I’m honestly shocked that the game didn’t end with LS and Kverst dying. A 4th scum means that nearly 31% (4/13) of players were scum in this game. That is rather high. The only way to balance that in my opinion will be if the last scum is just a mafia goon. That would mean that there were two goons (vanilla scum members), a mafia traitor, and a mafia godfather. The Godfather obviously existed to counteract the two town cops (which was also surprising). The mafia goons probably existed because the mafia team was heavy to begin with.

 

With the roles we have seen so far, I don’t believe that we have any power roles left. Wolfpacks has claimed VT. I believe his powers are definitely vanilla. The question is whether he’s really a VT or a mafia goon. However, of everyone left I think our last scum is either going to be kitkat, velocity, or jazzy.

 

Kitkat did place the third vote for scum yesterday after SM and I so that is sort of a point in his favor (even though it could have also been a bussing attempt). Neither LordSunday nor Kverst (our two dead scum) voted yesterday. The only two others who did not vote were velocity and Wolfpacks.

 

@velocity and Wolfpacks - Any particular reason why neither of you voted yesterday?

probs just inactivity unfortunately........

What Kitkat said is right, I was busy with school last week, tests and such.

 

I just want to point something out. I believe that the remaining two scum at the time (Kverst and whoever else it is left) didn’t know that LS was part of their team, seeing as he was a scum traitor, note the use of traitor. It says on the mafia wiki, and I quote from the “traitors” role page.

 

“A Traitor is a member of the Mafia who is separate from the main contingent of the faction. Because it is not a member of the main contingent, it is not capable of talking to the other Mafiosi and cannot perform the factional kill.”

 

The remaining scum may have voted for him without knowing he was part of their team. In most cases the traitor is separate from the main mafia group, and they aren’t told if there’s a traitor at all, or who it is even less often. I don’t think that they knew who it was, or that one ever existed. While it is completely possible that the scum did know who it was and just didn’t vote or did and bus their traitor, I believe that they didn’t. I personally wouldn’t use the LS vote to try and get scum or town reads based on voting.

If you want to double verify what I quoted, here.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor

Vote Count

 

Velocity (0):

The Warrior (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Wolfpacks (1): Kitkat16

Jazzy95 (0):

 

 

Not Voting: Velocity, The Warrior, Wolfpacks, Jazzy95

 

In danger of mod-kill: The Warrior (1 Posts), Jazzy95 (1 Posts)

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch or 2 at deadline.

Deadline is Feburary 19th at 10:00AM CN

That is a good point. You are likely correct that the scum did not know about the traitor’s existence and could have voted for him without even trying to bus away.

I thought I had until I realised my mistake the night had begun, I still think Kitkat is the best vote for scum, it's just the way he latched on to the other probable town then mention SM had possible made him town without even investigating him

 

VOTE Kitkat

At this point it should be 4 town vs 1 scum so we have at least one mislynch left. KitKat is one of my top two suspects as well so I will probably vote for him before the deadline unless Jazzy or Velocity refuse to contribute.

Alright, seriously not too fussed if I get lynched here. I can assure you though that lynching me will do you absolutely no good at all. Once I flip town, please bear in mind Wolfpacks remains my #1 suspect, given that he's the one pushing to lynch me.

Vote Count

 

Velocity (0):

The Warrior (0):

Kitkat16 (1): Wolfpacks

Wolfpacks (1): Kitkat16

Jazzy95 (0):

 

 

Not Voting: Velocity, The Warrior, Jazzy95

 

In danger of mod-kill: Jazzy95 (1 Post)

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch or 2 at deadline.

Deadline is Feburary 19th at 10:00AM CN

Vote: Kitkat

Vote: Kitkat

Any particular reason or just jumping onto what Wolfpacks said and his vote?

Also @CM Wolfpacks did vote for Kitkat before you posted the most recent count.

Vote: Kitkat

I'd like to hear more of your reasoning for this as well. Just voting isn't good enough at this stage of the game. We need thoughts from everyone. We've got 40 minutes until deadline. Any input you can give above and beyond a simple vote would be appreciated.

 

Vote: Kitkat

Any particular reason or just jumping onto what Wolfpacks said and his vote?

Also @CM Wolfpacks did vote for Kitkat before you posted the most recent count.

 

 

Thanks for letting me know, i forgot to add that.

 

I'll be updating the game soon. Giving Jazzy a last chance to meet his post requirement.

Yea, I mean I don’t know what to add y’all.

 

I’m always a little suspicious of TW because of how he controls a game, but don’t have enough to go against him. Seems most people consider Kitkat or me to be scum and I know I’m not.

Ugh,

 

UNVOTE

 

I’d rather have the extra person and risk a kill tonight.

Final Vote Count

 

Velocity (0):

The Warrior (0):

Kitkat16 (2): Wolfpacks, Jazzy95

Wolfpacks (1): Kitkat16

Jazzy95 (0):

 

 

Not Voting: Velocity, The Warrior

 

Kitkat16, Shrimp & Potatoes (Vanilla Town) was lynched on Day 5

 

It is now Night 5, which will last until February 20th at 10:00AM CN or until all actions have been submitted.

 

Shrimp Fact #5: To attract fish, cleaning shrimp wave their white antennae and do a little dance. Several shrimp species, known as cleaners, safely venture inside the open mouths of fishes to remove bloodsucking parasites.

 

 

 

Jazzy95, Shrimp Sandwich (Non-Consecutive Town Tracker) was found eaten from N5

 

 

 

 

 

Day 6 Begins!

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Velocity (0):

The Warrior (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

 

Not Voting: Velocity, The Warrior, Wolfpacks

 

 

 

With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch or 1 at deadline.

Deadline is Feburary 22nd at 10:00AM CN

Alright, this is it fellas. We have two days to make the right decision. Let's take our time on this. There isn't any reason to rush a vote.

 

On one hand Wolfpacks has claimed VT already. On the other hand he also voted for KitKat first who ended up being town. Full disclosure though, I intended on voting for KitKat yesterday as well because he was one of my top suspects. I would have done so right before deadline if I didn't get called into a meeting at work that made me miss it.

 

Even though my role won't really help in any way, I'm going to role claim anyway because all cards need to be on the table. I am Shrimp Salad, a Vanilla Townie. This is the reason why I stated multiple times in the game that I didn't believe that we were playing a role madness game. As more VT's (and regular mafia goons) were revealed upon death, I assumed that we weren't going to have much PR help because I knew of course that I was also a VT.

 

I will post more in depth thoughts when I get a little bit more time at work today, but in the meantime I want to hear from both of you. Please share all your thoughts as well.

Alright, this is it fellas. We have two days to make the right decision. Let's take our time on this. There isn't any reason to rush a vote.

 

On one hand Wolfpacks has claimed VT already. On the other hand he also voted for KitKat first who ended up being town. Full disclosure though, I intended on voting for KitKat yesterday as well because he was one of my top suspects. I would have done so right before deadline if I didn't get called into a meeting at work that made me miss it.

 

Even though my role won't really help in any way, I'm going to role claim anyway because all cards need to be on the table. I am Shrimp Salad, a Vanilla Townie. This is the reason why I stated multiple times in the game that I didn't believe that we were playing a role madness game. As more VT's (and regular mafia goons) were revealed upon death, I assumed that we weren't going to have much PR help because I knew of course that I was also a VT.

 

I will post more in depth thoughts when I get a little bit more time at work today, but in the meantime I want to hear from both of you. Please share all your thoughts as well.

This is interesting, I believe that the final scum is a power role, since there apparently was two town trackers. Apparently it was a pair of cops and a pair of trackers for town, so I believe that the scum has a final power role, which is my final suspect. Yes, I am going to reveal my cards as well.

 

I am Shrimp Creole, a Town Tracker.

 

N1: I (Lachiton at the time) decided to track SM, who targeted Brewers 1.0.

 

N2: I (Lachiton at the time) decided to track SM once again, who targeted Rhizo

 

N3: I (since brewers wasn’t replacement long enough to make it to the night) decided to follow and track SM again, who targeted TW.

That might possibly why she said that she thought he was probably town

 

N4: I decided to track Jazzy, who targeted nobody.

I’m assuming that’s why he said he suspects TW but didn’t have enough to go off at him, he wasn’t able to track him that night. I’m assuming he tracked N1 and N3. I did say that I suspected him slightly, but that was because I decided that if Kitkat wasn’t the last scum that it has to be Wolfpacks, and I didn’t want to draw attention to myself from Wolfpacks by only suspecting him and Kitkat, since when Kitkat flipped town, he would be my only suspicion, but I also wanted to minimize the effect of me saying I suspect Jazzy by saying I suspect him less than Kitkat and Wolfpacks.

 

N5: I got a damning piece of evidence, and the reason I post this. I tracked Wolfpacks, due to my suspicion, and he targeted Jazzy, who coincidentally turned up dead the next day, today.

VOTE Velocity

 

I already role claimed before I even voted for KitKat, why would I have if I was a mafia scum, he also said he tracked me and i targeted Jazzy, once again I'll point you to my RC, btw jazzy voted with me if i was scum I would have chosen either TW or you Velocity.

Vote Count

 

 

Velocity (1): Wolfpacks

The Warrior (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

 

Not Voting: Velocity, The Warrior

 

 

 

With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch or 1 at deadline.

Deadline is Feburary 22nd at 10:00AM CN

VOTE Velocity

 

I already role claimed before I even voted for KitKat, why would I have if I was a mafia scum, he also said he tracked me and i targeted Jazzy, once again I'll point you to my RC, btw jazzy voted with me if i was scum I would have chosen either TW or you Velocity.

You say you would have chosen me or TW but what you say you would have done is now what you would do, if you were smart enough. Your RC of Vanilla Townie could be faked, although, it did make me suspect you less for a while, because of when you said it. You RC’d before voting for Kitkat, which would be a risky move for scum to pull. A Mafia Goon killing somebody would still show up as you targeting them.

 

Jazzy did vote with you, yes, but that doesn’t exactly mean he would work with what you said later, especially on the final day. If you killed me it would put attention to you, since I suspected you more than the others, since Kitkat flipped town my only remaining suspicion was you. You could have gone for TW, and I’m surprised you didn’t, you would’ve had me suspecting Jazzy.

 

It was a logical choice for you to hit the one who would draw the least suspicion to you, TW or Jazzy, and the one more likely to be a power role that could incrimate you, which was Jazzy, based on TW saying that he didn’t think that there were any power roles left.

 

I know that TW is town based on what SM said the day after she tracked him as a cop, and that Jazzy was town as well. It’s apmost impossible for him to not be. I know I’m town, there’s only one option left. It’s going to fall down to TW, because I feel like I need to do this now.

 

VOTE Wolfpacks

I am going to read back through the last couple days before making my decision which of you is lying. I am leaning one way right now but I want to be more sure first.

I was going to vote for you TW I thought you was playing the old double ploy pretending to be so town but underneath being scum, but Velocity made the fatal mistake saying he tracked me last night visiting Jazzy, a vanilla town cannot visit anyone their only power is their vote, if he hadnt had said that i probably would have been none the wiser, im not going to tell you how to vote but a town win is certain if you side with me.

I was going to vote for you TW I thought you was playing the old double ploy pretending to be so town but underneath being scum, but Velocity made the fatal mistake saying he tracked me last night visiting Jazzy, a vanilla town cannot visit anyone their only power is their vote, if he hadnt had said that i probably would have been none the wiser, im not going to tell you how to vote but a town win is certain if you side with me.

I had almost done the same thing as you, but I was certain that TW was town after I tracked SM and she said that she thought he was town the day after. You almost got me to believe that TW was the final scum though by claiming vanilla townie when you had absolutely no reason to. You may have been telling the truth about being vanilla, although I suspect that you were not, and are actually a power role, because me being tracker means that town had 5. It wouldn’t make sense for the final scum to not have another power role with 5 town power roles. Still, a basic mafia goon killing somebody would show up as targeting whoever they killed.

 

To TW now, I suggest that before you vote you state why you think that said person between us is scum, and allow them to lay a defense, unless you see it absolutely certain that they are the final scum.

There's no need to lay a defence, I've said everything I need to say, it's a case of whether you believe it or not, basically side with me town win side with you town lose, simples, unless we got TW wrong then creek without paddle comes to mind lol

There's no need to lay a defence, I've said everything I need to say, it's a case of whether you believe it or not, basically side with me town win side with you town lose, simples, unless we got TW wrong then creek without paddle comes to mind lol

If TW is the scum then he’s pulled a play I owe him drinks for, and I can’t even legally drink.

First off, it is impossible that I am the last scum. You have both voted for one another already. If I was the last scum I could have ended the game by immediately voting for either one of you which would have resulted in a mislynch and a scum win. So whichever of you actually is the other townie can rest easy knowing that you are not incorrect in your vote.

 

However, that unfortunately doesn't help me make the final decision. There are certain things about both of you that give me pause. I'll start with Wolfpacks.

 

Wolfpacks

-Wolfpacks was pretty inactive early on and I called him on it. I believe he claimed an internet issue was the cause. That very well could have been true but that wouldn't preclude him from being our last scum either.

-Wolfpacks did not cast a vote the night that two scum died. Granted, Kverst died from a mod-kill but WP did not vote for LordSunday either.

-Tried to discredit Kikat (a now known town) after he correctly identified me and Jazzy as town and Wolfpacks or Velocity as the last possible scum.

-Kitkat made known that he suspected Wolfpacks and voted for him.

-Wolfpacks' response to my question about him not voting was that he thought he had. That answer sort of leaves something to be desired.

-Wolfpacks then started the vote on Kitkat citing the reasoning above.

 

Velocity

-Velocity did not cast a vote the night that two scum died. Granted, Kverst died from a mod-kill but Velocity did not vote for LordSunday either.

-Velocity's response to my question about him not voting was that he was busy with school. That answer sort of leaves something to be desired as well but it's a little bit better than Wolfpack's reason.

-The biggest thing that concerns me about Velocity is if he is actually a scum tracker. He could have truly performed all of his claimed actions and then be using them to strengthen his case as a town tracker.

-There was already one town tracker, would there really be a second?

-Even though the majority of the town was VT's it seems like having two cops and two trackers would be slightly overpowering since the only real scum PR was a Godfather.

 

However, there are also a few points in Velocity's favor:

1. He stated that he believed there was at least one other town power role in the game on 2/16 when I personally didn't believe that there would be. If he is a town tracker then he was obviously hinting that he had a town power role.
2. Tried to call for more activity on 2/17 when no one had posted in over a day. Scum likely wouldn't mind the silence.
3. Questioned Jazzy for more information about his vote when he voted for Kitkat with no stated reasoning. Again, scum likely wouldn't hunt for that explanation if a townie was voting for a townie.
4. I clearly indicated my desire for the town to take their time voting today since we are in a do or die situation. Velocity's next post after mine was his role claim with all of his results. Even though he says he received a damning result on Wolfpacks the night before, he still did not vote for WP yet. Doing so could have possibly caused a knee-jerk reaction by me to vote right after him and mislynch Wolfpacks (if Wolfpacks is town) if I didn't slow things down to analyze the information.
5. It wasn't until after Wolfpacks first voted for Velocity that Velocity reciprocated with a vote. Town should not be interested in rushing a vote, especially on the last day.

 

@Velocity - What is your full role claim? Do you have a modifier?