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[MsShawdi]

Sucks that we lost two townies in the night.

 

We need to really figure out who the remaining scum is/are. I do know that I am town, and I am fairly certain that Jazzy is town as well (I assume Jazzy is the cop, though I can't confirm this).

 

Jazzy, do you have any relevant information for us?

[Jazzy95]

Not right now...

 

Although I'd like to hear from iSoc about the non vote yesterday?

[iSocialism]

Didn't need to vote, along with a few others. Why is your focus on me? Don't like me questioning you. If you don't want to come forward with your role, just say that. Robert is a trickster in my mind. It wouldn't surprise me if he told his scum buddy to sacrifice him. Your hesitation on any info is a red flag to me.

[Lachiton]

If you're cop Jazzy, we need to know non-guilty results as well. Also apart from iSoc, Wolfpacks stayed out of voting for Robert as well, though he had the chance to be the hammer. With no deadline lynch, I am pretty sure Robert's scum buddies would never like to be the hammer and let the day end in no lynch.

3 people stayed out of the wagon, especially when others were asking the remaining to hammer Robert for the lynch. Medved turned out town ( my guess he was killed by brewers unless we have scum vig as well), so that leaves iSoc and Wolfpacks. The suspicion now falls on you two.

Vote: Wolfpacks

Didnt post yet this day and stayed out of the lynch. 

[iSocialism]

Robert was a shooing to be lynched off the wagon doesn't mean a whole lot. It's poor scum hunting or if the town bites on it, a good scum tactic.

[Lachiton]

Robert was a shooing to be lynched off the wagon doesn't mean a whole lot. It's poor scum hunting or if the town bites on it, a good scum tactic.

It's good scum tactic but a very risky move. What if there was a cop and he didnt fall for it and investigated Jazzy the following night? Scum would lose 2 members by Day 3 and it would  be almost game over for them. Not totally discounting the theory, but doesn't seem probable to me atm.

Also why are you so defensive about this and trying to deflect attention to Jazzy? He led a lynch of a scum and for me that's enough to think him as town. Unless someone comes forward with definitive proof, theres no reason to doubt him even when he has not role claimed.

[KevinH]

Since town had 3 shot vig, I am assuming there's still 2 scum left.

 

3-shot vig doesn't imply 3 scum. but a game with 10 players would probably have 3 scum so you have the right assumption for the wrong reason.

[iSocialism]

I'm talking about the lynch of Robert, being on the wagon doesn't mean town. It's would be a better place for scum to hide, since Robert was going to get lynched. Going for someone solely because they were off the wagon is bad town.
Also jazzy is most likely town, but the vagueness of the claim bugs me. I just want to know why. Still haven't gotten a simple answer to a simple question. A I don't want people to know my role would of been much better.

[Jazzy95]

If you're cop Jazzy, we need to know non-guilty results as well. Also apart from iSoc, Wolfpacks stayed out of voting for Robert as well, though he had the chance to be the hammer. With no deadline lynch, I am pretty sure Robert's scum buddies would never like to be the hammer and let the day end in no lynch.

3 people stayed out of the wagon, especially when others were asking the remaining to hammer Robert for the lynch. Medved turned out town ( my guess he was killed by brewers unless we have scum vig as well), so that leaves iSoc and Wolfpacks. The suspicion now falls on you two.

Vote: Wolfpacks

Didnt post yet this day and stayed out of the lynch.

Yea so I can kill two birds with one stone here. Yesterday I left my role vague to try and protect myself. Coming out and saying “Hey guys I’m a cop and he’s a bad guy” probably would’ve killed me last night. And I think it worked, maybe I was a tracker, maybe I was a cop, maybe I really did have a vendetta about last game.

On to your second point, I agree! I didn’t like the three people that didn’t vote so I stopped by Wolfpacks to check him out, and he came up town. And, since Medved is dead, that only leaves one other person.

Still haven't gotten a simple answer to a simple question. A I don't want people to know my role would of been much better.

 
Your question was “Can you confirm you saw Robert doing the kill the first night?” You’re trying to poke holes into the fact that I got scum lynched D1 while you say quietly, saying nothing. And you can call Robert a trickster, but with only 10 players, scum lynching scum is one risky move.

Also why are you so defensive about this and trying to deflect attention to Jazzy?

Because that’s all he can do.

Robert was a shooing to be lynched off the wagon doesn't mean a whole lot. It's poor scum hunting or if the town bites on it, a good scum tactic.

 
You just seem salty that your scum buddy got lynched and you don’t know why. 

I'll withhold lynching you until you say something. Maybe you have something valuable to say?

[iSocialism]

Then vote for me, unless you want to keep this passive aggressive thing up.

You wanted to have Robert lynch with a vague claim. Looking at retrospect it would be easy for all of us to say you went after scum. Wasn't known to everyone on day one. The vagueness didnt sell it to me, so I didn't vote. I could have easily voted any time during the day. I'm just not desperate for town creed.
Leaving things vague would allow for wiggle room the next day. That's what bugs me, and that's why I didn't vote. Maybe my vote requires a little bit of effort to get.

[KevinH]

Lynching Robert was the townie thing to do since there was no other viable candidates.

 

The scum knew that so they could just as easily be on the wagon.

 

But with everything else being equal we might as well go after those that weren't in on the lynch.

 

Vote: iSocialism

[iSocialism]

Well, if I knew we were going to play newbie style mafia. I would have voted for Robert to ultimately prove myself town. Maybe I could also prove myself town by not talking and staying in the background.

[Wolfpacks]

I gave my reason for not voting, I want Jazzy to give me a reason to vote, he didn't and someone else hammered him, we got rid of 1 scum member but lost 2 townies bad trade, I personally think there are 2 scum left

[iSocialism]

So let's scum hunt.

There are 5 players left that are not myself out of those players. I would say jazzy is the least scummiest/most town. Jazzy has never been my prime suspect. I just didn't like the way the claim was presented.

After that we have WP, Kevin, Lach, Ms.S
WP is the only one off the wagon. The other three all the latter vote on the wagon. If there is two left I would think one off, and one on. Of the four WP has my same thinking which would me he's not desperate for town creed as well.

Which would leave three. None of them are talking. Kevin has already wanted to lynched off the wagon because off bad scum hunting or going with the most likely target to be lynched off of other posting. Kevin is trying to secure a lynch not a town win. No evidence, off the wagon simply means off the wagon. Medved was off the wagon, how did that go? You can also say last part of the wagon simply means last part of the wagon. It's going to be a pick your poison scenario. But don't say if Robert is now known to be scum then all who didn't know that and didn't vote for him should lynched. Retrospect is not great evidence.

Ms.S hasn't really talked in my mind, so I can't get a read.

Lach seems to be playing it safe.

Which only leaves me with Kevin as my prime suspect.

[KevinH]

Robert2424 (5): brewsersalliance, Jazzy95, Lachiton, KevinH, MsShawdi 
MsShawdi (1): Robert2424,
 
Not voting:  Colonel MedVed, Wolfpacks, iSocialism

 

I believe Jazzy is the cop.

 

I stopped by Wolfpacks to check him out, and he came up town.

 

So ...

 

Town

• Jazzy95 - pegged Robert as scum (it coud be a clever scum gambit, but I doubt it)
• Wolfpacks - found town by Jazzy (could still be a Godfather)
• Kevin - I know I'm town.

 

Voted to lynch scum (could be scum because Jazzy's was the only accusation made and Robert's lynch was inevitable)

• Lachiton
• MsShawdi 

 

Didn't vote to lynch scum

• iSocialism

 

With no other information, the choice for the next lynch seems clear to me.

[iSocialism]

Your only reason for voting for me is that I didn't vote for the unknown affiliation player. He was scum to begin with but only scum to us day 3/N2. The only people who could have voted for him because they known he was scum was the cop and his scum buddies. Everyone else guessed or trusted jazz's plea.

Side note, I was going off what I thought I remembered. Being that jazzy visited messed last night. My bad, but goes to show that being off the wagon has had two confirmed town.

If they're 2 scums left, means we can't mislynch today. 6 alive 4-2. Tomorrow 2-2. That's game unless someone can stopped someone. Like a jailer or something. So I would be weary of ending the day without everyone speaking.

[Jazzy95]

So no one has anything else to add? Was no one capable of doing anything besides mafia and me? 

[Lachiton]

3-shot vig doesn't imply 3 scum. but a game with 10 players would probably have 3 scum so you have the right assumption for the wrong reason.

That's not what I meant exactly. I said we had a vig so therefore that makes more sense if we have 3 scum members instead of 2. I didn't try to equate 3 shot = 3 scum.

 

Now that being said, I believe Jazzy is cop. I know I am town so that leaves the rest 4 as suspects:

 

1. MsShawdi - Though she was hesitant, she ultimately hammered Robert, especially when there's no deadline lynch. Looks townish for that.

2. Wolfpacks - Cleared by Jazzy. Could be Godfather but considering the setup this will be too overpowering for scum. 

3. iSocialism - Stayed out of the lynch. Gives the same reasons as WP that Jazzy was vague in his claim so he couldn't believe him entirely. 50/50 for me.

4. KevinH - Voted for Robert but could be scum trying to get town cred. He did try to create a separate wagon on iSoc for inactivity, then immediately changed course when I voted for Robert and called him out for it. 50/50 for me again.

 

It looks to me between iSoc and Kevin, there's definitely a scum there or maybe both are, creating a fake to and fro between them so that even if one gets lynched, the other can fool town. 

Today is MyLo ie we mislynch we lose (assuming 2 scum left). So if we cant make up our mind should we go for no-lynch, which would technically make the next day LyLo? 
What are people's thoughts on this? We need to make up our mind soon though.

[KevinH]

I think there are 2 more scum.
 
While my vote is on iSocialism for one of them, who's the other?
 
Lachiton and MsShawdi were in on the lynch, but it was a foregone conclusion with Jazzy's accusation and nothing else to go on.  iSocialism is correct in his plea that not being on the wagon is a scum tell, but we have to lynch somebody if we are going to win this.

Wolfpacks was found town by Jazzy, but he could be a Godfather.
I disagree with Lachiton that it's too overpowering for scum.
We had a vigilante which is a good town power role and which in my mind makes a scum power role more likely.

Jazzy is not 100% town in my book. The more I think about the clever scum gambit, the more plausible it seems. Jazzy didn't quite claim to be a cop until recently; maybe he was afraid of a counter claim but when that didn't happen he could be more bold.  This is just speculation and I don't really believe it myself but it's worth discussion.

[Lachiton]

Unvote

 

I guess you all are forgetting about the 2 kills. What if brewers didnt use his vig kill? That means scum has power to do multi kills in some nights or x - shotted. So if that's the case then I dont think we have a Godfather, which means WP is town.

WP and Shawdi you guys need to share your thoughts and whom we should lynch if you're town. We are in crunch time now. When is the deadline btw?