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[The Warrior]

Due to my weak modifier I would die if I hid behind scum.

There's just something off to me about TW role claim.
It just seems perfectly a coincidence that he selected all town players. Though, sometimes that how it works when your a cop after 5 days.

TW why didn't you hide behind someone twice? We're you using your role more as an investigation role. If so, did you leave clues behind to show you found someone to be safe.

Also side thought, would any mafia roles not be detected/or whatever if TW hid behind them.

I expected this sort of response from you after calling you out. This confirms to me that you are most likely going to flip scum. I have been here the entire game participating. We haven’t had any positive results yet but at least I’ve been here. I’ve also role claimed and laid out everything I know for the town. Where have you been? What have you contributed? With the town in a desperate situation you didn’t even show up until after getting called out and your response was to try to discredit the person calling you out.

And yes I have been using my role as an “investigative” role. With SBG dying early there wasn’t really any trail for me to leave there. But my second “investigation” was of Brewers and on several occasions I publicly stated that I believed Brewers was town and included him on my townie list in case I ended up dying. My third “investigation” was of Robert and I role claimed after that.

[Robert2424]

yeah, his post doesn't inspire confidence that he's town. If he is town, it isn't a good way to play town. 

[iSocialism]

In which way was me asking questions trying to discredit you, or is that the picture you want to paint right now.

Also wasn't much of a call out. This game been dead much of the days until now with role claims. I haven't had much time to read through everyone's post and try to look for hidden clues, sorry I asked you a simple question didn't know you would be so fiery about it.

Robert's role claim at least has risk which means every person has to acknowledge it which makes it harder to make believe. Where your role doesn't. Scum know he town is, not their roles. I could easy give a list of all the town players if I was scum. Therefore your role is easier to make believe. I just saying not only with your role do you have to hide someone who won't be killed during the night (higher risk NK targets) you have to dodge selecting scum as well.

I just wanted clarification on some stuff so I can figure out who the scum are as well. Robert role, is a little more self explanatory to me after he tells me he past targets. I sorry talking about your role makes you nervous. If you want I could go back to not talking and not poking around if that would make you more comfortable.

Nothing is a sure scum tell sign,

[The Warrior]

How is responding to me mentioning you by saying “something about TW’s role claim seems off to me” not trying to discredit me? That’s exactly what it was meant to be. You are trying to cast doubt upon my role by playing it off as pure convenience. You may say that it’s a convenient claim but it’s only one piece of the puzzle. I’ll go back to the other part of my response to you. I’ve been here the entire game contributing. That’s a heck of a lot more than you or a couple others can say. You know as well as I do that scum tend to lay low more often than not in order to avoid slipping up. It’s pretty damn hard for a scum to do that when they are actively posting the whole game and have a full voting record.

[iSocialism]

You have been active to contributing to the lynch of town players, and just today (mafai day) casting doubts on medved role.

 

So I'm leaning

Medved is town, what has been his night actions

 

Robert said he watched TW and saw Brewer visit him, no counter claim so either both are scum and playing along with each other or along with no other counters to his action...

Robert is town

 

Brewer isn't out of the clear yet, no RC, but with Robert being town saw TW being visited by brewer, and no one visited him n3. Did cast don't on TW about his targeting of medved, but TW backed off with pressure. I believe he still have some more info from some nights, but I'm alright letting that be.

Neutral /leaning town

 

canik - probably scum 8 players left, 4 clear in my book, 3/4 or 4/4 chance of being scum

 

WP - Same as above, plus not talking much but a lot of people haven't including some of us on D1.

 

Gian - claums VT, but as stated above 3/4 or 4/4 chance.

 

Then there's TW pushing hard for the lynch of two town, though one was Rafay so some slack given, and wanting the lynch of medved today, role NAs just seems convenient to me/lucky but as stated above 3/4 or 4/4

[Canik]

@Lord MK - have me replaced if you can please. Busy with rolling COBRA among other things. Sorry everyone!

[Lord MK]

@Lord MK - have me replaced if you can please. Busy with rolling COBRA among other things. Sorry everyone!

Oh, ok.
Working on it.

[brewersalliance]

You have been active to contributing to the lynch of town players, and just today (mafai day) casting doubts on medved role.
 
So I'm leaning
Medved is town, what has been his night actions
 
Robert said he watched TW and saw Brewer visit him, no counter claim so either both are scum and playing along with each other or along with no other counters to his action...
Robert is town
 
Brewer isn't out of the clear yet, no RC, but with Robert being town saw TW being visited by brewer, and no one visited him n3. Did cast don't on TW about his targeting of medved, but TW backed off with pressure. I believe he still have some more info from some nights, but I'm alright letting that be.
Neutral /leaning town
 
canik - probably scum 8 players left, 4 clear in my book, 3/4 or 4/4 chance of being scum
 
WP - Same as above, plus not talking much but a lot of people haven't including some of us on D1.
 
Gian - claums VT, but as stated above 3/4 or 4/4 chance.
 
Then there's TW pushing hard for the lynch of two town, though one was Rafay so some slack given, and wanting the lynch of medved today, role NAs just seems convenient to me/lucky but as stated above 3/4 or 4/4

Sounds like some potential bussing here... Basically just agreeing with other people's already stating analysis.

And I am confirmed town fyi, TW would be dead if I was scum

[brewersalliance]

so basically the first time in the entire game isoc has done any effort in scum hunting is when his back is against the wall and he is being painted as scum. And who is he saying are most likely scum? Canik and Wolfpacks, the two that pretty much everyone else is saying is most likely scum. As long as town sticks with the plan and doesnt fall for scum lies we should actually somehow win this game.

lynch iSoc today, then wolfpacks tomorrow (he is more active so he should be first) then win the game with a lynch of canik (or whomever replaces him).

we should maybe end the day early before MK gets a replacement too, as it increases the odds of an inactive scum missing a kill I doubt anyone is going to come out with any information that will change the course of the game between now and deadline. its the same couple people who are active (me, tw, robert) and everyone else is really just spotty at best, and we all have made our thoughts clear. so no point in letting scum get an active player as a replacement for canik

vote: iSoc

[Lord MK]

Vote Count

iSocialism (2): Robert2424, brewersalliance
Canik (1): Colonel Medved
The Warrior (0):
GianMirell (0):
Colonel Medved (0):
Wolfpacks (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Brewersalliance (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: The Warrior, GianMirell, Wolfpacks, Canik

with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is on Sunday, September 30th, 2018 at 12 am CN time.

[iSocialism]

Brewer I would have to believe in TW role for you to be cleared by TW role. Also I didn't know I wasn't allowed to agree with other people views on pretty self explanatory self. You want me to talk but don't what I have to say. Maybe I'm just digging in the right spot. Wouldn't a talking scum be better then a non talking scum.

Doesn't matter who is lynch for scum they just need one more lynch.

Vote Canik
Like I said a talking scum is better then a non talking one. He has a good chance, and already has one vote. Just trying to help my self out unless the also isn't allowed

[GianMirell]

Vote Isoc

[brewersalliance]

Brewer I would have to believe in TW role for you to be cleared by TW role. Also I didn't know I wasn't allowed to agree with other people views on pretty self explanatory self. You want me to talk but don't what I have to say. Maybe I'm just digging in the right spot. Wouldn't a talking scum be better then a non talking scum.

Doesn't matter who is lynch for scum they just need one more lynch.

Vote Canik
Like I said a talking scum is better then a non talking one. He has a good chance, and already has one vote. Just trying to help my self out unless the also isn't allowed

if u want me to take my vote off u and switch to canik, then why dont u role claim and actually give me a reason to think u are innocent

[The Warrior]

iSoc is now at 3 votes: Robert, Brewers, Gian

Canik is at 2 votes: MedVed, iSoc

 

I think that there is a high likelihood that both are going to end up being scum. iSoc is currently my preference to lynch but I am going to hold out a little bit longer from voting to make sure he doesn't get hammered just in case.

 

A couple observations about the above votes:

1) Due to my "investigations", Robert and Brewers are both town.

2) Gian is still an unknown but has role-claimed as a VT. If she was our third scum it would make sense why she is voting for iSoc (assuming he is scum) so that she could bus away.

3) iSoc is voting for Canik. If iSoc is scum it's pretty obvious why he would do so. Not only could it save him from being lynched if he manages to rally enough support but it would also look good for him if Canik came up as scum and he was voting for him.

 

If we assume that MedVed is actually a "Protector" (Doctor) then it means:

 

Town

Brewers

Robert

Medved

TW

 

Neutral

Gian

Wolfpacks

 

Probably Scum

iSoc

Canik

 

If we lynch iSoc today and he turns out to be scum, Canik should be next. If both turn out to be scum then we are in excellent shape.

[brewersalliance]

I think we need to start to plan for tonight.  TW needs to hide behind whomever medved is protecting.  as per the wiki, if their target dies as a result of an active killing action (e.g. a factional kill or Vigilante shot), the Hider will also die.

 

therefore if TW picks someone to hide behind amd they get killed, tw will also die, and town will lose the game.  Basically, medved would be protecting two people.

 

so basically, our "confirmed townies" are me and robert, so TW should hide behind one of us, and medved picks that person to protect

[Colonel Medved]

I think we need to start to plan for tonight.  TW needs to hide behind whomever medved is protecting.  as per the wiki, if their target dies as a result of an active killing action (e.g. a factional kill or Vigilante shot), the Hider will also die.

 

therefore if TW picks someone to hide behind amd they get killed, tw will also die, and town will lose the game.  Basically, medved would be protecting two people.

 

so basically, our "confirmed townies" are me and robert, so TW should hide behind one of us, and medved picks that person to protect

 

I'll protect you tonight brewers

[Robert2424]

Would be nice to know what you are brewers. If we do that mafia can attack whoever not being protected. But say he hits beind you brewers, medved happens to protect you also. Maifa happens to target you, we keep a townie alive.

[Robert2424]

I just reread that last post. Let me try that again where I don't fumble my words. If mafia knows who's being protected, they will shoot around whoever you say. There.

[Lord MK]

If three more townies die, town will reach LyLo tomorrow.

Vote Count

iSocialism (3): Robert2424, brewersalliance, GianMirell
Canik (2): Colonel Medved, iSocialism
The Warrior (0):
GianMirell (0):
Colonel Medved (0):
Wolfpacks (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Brewersalliance (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: The Warrior, GianMirell, Wolfpacks, Canik

with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is on Sunday, September 30th, 2018 at 12 am CN time

[brewersalliance]

Wait so that means there are only 2 scum?! Cause if there are three scum and 2 more die, that means it would be 3-3 with nothing preventing them from getting a majority so scum win. So the only way it's lylo if two townies die is if there are only 2 scum...

I just reread that last post. Let me try that again where I don't fumble my words. If mafia knows who's being protected, they will shoot around whoever you say. There.

Right but if we don't make sure TW is behind someone being protected scum could win the game if they hit the guy he is hiding behind and that guy isn't protected