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The cost of these policies will be the destruction of social security or the dramatic increase in taxes. Your parents will have their retirements wiped out, and you yourself may be not able to retire period.

I wouldn't take that much time to write that much, double chance I'll take the time to read all that. I did read the last part though :)

I have never relied on Social Security. I don't trust the government. We shall see if I even bother with it... I don't plan to ever "retire". My parents are long dead. My "retirement" is already secure. My adult children are the ones that I'm concerned with. One of my daughters makes more money than I ever did, no worries there... and yes, she's the Trump supporting Republican one.


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The cost of these policies will be the destruction of social security or the dramatic increase in taxes. Your parents will have their retirements wiped out, and you yourself may be not able to retire period.

I wouldn't take that much time to write that much, double chance I'll take the time to read all that. I did read the last part though :)

I have never relied on Social Security. I don't trust the government. We shall see if I even bother with it... I don't plan to ever "retire". My parents are long dead. My "retirement" is already secure. My adult children are the ones that I'm concerned with. One of my daughters makes more money than I ever did, no worries there... and yes, she's the Trump supporting Republican one.

 

 

 

To bad, you rely on it anyways. So does your daughter. See most of the US debt is owned by US hands. Infact about a third of it is owned by the federal government itself. If the US choses to cut social security, it's going to completely body the US economy. Unless you plan on dying in the next decade, your retirement will not be secure and neither will your kids. 

 

Naturally this exposes another line of bullshit by the republican party. The current debt that they're taking onm has nothing at all to do with paying for infrastructure the US government took in a trillion dollars last year than it did in 2008 (and yes that's the before the recession figure). Congress could pass the same budget they did in W's last year or obamas first and have a half trillion dollar surplus. Except those years includes massive counter spending to stop the recession from death spiraling the economy. Even with the increase in mandatroy spending over the last decade, they could fund most of a trillion dollar infrastructure program. 
 

They're taking on debt because the republicans haven't been the party of fiscal responsibility since Reagan who took on so much debt that despite 40 years of inflation, something like 10% of the US debt still dates to the Bush Senior and Reagan eras. Because to quote Dick Cheney " Reagan proved deficits don't matter". The only thing the US public will get from the current deficit is robbed. 


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Oh okay. I get it now. It's looking more like those mid-terms will not end up in that gigantic blue wave, so out comes the Social Security card. It's really getting old. The Federal Government should apologize for ever getting involved in the retirement business, give us back all the money they stole from us, and never do it again. I will do everything I possibly can, and will do whatever necessary... to prevent Socialists from controlling my life, and my country.


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Let me guess, you don't actually know how social security, or any pension fund actually works? 

 

You think your Roth IRA or whatever is any safer than social security? That will collapse at the same time. If the USA can't cover the securities it's issued and has to hack at social security, it's both gonna tank the economy and force the value of those securities way below par. 


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Let me guess, you don't actually know how social security, or any pension fund actually works? 

 

You think your Roth IRA or whatever is any safer than social security? That will collapse at the same time. 

My house is paid off, and I diversify. I like solar and robotics right now. What happened to us in 2008 will never happen again. :)


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Yes first black president, believe even first born off-continent (unless you wanna follow the conspiracy). He was plenty black enough for the entire Republican party, so don't try to play coy.

Morgan Freeman, he's a famous black American actor, was the first to say Obama shouldn't be considered the first black President, he's far from Republican. Once again you call all Republicans racist. There are many black Republicans.

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I was speaking about you calling him "half white" to keep the "first black president" from sticking. I solely commented on you and on Republicans actions towards him during his tenure. Which was Freemans entire stick about it, you folks even have issues with a "half" black dude, who knows what frothing happens when it is a 100% genuine article. (and we know what the right did to Michelle...)
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Yes, an incredible watered down REPUBLICAN plan

That plan was rejected. It's unconstitutional for Congress to pass a law requiring people to purchase a product. The Supreme Court allowed the individual mandate to stand under condition that it's a tax, because Congress has the power to tax. Easily repealed by Congress repealing the tax, and signed into law by a new President.

 

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It is indeed a tax, such as a tax you pay for your local street. Stop trying to disenfranchise your own society will ya.
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And what "consent of the people"? Thought you fellows weren't a democracy...

The actions of a President without Congress last as long as that President. No treaty, or any other agreement, is binding without a affirmative vote from Congress. Executive orders can be erased by another executive order.

 

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And so many have been done, could you stop shouting when it just goes against your personal ways then? Perhaps some middle ground negotiations and proper laws can be enacted to atleast keep you folks from swaying hard-Dem, hard-Rep every fucking 2 years. Most split personality people have less violent moodswings.
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ooo the NWO, is that the same one that hoaxed the Moon landing aswell?

I do my best to be honest. So few of us left. These climate change people are not concerned about "pollution", they are concerned about controlling the world population. Much like religion controls people under gods no one has ever seen, climate change is the new religion to control people with a fictitious catastrophe. How are we doing with controlling all that hot air coming up out of Hawaii?

 

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1 thing: natural vs anthropogenic.

 

Look it up, read about it, consider what balance actually is and perhaps then wonder why people keep finding mentions of "NWO" to be humerous at best, usually pathetic but eventually worrisome about that persons wellbeing.

 

I personally like the "NWO" because they keep changing which side they are on, strangly something to do which which side is conjuring them up to be their boogeyman... <_<
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Can't really improve much if the sides keep getting put in arms against eachother...

Relations period will never improve as long as one category continues to be blamed or used as an excuse over another category. As soon as the words "because he's white", "because he's black", "because he's gay", "because he's a man"... on and on. Race relations will not improve as long as it's used in a debate. My rule would be... the first to bring up race, loses.

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Yeah, lets ignore both human nature and one of the corner stones of human success: our (mis-)ability to gauge someones worth on less then 1 second of interaction: first impression.

 

What we need is for people to continue to be able to adjust said first impression and evolve as time goes on. Indeed the "because (s)he is X" doesn't help in the slightest.
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And why yes, Republicans are all for that "fiscal responsibility" hé?

We cut the taxes, and brought in record tax receipts. I do believe Donald Trump, given 2 terms, will spend more money than Obama did... but at least he will have something to show for it. It would be spent on infrastructure.

 

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See RH and utopian delusions.
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At that point they pass a bill approving their budget and the only thing the president can do is either sign it or veto it. And because congress isn't dumb, they make sure the budget gets passed quite late in order to give the president a choice of "sign it or the federal government has no budget for this year". And so it bascily always gets signed.

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Knew Reagan was the first to say "FU" to congress about it, seems Clinton did too. The other ones were indeed Congress saying "FU" to the president (some Rep, some Dem).
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My house is paid off, and I diversify. I like solar and robotics right now. What happened to us in 2008 will never happen again. :)

Meanwhile Republicans are loosening alot of the restrictions put in place to keep 2008 from happening again, all cause $$$.

 

 

And Lys thinks libertarians on their own island is all fine and dandy.


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On to a topic that matters. I'm not too much into sports, but our brand spankin' new expansion desert hockey team just beat the Canadians and are on their way to the Stanley! Go Vegas Golden Knights!


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And looking at rosters, the Americans (7-10) lost to the Canadians (20-12). Vegas first, Winnipes second.


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Aaaand, the meeting is cancelled. All this, in spite of the While House comms department issuing a memorial coin :(

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Yes it is canceled. Too bad, but we did get those three guys out. We're in trade negotiations with China, so it's time to turn the heat back up. It's possible Little Kimmy wanted to see if he could get South Korea to not like us so much, and get our military out. If so, I don't think that worked out. No more Olympics to exploit for the cameras, so I don't know what he will do now. We will be watching.


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unfortunately as long as bolton is the national security advisor, america will find itself isolated from it's allies. Infact Bolton will result in SK looking away from America. With his past and continuing advocacy for US military intervention in NK, something damn near no one in SK wants anything to do with. Almost no one on the world stage wants anything to with the guy.

 

 While NK summits were almost certainly going to fail, the way this failed while simultaneously pissing off every ally in the region is a pretty solid example on why he keeps getting thrown to the wolves. Dude thinks he's Kissinger but doens't even have the benefit of being halfway competent.


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The whole purpose of the summit was denuclearization. Threatening us with a nuke strike was the fastest way to get Trump to call it off. Shutting down the nuke program, and removing that threat, is non-negotiable. That must be done before anything happens for NoKo. China had much to do with where we are at right now, and they will be lucky if Trump doesn't destroy their economy. He's not Obama or Bush. Trump has the spine to do what they didn't have the guts to do. China may soon be the next Soviet Union.

 

Bolton is an excuse. I personally like the position of "stop threatening us and our allies or you're dead".


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While you may like that logic, that's not Bolton's logic.

 

To use an analogy, your logic is like having a friend who's having problems with their neighbor, and so you "have a word with them". We could debate the efficacy of that, but whatever not the point.

 

Bolton's logic would be to show up and threaten to napalm the entire neighbor hood, including your friend's house.

 

 

Bolton is an excuse yes. As said before, this is not new behavior. The point is that the excuse in this case has also pissed off SK, Japan, and helps ensure China will back NK as well. NK being NK is one thing. Providing NK the excuse while simultaneously flipping off your allies takes something special.

 

Also even if Bolton is just an excuse, the point is that his actions would have scuttled the talks even if NK was playing in good faith. So NK being NK here doesn't even matter since he managed to undermine US creditably regardless.


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Didn't the UN lift some travel sanctions on request of Singapore just days prior, wonder if they will forget putting them back on :D

 

The cancellation was predictable just cause nothing moved from USA's side. Diplomacy works both ways and now with the nuclear deterrent you definatly lost the bully method towards NK. heck probably just cutting that recent USA-SK army drill short would have been enough towards atleast a possiblity of talks.


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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/05/24/trump-cancels-summit-kim/640452002/

 

oh geeze. So if that's accurate he did so unilaterally and without bothered to tell anyone else first. It's like he wants to piss america's allies off.


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I hear Little Kimmy wants the meeting back now. He asks for a meeting thinking Trump won't do it. Trump immediately says okay. Since Trump immediately said okay, Kimmy then thinks Trump is Obama, and will do anything to keep the meeting. Seriously... Iran could have asked for the Statue of Liberty and Obama would have wrapped it up with a bow. But instead when Kimmy starts talking like he's a badass again, cancels a meeting with South Korea, talking about nuking again... Trump cancels the meeting. Now Kimmy wants it back.

 

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Well we know Lys doesn't speak diplo, let alone Trump. Lovely letter btw, sounds like my first english classes.

 

Nobody has gained a thing expect to look "powerfull" by their zealot backers (which is a moot point anyway).


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Lovely letter btw, sounds like my first english classes.

He could have written it in crayon. It was still effective. Kim needs the meeting... Trump knows that. He must be nice, and say please.


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He basically signs in crayon, but that's beside the point. If you consider such a letter drafted to be up to snuff, for whatever intended recipient, I call shenanigans on you. Brooms out!


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I hear Little Kimmy wants the meeting back now
 

Or they are just saying that to make NK save face. Then it is Trump who is the bad guy, he is the one that cancelled when NK is obviously open. He played right into their hands.


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