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[Rhizoctonia]

Yea the lynch over trial by combat was a very poor choice.  I'm just wondering if it was done on purpose or MK didn't really see about ending day early.  

 

My suspicion still lies on who I voted for D1, TW.

 

He was overly trying to act town D1 when no one knew anything, pushed the lynch of Isocialism who we know is town, and now wants Isocialism to reveal more information about himself that scum would enjoy knowing.  If Isocialism had anything to supply that's beneficial to town I'm sure he would, you hounding him about information and getting upset he won't tell you after you were a reason he got lynched in the first place is just as telling.

 

Vote:  TW

[Robert2424]

Nadarr, on 10 Jan 2019 - 00:28, said:

Do yall want to flat out lynck MK or send him to Trial by Combat?

I imagine most would rather lynch MK, Sister Midnight might want Trial by Combat more as she believes he might be a Jester. But there is a chance MK makes it out of Trial by Combat and is alive tomorrow. 

 

He's created a huge controversy now and doesn't honesty seem to care. 

[Nadarr]

Robert2424, on 10 Jan 2019 - 15:39, said:

 

Nadarr, on 10 Jan 2019 - 00:28, said:

Do yall want to flat out lynck MK or send him to Trial by Combat?

I imagine most would rather lynch MK, Sister Midnight might want Trial by Combat more as she believes he might be a Jester. But there is a chance MK makes it out of Trial by Combat and is alive tomorrow. 

 

He's created a huge controversy now and doesn't honesty seem to care. 

 

 

That makes sense. I have never done a mafia like this so I am slightly confused about how to play with a trial by combat. I might very well be wrong, but it honestly feels like MK is saying screw this game. I am starting to learn toward jester because of the havoc he is unleashing upon us. Either way, I feel like he is a good choice for today's FOS.

[The Warrior]

Rhizoctonia, on 10 Jan 2019 - 14:06, said:

Yea the lynch over trial by combat was a very poor choice.  I'm just wondering if it was done on purpose or MK didn't really see about ending day early.  

 

My suspicion still lies on who I voted for D1, TW.

 

He was overly trying to act town D1 when no one knew anything, pushed the lynch of Isocialism who we know is town, and now wants Isocialism to reveal more information about himself that scum would enjoy knowing.  If Isocialism had anything to supply that's beneficial to town I'm sure he would, you hounding him about information and getting upset he won't tell you after you were a reason he got lynched in the first place is just as telling.

 

Vote:  TW

I pushed for iSocialism yesterday because his response was very nonchalant in my opinion. If iSoc would have come out and responded by asking a single question.. of anyone.. other than basically saying "day 1 is all bullshit we can't learn anything anyway", I would have unvoted for him immediately. His response to me seemed like he didn't care about getting anyone to talk at all. Now, perhaps anything else that might have been said would have been more bullshit, but getting people to talk is the only thing we have to go off of on a day 1 where no lynch isn't an option.

 

As for today, I asked iSocialism a simple question about what happened last night. Maybe it's just me but I find it to be completely reasonable to ask a person that was lynched, was confirmed lynched by the game mod, and then was all of a sudden alive the next day, how they were still alive. The answer to that question IS important to the town. In my opinion, Game of thrones lore leaves open the possibility for this odd mechanic to be used in an anti-town way. As I pointed out, unless properly disposed of, a dead body can be resurrected by the Night King and converted to a white walker. If you know anything about Game of Thrones, which I think you do, you can see how that could equate to iSoc possibly being resurrected as an anti-town player. I think asking for more information from a now known townie is reasonable..

 

“I try to know as many people as I can. You never know which one you’ll need.”

 

Having said that, I stopped questioning iSoc after he made this post:

 

iSocialism, on 09 Jan 2019 - 13:45, said:

Vote MK

He knew he was putting me to lynch regardless if the day was going to end early. The objective was to lynch not trail by combat.

I don't think I have hinted at a new role, Investigating me won't do a whole lot either. It won't tell you why I'm "still alive for Pete sakes". This could have been a flavor in brewer's other game but we didn't lynch day one.

I'm alive not dead, the only thing to worry about is winning this game

 

 

In fact, several posts later I posted this in response to CM who continued pressing iSoc:

 

The Warrior, on 09 Jan 2019 - 17:02, said:

 

Lord MK, on 09 Jan 2019 - 10:07, said:

 

The Warrior, on 09 Jan 2019 - 06:06, said:

 

Lord MK, on 09 Jan 2019 - 04:11, said:

Was brewers serious though?

He killed iSoc and ended the day instantly.. I’d say he was serious.

But he resurrected him.
So it's everyone's fault.
.

And why is brewers playing?

Also, vote count please.
I want to see who else is being voted on.

 

I highly doubt Brewers resurrected iSoc as a way to makeup for the fact that he mod-killed him. It's highly more likely that it was part of the game design that the first player to be lynched would be resurrected as a way to fit the GoT narrative or the dead needing to be "burned" or they could be resurrected by the Night King.

 

iSocialism, on 09 Jan 2019 - 13:45, said:

Vote MK

He knew he was putting me to lynch regardless if the day was going to end early. The objective was to lynch not trail by combat.

I don't think I have hinted at a new role, Investigating me won't do a whole lot either. It won't tell you why I'm "still alive for Pete sakes". This could have been a flavor in brewer's other game but we didn't lynch day one.

I'm alive not dead, the only thing to worry about is winning this game

I agree with you. MK was completely reckless and doesn't seem to care.

 

Sister Midnight, on 09 Jan 2019 - 14:16, said:

If we lynch early we are making a very stupid mistake.

We should definitely NOT end the day early. More time only helps town. The only reason I haven't voted for MK yet myself is that I don't want an early lynch and he's already in line to be lynched at deadline.

 

Colonel Medved, on 09 Jan 2019 - 14:32, said:

 

iSocialism, on 09 Jan 2019 - 13:45, said:

Vote MK

He knew he was putting me to lynch regardless if the day was going to end early. The objective was to lynch not trail by combat.

I don't think I have hinted at a new role, Investigating me won't do a whole lot either. It won't tell you why I'm "still alive for Pete sakes". This could have been a flavor in brewer's other game but we didn't lynch day one.

I'm alive not dead, the only thing to worry about is winning this game

 

Your unwillingness to cooperate with town is unsettling. To win the game, you need information to aid you. You have decided to withhold the information about your revival and what that makes you, that leads me to believe that maybe you don't want to reveal it because you could have been made scum.

 

I'm not saying MK is in the right, i definitely am with everyone else on that he used it to end the day, and hammer vote you. But i don't see why the rest of town has to suffer due to it. If you are truly town, why wouldn't you want to give your fellow townies information to help win the game?

 

It could have been handled better but I am hoping that iSoc's above post is actually telling us what he knows. It is possible that he had no idea this would happen until Brewers presumably told him he was alive again in his role PM. In my mind there are two possibilities for what is happening:

 

1) iSoc is indeed town still and Brewers just used this 1-time mechanic as a GoT easter egg.

2) iSoc was resurrected as a member of the scum team which of course he wouldn't disclose to the town.

 

I'm willing to trust iSoc is town again for now. We'll see if it gets to the point that we need to lynch him again later to verify though.

That's hardly me pressing iSoc further for information. 

 

 

 

Robert2424, on 10 Jan 2019 - 15:39, said:

 

Nadarr, on 10 Jan 2019 - 00:28, said:

Do yall want to flat out lynck MK or send him to Trial by Combat?

I imagine most would rather lynch MK, Sister Midnight might want Trial by Combat more as she believes he might be a Jester. But there is a chance MK makes it out of Trial by Combat and is alive tomorrow. 

 

He's created a huge controversy now and doesn't honesty seem to care. 

The worst part about it is that even if he is town he probably doesn't care.

[Wolfpacks]

Maybe he doesn't know, maybe reanimation also means temporary memory loss and he won't know his role til the next day, it's only a guess but would explain his air of nonchalance.

[Robert2424]

It might be more selfish play then anything, but he doesn't seem to care what happens. 

[LordSunday]

Robert2424, on 10 Jan 2019 - 22:05, said:

It might be more selfish play then anything, but he doesn't seem to care what happens. 

 

This is MK in every single mafia game I've seen though... He gets put up to lynch for completely reasonable factors and immediately goes nuclear on how we're all the idiots. At this point I wouldn't be surprised with any result. He could be a jester sure, but this is so typical of him that he could easily be town at the same town. We all know he's lied about his role as a townie about to die before

[Lord MK]

LordSunday, on 10 Jan 2019 - 23:50, said:

Robert2424, on 10 Jan 2019 - 22:05, said:

It might be more selfish play then anything, but he doesn't seem to care what happens.

This is MK in every single mafia game I've seen though... He gets put up to lynch for completely reasonable factors and immediately goes nuclear on how we're all the idiots. At this point I wouldn't be surprised with any result. He could be a jester sure, but this is so typical of him that he could easily be town at the same town. We all know he's lied about his role as a townie about to die before

But this time, i am not going to go nuclear.
I am not going to try and save myself.
You guys already made up your mind.
I can't change that, if i can change people's minds, i would have been the president of my country by now.

[LordSunday]

Lord MK, on 11 Jan 2019 - 00:31, said:

 

LordSunday, on 10 Jan 2019 - 23:50, said:

 

Robert2424, on 10 Jan 2019 - 22:05, said:

It might be more selfish play then anything, but he doesn't seem to care what happens.

This is MK in every single mafia game I've seen though... He gets put up to lynch for completely reasonable factors and immediately goes nuclear on how we're all the idiots. At this point I wouldn't be surprised with any result. He could be a jester sure, but this is so typical of him that he could easily be town at the same town. We all know he's lied about his role as a townie about to die before

But this time, i am not going to go nuclear.
I am not going to try and save myself.
You guys already made up your mind.
I can't change that, if i can change people's minds, i would have been the president of my country by now.

 

 

Let me rephrase... We're at the curl up and give up stage... Because there's totally been no games ever where someone was a sure lynch and didn't get killed... Oh wait, I'm pretty sure that exact same thing happened before, to me in fact

 

I'd even go so far to say that situation was worse because there was literal evidence that screamed to lynch me and I still didn't get killed because I knew I was town and stuck to the truth. The fact you're giving up and are in simply a case of you need to drop one or two votes and you're fine yet you pout like this makes me think even more that you just want to be lynched and have some jester role.

[Wolfpacks]

MK must have some role as ive never seen him give up this easy

[The Warrior]

It usually happens when he's up against it and it's incredibly frustrating. Any reasonable person should try to defend themselves from a lynch. FFS if you are town, you owe it to the town to try to save yourself. Fucking role claim if you don't have any other choice and absolutely have to. Just try to help the town.

[LordSunday]

The Warrior, on 11 Jan 2019 - 16:54, said:

It usually happens when he's up against it and it's incredibly frustrating. Any reasonable person should try to defend themselves from a lynch. FFS if you are town, you owe it to the town to try to save yourself. Fucking role claim if you don't have any other choice and absolutely have to. Just try to help the town.

 

9/10 he'll claim a different role from the first time that is even less believable and then when he dies he'll have a role that's town but isn't either of the two roles he said.

 

@MK there's something to be said about trends. Most players here have came to expect this... If you actually put effort into showing you are town and stop going belly-up after you get more than 3 or 4 votes on you, you probably wouldn't end up lynched in most of these situations.

[Wolfpacks]

LordSunday, on 11 Jan 2019 - 17:15, said:

The Warrior, on 11 Jan 2019 - 16:54, said:

It usually happens when he's up against it and it's incredibly frustrating. Any reasonable person should try to defend themselves from a lynch. FFS if you are town, you owe it to the town to try to save yourself. Fucking role claim if you don't have any other choice and absolutely have to. Just try to help the town.

9/10 he'll claim a different role from the first time that is even less believable and then when he dies he'll have a role that's town but isn't either of the two roles he said.

@MK there's something to be said about trends. Most players here have came to expect this... If you actually put effort into showing you are town and stop going belly-up after you get more than 3 or 4 votes on you, you probably wouldn't end up lynched in most of these situations.

This

[KevinH]

Trial by combat was the next-best alternative to no-lynch.

 

Now that we are in Day 2, we need to start lynching.

 

Subjecting a candidate to a random chance doesn't give us much information.

 

(unless you believe in the "fate" determined by randomness)

[Robert2424]

@MK, are your quiting Mafia?

[Kverst]

KevinH, on 11 Jan 2019 - 20:18, said:

Trial by combat was the next-best alternative to no-lynch.

 

Now that we are in Day 2, we need to start lynching.

 

Subjecting a candidate to a random chance doesn't give us much information.

 

(unless you believe in the "fate" determined by randomness)

 

I agree, a lynch is needed. Especially since we don't have anyone coming forward with info and the mafia can run rampant so long as this goes on.

[The Warrior]

Can we get an updated vote count?

[Yehom]

Just read up the last 13 pages. Game has been chaos so far. What I can tell for now is that: 

 

- there is more than likely 2 enemy (no-townie) factions, can be 2 mafia's, can be 1 mafia and 1 SK, time will tell. 

- MK is acting suspect for sure, whatever he flops if he does get lynched, I'm interested in how SM is going to play out the rest of the game, because she is very soft-spokenly defending him, pointing out that MK could be a Jester is too easy

- TW has been very vocal as Rhizo has rightly pointed out, no sure what to make of it just now, doesn't help that iSoc turned up town the first time

- speaking of which, I can't quite make out what happened to iSoc during the night, could be a PR doing, but Brewers specifically told us that it was a one time thing, so I'm more leaning towards a modifier. However it still raises the question whether or not iSoc allegiance stayed town or not. 

 

By the way I would like to clarify one thing in advance: I do not watch Game of Thrones and thus do not know any references to the show. In case there are things that happen in this game that would make sense in from the shows perspective, please explain it to me like I'm a five year old

[Lord MK]

Yehom, on 12 Jan 2019 - 10:28, said:

Just read up the last 13 pages. Game has been chaos so far. What I can tell for now is that:

- there is more than likely 2 enemy (no-townie) factions, can be 2 mafia's, can be 1 mafia and 1 SK, time will tell.
- MK is acting suspect for sure, whatever he flops if he does get lynched, I'm interested in how SM is going to play out the rest of the game, because she is very soft-spokenly defending him, pointing out that MK could be a Jester is too easy
- TW has been very vocal as Rhizo has rightly pointed out, no sure what to make of it just now, doesn't help that iSoc turned up town the first time
- speaking of which, I can't quite make out what happened to iSoc during the night, could be a PR doing, but Brewers specifically told us that it was a one time thing, so I'm more leaning towards a modifier. However it still raises the question whether or not iSoc allegiance stayed town or not.

By the way I would like to clarify one thing in advance: I do not watch Game of Thrones and thus do not know any references to the show. In case there are things that happen in this game that would make sense in from the shows perspective, please explain it to me like I'm a five year old

The first thing is iSoc's death.
That's a white walker thingy.
There's a king called Night King who commands the dead.
So that mechanic resurrected iSoc.

[Rhizoctonia]

Yehom, on 12 Jan 2019 - 10:28, said:

Just read up the last 13 pages. Game has been chaos so far. What I can tell for now is that: 

 

- there is more than likely 2 enemy (no-townie) factions, can be 2 mafia's, can be 1 mafia and 1 SK, time will tell. 

- MK is acting suspect for sure, whatever he flops if he does get lynched, I'm interested in how SM is going to play out the rest of the game, because she is very soft-spokenly defending him, pointing out that MK could be a Jester is too easy

- TW has been very vocal as Rhizo has rightly pointed out, no sure what to make of it just now, doesn't help that iSoc turned up town the first time

- speaking of which, I can't quite make out what happened to iSoc during the night, could be a PR doing, but Brewers specifically told us that it was a one time thing, so I'm more leaning towards a modifier. However it still raises the question whether or not iSoc allegiance stayed town or not. 

 

By the way I would like to clarify one thing in advance: I do not watch Game of Thrones and thus do not know any references to the show. In case there are things that happen in this game that would make sense in from the shows perspective, please explain it to me like I'm a five year old

 

 

 

I am still hesitant as you mention that Isocialism is still town faction after being resurrected.  Seems some are upset with the idea of this modifier Brewers brought into it, I think it's quite unique in terms of mafia as it's something new.  It also adds some unknowns to the game, with not knowing if Isocialism got resurrected and remained as town, or he got brought back as a scum/SK, and if he got brought back and has his same role or a different one, or none at all.

 

I need to read back on what happened in the story in the timeframe this game is being played.  There are a few occasions in Game in Thrones where someone was killed or assumed dead and came back to life.  There's the idea of being brought back as a white walker, there's also the idea of Melisandre who worships the lord of the light, who in the story later on brought back John Snow from the dead.  Also, a character by name of Thoros of Myr resurrected Beric Dondarrion after the Hound killed him in season 3 of show.  But that happened in the 3rd book of the series, not Clash of Kings.

 

So the idea of people thought dead, being alive is a common thing in the series. 

 

Velocity, who was Davos Seaworth, I'd assume his scum partner's name is Stannis as they were together in the show.  It seems we have likely 2 scum factions in such a large game and 3 kills last night, so going from the books, I'd assume the other mafia scum is the Boltons, who with help of Theon Greyjoy destroyed Winterfell in Clash of Kings. 

 

I first thought, well with Isocialism alive, that he was resurrected and became a white walker (SK) in this game.  What makes me think likely not is there were already 3 night kills last night, so I'd assume we're looking at 2 scum factions and a SK.  I doubt he comes back as another SK as well, but maybe.  Hard to know for sure what faction Isocialism is, and I will continuously be cautious of Isocialism for that reason, and think it shouldn't be overlooked.  That being said, he could of been brought back as town and have a new role or same one, so don't think atm it's necessary he RC's in case he has night actions.