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[Lord MK]

Okay, i like how iSoc is trying to divert everything on to me, whereas not so quick to leap on velocity. According to almost all the players alive, there is a scum between me and velocity.
No one, except me and velocity, should know who that is.
The fact that iSoc ignored that is making me that he knows who is the scum along me and velocity.

Well played, SBG

Vote: Velocity

[The Warrior]

Unofficial Vote Count

 

SeaBeeGipson (0): 

The Warrior (0):

Lord MK (0): 

iSocialism (1): Velocity

Velocity (2): SeaBeeGipson, Lord MK

 

 

Not Voting:  The Warrior, iSocialism

 

 

@iSoc - Who are you going to vote for?

[Colonel Medved]

Vote Count

 

SeaBeeGipson (0): 

The Warrior (0):

Lord MK (0): 

iSocialism (1): Velocity

Velocity (2): SeaBeeGipson, Lord MK

 

 

Not Voting:  The Warrior, iSocialism

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch or 2 at deadline.

Deadline is December 20th and 4:00pm CN

 

In danger of Mod-Kill: SeaBeeGipson (6 hours till 24 hour mark), Velocity (7 hours till 24 hour mark), iSocialism (7 hours till 24 hour mark)

[iSocialism]

It would only make sense

Vote SBG

[Colonel Medved]

Vote Count

 

SeaBeeGipson (1): iSocialism

The Warrior (0):

Lord MK (0): 

iSocialism (1): Velocity

Velocity (2): SeaBeeGipson, Lord MK

 

 

Not Voting:  The Warrior

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch or 2 at deadline.

Deadline is December 20th and 4:00pm CN

 

In danger of Mod-Kill: SeaBeeGipson (4 hours till 24 hour mark), Velocity (5 hours till 24 hour mark)

[SeaBeeGipson]

So, there we have it.

In case TW and MK were curious who is town and who is scum.
Read this

Velocity, Isoc, and myself are the only ones you question.
Velocity voted Isoc (scum turning on scum). If Isoc was town, scum could've jumped on him to end that wagon and the game. Problem is they both are scum.
I voted Velocity with MK, leaving him at L-1. Two towns on 1 scum.
Isoc voted me. - If Isoc was town, I know I'm town, they could've jumped on me to end the game. Problem is Isoc is scum, so he needs to lure a town.
The only person not voting is TW.
The Warrior, im confident is town because im confident Velocity and Isoc are our scums.

Ask yourself, out of the 5 of us remaining, who here is most likely to, despite almost EVERYONE saying not to, conduct a vig kill on N1?
why would said person, who is town, be on a wagon without scum jumping onto it? Unless of course the target is scum.

All town needs to win is The Warrior votes Velocity and Vigilante kills Isocialism.

 

[SeaBeeGipson]

If a town was ANYWHERE except on a scum right now, scum could win the game.
Two townies are in the vote because we have 3 town and only 1 person hasn't voted. 

 

[Velocity]

So, there we have it.

In case TW and MK were curious who is town and who is scum.
Read this

Velocity, Isoc, and myself are the only ones you question.
Velocity voted Isoc (scum turning on scum). If Isoc was town, scum could've jumped on him to end that wagon and the game. Problem is they both are scum.
I voted Velocity with MK, leaving him at L-1. Two towns on 1 scum.
Isoc voted me. - If Isoc was town, I know I'm town, they could've jumped on me to end the game. Problem is Isoc is scum, so he needs to lure a town.
The only person not voting is TW.
The Warrior, im confident is town because im confident Velocity and Isoc are our scums.

Ask yourself, out of the 5 of us remaining, who here is most likely to, despite almost EVERYONE saying not to, conduct a vig kill on N1?
why would said person, who is town, be on a wagon without scum jumping onto it? Unless of course the target is scum.

All town needs to win is The Warrior votes Velocity and Vigilante kills Isocialism.

What if you and MK are our remaining scum and you’re waiting for TW or another town to jump onto the train on me, this eliminating the final person needed for a scum win. Isoc has been quick to call you on your bluff to switch to MK, this is true, but why have you mentioned that bluff multiple times? It seems as if you could be trying to distance yourself from a MK, keep you away from being correlated to each other in the chance that one of you gets lynched, so the other stays free?

On my above post, one could argue that you both could jump onto my vote on isoc and win the game for you right now, but it also could be an even longer play in the game, or you’re scared that MK won’t be able to jump on in time before I could remove my vote on isoc. Thinking of that as I post this, I think I want to take my vote off again for a while, so nobody ends the game this quickly, before we have more time to work this out.

UNVOTE

[The Warrior]

I am thinking about asking the Vigilante to role claim right now and tell us everything they have done in the game so far. Obviously they killed someone on night 1. I want an explanation of why they targeted the person that they did. I then want to know whether they shot any other night or not, even though we asked them not to.

 

The Vigilante role claiming does give the scum access to our final power role but it could also end the game in town's favor for us right now.

 

If the Vigilante role claims one of two things will happen:

1) He will be the only person to claim Vigilante and we can be sure that he is indeed the Vigilante and we can eliminate that person as scum immediately.

OR

2) He claims Vigilante and a scum counter-claims Vigilante as well.

 

In the case that the second thing happens we will know for sure that there is scum between 1 of 2 people. That gives us a 50% shot at lynching someone correctly today and gives town a better chance to win this. We will be able to look back at all of the action of the day to see what actions the 2 claimed Vig's performed which should help us further increase our odds of lynching correctly.

 

The downside to the above is that if we pick the wrong person who claimed Vig to lynch today, then the scum will know who our Vig is to jail tonight and then they will kill and win. I would rather have the game in the town's hands today and increase our chances to hit scum right now then risk mislynching and leaving the game up to chance (of the Vig shooting scum at night and not being jailed).

 

What do you all think?

Deadline is just over 24 hours from now. Act soon so that we have enough time to make the final decision.

[The Warrior]

So no thoughts on that then?

[SeaBeeGipson]

If it's not you nor myself, it already answers it for me.

My only problem with trying to rely too heavily on that is option two where the scum counterclaims. I dont believe at this point we have much more time to poke around and dwell too deep into who claims what. I can say I'm a VT.

I believe if scum and vig target each other, they both die.

Is that correct? Colonel Medved

[Lord MK]

The only thing we need to get right here is to decide Who's the jailkeeper.
We Lynch that person, it's all game.

[SeaBeeGipson]

The only thing we need to get right here is to decide Who's the jailkeeper.
We Lynch that person, it's all game.

Not entirely. You cant jail AND kill. So they either die tonight or get lynched tomorrow

[Colonel Medved]

If it's not you nor myself, it already answers it for me.

My only problem with trying to rely too heavily on that is option two where the scum counterclaims. I dont believe at this point we have much more time to poke around and dwell too deep into who claims what. I can say I'm a VT.

I believe if scum and vig target each other, they both die.

Is that correct? Colonel Medved

If vigi and scum were to do that, then yes they would both die

[Lord MK]

The only thing we need to get right here is to decide Who's the jailkeeper.
We Lynch that person, it's all game.

Not entirely. You cant jail AND kill. So they either die tonight or get lynched tomorrow

Oh yeah, i didn't think of that.

[The Warrior]

Are you sure that the jailkeeper can't jail and kill on the same night?

 

@Medved - Is that correct?

[Velocity]

Are you sure that the jailkeeper can't jail and kill on the same night?

@Medved - Is that correct?

Wouldn’t that be two night actions? I don’t think that it’s possible they could?

[Colonel Medved]

Are you sure that the jailkeeper can't jail and kill on the same night?
 
@Medved - Is that correct?

Yes, one of the rules of the setup is that mafia power roles can either kill or use their power, not both.

[The Warrior]

Well that certainly helps us. If we lynch the goon then the mafia jailkeeper can't kill and jail someone. This would basically force the jailkeeper to try to jail our Vig instead of performing a night kill. Therefore if we correctly lynch scum today it will be 3 town vs 1 scum and the scum will NOT be able to win the game at night. This swings the game further in our favor as long as we lynch correctly today.

 

Here are the "groups" that we basically have left:

 

SBG and MK - Voting for Velocity

iSoc and Velocity - iSoc voting for SBG, Velocity voted for iSoc and then unvoted

Me (Town)

 

I have a feeling that I know who our town Vig is but it would guarantee it for me if that person would officially role claim and explain his actions and the reasoning for them in the game thus far.

 

We are 7.5 hours away from deadline and we need to lynch correctly today to almost guarantee a town win.

[Velocity]

Well I mean we could also wait it out and have me lynched at deadline, which would be good for scum since that takes out the remaining town they need gone, which brings us to 2-2 scum win. That’s not something I would recommend though, unless you are scum. I find it odd that they mention that the two scum would need a remaining townie to jump on both their votes and hammer somebody, or jump on a townies vote. But now we are here, with SBG and MK both voting on me, which could mean they’re waiting on a townie to jump in and hammer me, if they both end up being scum. If not, whoever the last scum is, you’re not being smart, not hammering me in right now and winning the game.