it isnt frigid, then you would be able to verify that that was indeed a ploy, thus making it extremly likely that lachiton and frigid are both scum. I dont think this hypothetical plan of theirs would be very likely to actually have ahppened though, because it would be a huge risk if there was an actual cop would could easily counter this claim. However is scum have the cop role, it could be a very strong attempted deception. So I am suspicious of this, but not enough for a vote or an FoS.

 

Frigid's accidental message to the group had to be a legitimate attempt at submitting a night action and not an attempt to deceive. Using the group game PM as a ploy is against the rules of the game, particularly this one:

 

Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)

 

Therefore, it was most likely a bad mistake. If the term used was "investigate" it likely follows that one of the following is true:

 

-Frigid is a town cop and discovered that Lachiton is indeed townie, thus clearing him.

-Frigid is a scum cop and already knew Lachiton's status. In this case, the comment from Frigid about thinking Lachiton is innocent could be a legit cop giving a legit result, a scum cop giving a real result to associate himself with the town for later in the game, or a scum cop giving a fake result on Lachiton who is also scum in order to hopefully protect him.

-Frigid is a role cop and is making an assumption on Lachiton's status based off of the role returned to him. Although in this game, you can't really make an assumption like this with any certainty since the role could belong to either a town or scum faction.

 

Of these three, I am most inclined to believe the first to be true but it is not a given by any means.

 

 

 

basically frigid accidentally says he is investigating lachiton in the group PM chat so everyone can see it, then deletes it to make it look like a mistake, and then says he thinks lachiton is innocent, which in turn would make everyone who saw the mistake think Lachiton is indeed innocent via the results of the investigation, when in fact he is actually scum.

 

 

Welp, its been fun playing with you guys. im so dead by tomorrow. Think of little jimmy and my wife karen. How would they make it?

 

I am not asking you to role claim officially, but assuming that you are town, I will point out that the town knowing what you know before you die is important.

 

Having said that, if the scum team has access to a roleblocker or jailkeeper role -- they could leave Frigid alive, choose to block his night actions moving forward and go after other townies while simultaneously making Frigid look scummier each day he's alive.

 

Lachiton: Hasn't really given off a scummy vibe, but not a super townish one either. And frigid said he thinks Lach is innocent. If you saw the accidental PM from frigid, my thoughts on this would make a little more sense. Basically, either lach is legit innocent and has been cleared by frigid, or lach is scum, and they developed the accidental PM as a ploy to make people think lach is inno. Basically frigid accidentally says he is investigating lachiton in the group PM chat so everyone can see it, then deletes it to make it look like a mistake, and then says he thinks lachiton is innocent, which in turn would make everyone who saw the mistake think Lachiton is indeed innocent via the results of the investigation, when in fact he is actually scum. If someone out there is actually the cop and it isnt frigid, then you would be able to verify that that was indeed a ploy, thus making it extremly likely that lachiton and frigid are both scum. I dont think this hypothetical plan of theirs would be very likely to actually have ahppened though, because it would be a huge risk if there was an actual cop would could easily counter this claim. However is scum have the cop role, it could be a very strong attempted deception. So I am suspicious of this, but not enough for a vote or an FoS.

 

Frigid's accidental message to the group had to be a legitimate attempt at submitting a night action and not an attempt to deceive. Using the group game PM as a ploy is against the rules of the game, particularly this one:

 

Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)

 

Therefore, it was most likely a bad mistake. If the term used was "investigate" it likely follows that one of the following is true:

 

-Frigid is a town cop and discovered that Lachiton is indeed townie, thus clearing him.

-Frigid is a scum cop and already knew Lachiton's status. In this case, the comment from Frigid about thinking Lachiton is innocent could be a legit cop giving a legit result, a scum cop giving a real result to associate himself with the town for later in the game, or a scum cop giving a fake result on Lachiton who is also scum in order to hopefully protect him.

-Frigid is a role cop and is making an assumption on Lachiton's status based off of the role returned to him. Although in this game, you can't really make an assumption like this with any certainty since the role could belong to either a town or scum faction.

 

Of these three, I am most inclined to believe the first to be true but it is not a given by any means.

 

 

 

basically frigid accidentally says he is investigating lachiton in the group PM chat so everyone can see it, then deletes it to make it look like a mistake, and then says he thinks lachiton is innocent, which in turn would make everyone who saw the mistake think Lachiton is indeed innocent via the results of the investigation, when in fact he is actually scum.

 

 

Welp, its been fun playing with you guys. im so dead by tomorrow. Think of little jimmy and my wife karen. How would they make it?

 

I am not asking you to role claim officially, but assuming that you are town, I will point out that the town knowing what you know before you die is important.

 

Having said that, if the scum team has access to a roleblocker or jailkeeper role -- they could leave Frigid alive, choose to block his night actions moving forward and go after other townies while simultaneously making Frigid look scummier each day he's alive.

 

A few things about that.  While you do raise a good point that it would be against the rules, perhaps as a new player he would not have known it was a violation, and as MK previously stated with the Kitkat situation, when we were curious what would have happened if kitkat did violate the rules, MK said he would handle it privately with kitkat.  Therefore i think its safe to assume that if it was a ploy MK would have handled it privately with frigid, thus making it still possible it was a ploy. Of all the people to come to the defense of someone I am suggesting might be scum the first to defend frigid is TW, who is also someone I suggested as scum.  While im sure that is just a coincidence, I do find it interesting.  

A few more thoughts. 

 

if frigid is indeed innocent, TW suggesting Frigid confirm he is indeed the cop would almost ensure his lynch by the mafia. While he is trying to make it look like a friendly suggestion to the town,  TW would be virtually sealing the fate of frigid if he admits it.  That to me is pretty scummy.  Yes Yes I know I was the first one to bring up the PM mistake, but plenty of us saw it, and my intention was to talk about the fact that it might be fake.

 

And if frigid is indeed scum, and therefor would not die at night, TW has also created a reason for why the town should keep frigid alive:  by suggesting that frigid is being role blocked and framed by the scum.  

and also to further my point about TW asking Frigid to confirm he is the cop.  Lets consider frigid for a moment being scum.  He could admit he is the cop, and end up being scum as the cop.  OR perhaps scum has the role of 1-Shot Redirector which in turn would prevent there from being a cop, and frigid could saftly admit it without a potential counter claim.  So even if Frigid is scum, TW has coverage with trying to paint him as town by admitting he is the cop