Hey look, a Dem conspiracy thread.

 

Atleast this numbers juggling has some root in facts, unlike the asspulling we got from the Kraken >_>

 

 

Hey look, a Dem conspiracy thread.

Kentucky is very Republican. If they believe Mitch McConnell really didn't win re-election there, they should take it to court.

Was merely amused by a somewhat more founded basis instead of "they bussed in 3M illegals!" we kept hearing about in 2016/2017. And heck it is less about Kentucky and more about other places the ES&S voting machines got used

 

Which reminds me, I hear the army is going to confiscate the voting machines!

 

 

Which reminds me, I hear the army is going to confiscate the voting machines!

We vote on those electronic machines here in Nevada. As far as I know, it's all been legit. What I didn't like was the signature verification... they had me sign my name on a piece of glass, which came out as nothing like my real signature. This, combined with no requirement to show a valid identification, is more than enough for me to believe this election could have easily been fraudulent. This is not even touching the mail-in bullshit, which is an entirely wrong thing to do.

 

Nevada is a blue state... and I never believed Trump had an ice cube chance in hell to win here anyway.

To be fair, signature verification is sketchy at best, nobody keeps their's the same thruwout their life. Heck mine is losing strokes by the month

 

Yes identification, I don't mind that at all. It being wishy-washy about which can and can't count as one is the main issue people face, even when they move state and the new home has different rule-sets.

Agreed, signatures are a horrible was to identify someone. We had an issue at the company when the bank refused to accept the signature of an exec, because "it changed too much" compared to the originally submitted one. The helpful tip they gave in solving this debacle was that he should "try signing it more like the original" which they of course refused to show. In the end a rep had to come over and identify the guy face-to-face.

So while a dozen R senators and over a hundred R representatives want to "good faith" a hearing commision in so fathomed voting fraud, the President just comes out and asks/demands the Georgia SoS to "find votes" so that he actually wins GA's election.

 

How's Fox spinning this one? I am ready to be entertained...

 

 

How's Fox spinning this one? I am ready to be entertained...

Daytime hours Saturday and Sunday on Fox News are dominated by anti-Trump people. It's when morons like Arthel Neville, Chris Wallace, Judith Miller, and A.B. Stoddard get to showcase how anti-American they really are. When it gets to the level of nauseous, I flip it one channel to Forensic Files so I can hear a calming voice for a while.

 

I believe Trump made a fatal error by demanding those $2,000 checks before he signed that awful spending bill. It highlights all my warnings about him before he was elected, and proved how right I was when I said he would be great for jobs... but he's not a Conservative.

 

The election of 2020 needs an audit... so I am in favor of what Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are doing.

 

My current favorites for 2024 are Ron DeSantis and Kristi Noem.

So the deal is to ignore it all, got it.

IMO I like Biden 

IMO I like Biden 

I have known Joe Biden since I was 14 years old, and I have never liked him. Now you will get to know him for yourself.

This is it’s my opinion. There is really not correct answer to those questions.

 

 

So the deal is to ignore it all, got it.

What do you expect? A RINO in Georgia leaks a private phone call to the Washington Post and I suddenly turn Communist?

 

Never gonna happen.

 

The big question would be... How does this effect Belgium? 

So the deal is to ignore it all, got it.

 

Ignoring treason is so much easier than admitting you backed the wrong guy after all.

 

 

Ignoring treason is so much easier than admitting you backed the wrong guy after all.

FOX!!! I have missed you so much!

 

There is nothing treasonous about exposing voter fraud, and that's what they're doing. I don't think it's gonna change anything, but it will make it a lot harder to do it again.

 

But framing a President for treason is treasonous. Remember John Durham is the Special Council now. My guess is he's doing his job.

 

So the deal is to ignore it all, got it.

What do you expect? A RINO in Georgia leaks a private phone call to the Washington Post and I suddenly turn Communist?

 

Never gonna happen.

 

The big question would be... How does this effect Belgium? 

 

 

That "RINO" got not only backed by Trump in his election but also shoved under the bus when Trump didn't get what he wanted. Stop calling GOP members RINO when you yourself agree that Trump isn't a Conservative...

 

Why would you need to be a communist to be against Trump's phonecall (you know, the one thay started taping from a one-party consent state) that clearly indicates that Trump doesn't even care about possible voter fraud. If he did he wouldn't have asked for the amount of votes to make him win Georgia with 1 extra vote to his name (heck he obviously knows his loss amount, thats clear!)

 

You would be a much venerated PATRIOT if you actually acknowledged Trump failed and possible seditious bid to subvert a states valid and twice validated election!

 

Why should it directly affect Belgium if your current sitting President asks for votes to be tallied towards him so he could win something he lost? I dunno, stability of the worlds largest and most powerfull nation usually affects all...

 

 

 

So the deal is to ignore it all, got it.

 

Ignoring treason is so much easier than admitting you backed the wrong guy after all.

 

 

It is sedition actually. And blindness is the hallmark of mankind sadly

 

 

Ignoring treason is so much easier than admitting you backed the wrong guy after all.

FOX!!! I have missed you so much!

 

There is nothing treasonous about exposing voter fraud, and that's what they're doing. I don't think it's gonna change anything, but it will make it a lot harder to do it again.

 

But framing a President for treason is treasonous. Remember John Durham is the Special Council now. My guess is he's doing his job.

 

You had over 50 judges (from all previous presidency's including the current one) throw out all legal steps they tried to take while having zero evidence.

 

oooo Durham, he is like 2 years late by now no? >_>

The big question would be... How does this effect Belgium?

Well, trade policy is a big one, and it doesn't just effect Belgium, but the entire EU. Businesses on both sides are looking forward to finally being able to move past the Trumpian trade wars and a toxic customs policy.

That "RINO" got not only backed by Trump in his election but also shoved under the bus when Trump didn't get what he wanted. Stop calling GOP members RINO when you yourself agree that Trump isn't a Conservative...

Donald Trump is not a Conservative, but he is a Republican. Joe Manchin is not a Progressive, but he is a Democrat. I really don't need your permission to call it out. Brad Raffensperger has destroyed himself. That is all that was accomplished from his actions.

 

Currently half of the USA believes the election was rigged. There are mountains of evidence, and sworn testimony that support the charge. That's a really big problem, and the issue must be addressed. Ignoring it on the grounds of standing will not work. They have to prove that they did not rig the election. The sooner this happens, the better.

 

The big question would be... How does this effect Belgium?

Well, trade policy is a big one, and it doesn't just effect Belgium, but the entire EU. Businesses on both sides are looking forward to finally being able to move past the Trumpian trade wars and a toxic customs policy.

 

 

Sure the misplaced protectionism is a hamper on trade (and lets ignore the farmer socialism >_>) but it is more the fickleness that truely is the issue for the world.

 

 

 

That "RINO" got not only backed by Trump in his election but also shoved under the bus when Trump didn't get what he wanted. Stop calling GOP members RINO when you yourself agree that Trump isn't a Conservative...

Donald Trump is not a Conservative, but he is a Republican. Joe Manchin is not a Progressive, but he is a Democrat. I really don't need your permission to call it out. Brad Raffensperger has destroyed himself. That is all that was accomplished from his actions.

 

Currently half of the USA believes the election was rigged. There are mountains of evidence, and sworn testimony that support the charge. That's a really big problem, and the issue must be addressed. Ignoring it on the grounds of standing will not work. They have to prove that they did not rig the election. The sooner this happens, the better.

 

Donald Trump is Donald Trump, the guy would change whatever ideology he has his $$ on in a heartbeat if it suits his thoughts (not plans, the guy can't think a day ahead...).

 

Half the US can believe what it wants, atleast thats what I got from the 2016 election and yelling from the RNC about it...

 

Believing it doesn't make it true thou, and once again all that "mountains of evidence" and "sworn testimony" not only got trashed into the piling heap of hot air that it actually is, the judiciary isn't even entertaining these more then 1 hearing before throwing them out for the garbage that they are.

 

But truely this takes the cake:

 They have to prove that they did not rig the election

 

Do you even understand the ludricousness of this? Heck if you want to go down this path, please prove that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 Election (hot tip, the GOP Senate agrees they did interfere!).

Donald Trump is Donald Trump, the guy would change whatever ideology he has his $$ on in a heartbeat if it suits his thoughts

I don't know where this comes from. Trump never even took a salary.

He's never been a Wall Street guy. He made his money in Real Estate.

(not plans, the guy can't think a day ahead...).

Joe Biden can't think at all.

Believing it doesn't make it true thou, and once again all that "mountains of evidence" and "sworn testimony" not only got trashed into the piling heap of hot air that it actually is, the judiciary isn't even entertaining these more then 1 hearing before throwing them out for the garbage that they are.

They are not looking at the evidence. States are in charge of their elections. That's why they have no standing in court. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with how the states ran their elections, and the problems must be addressed, and rectified.

Do you even understand the ludricousness of this? Heck if you want to go down this path, please prove that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 Election (hot tip, the GOP Senate agrees they did interfere!).

Russia has always interfered in our elections. Who ever said they don't?

 

Was the election rigged? From everything I know, and everything I have seen... Yes it was.

Was it enough to alter the results? Yes it was.

Will the election be overturned? No, it will not be.

Should we just ignore it? Absolutely not.

Should people go to jail and face fines for rigging the election? Absolutely.

 

Why am I having to explain my thinking to a Belgian? Because I'm a nice guy.

 

That "RINO" got not only backed by Trump in his election but also shoved under the bus when Trump didn't get what he wanted. Stop calling GOP members RINO when you yourself agree that Trump isn't a Conservative...

Donald Trump is not a Conservative, but he is a Republican. Joe Manchin is not a Progressive, but he is a Democrat. I really don't need your permission to call it out. Brad Raffensperger has destroyed himself. That is all that was accomplished from his actions.

 

Currently half of the USA believes the election was rigged. There are mountains of evidence, and sworn testimony that support the charge. That's a really big problem, and the issue must be addressed. Ignoring it on the grounds of standing will not work. They have to prove that they did not rig the election. The sooner this happens, the better.

 

 

I've seen evidence of some attempted election fraud, I don't watch fox news so many of the instances I've seen have been in favor of Trump, or has been his own actions attempting to leverage state officials before and after the election to alter the results of the election in their states in his favor. I don't doubt that both sides did it to greater or lesser extents but many of the claims I've seen from the right about dems committing voter fraud have been tin foil hat conspiracy theories based on nothing but delusions. 

 

 

 

Donald Trump is Donald Trump, the guy would change whatever ideology he has his $$ on in a heartbeat if it suits his thoughts

I don't know where this comes from. Trump never even took a salary.

He's never been a Wall Street guy. He made his money in Real Estate.

(not plans, the guy can't think a day ahead...).

Joe Biden can't think at all.

Believing it doesn't make it true thou, and once again all that "mountains of evidence" and "sworn testimony" not only got trashed into the piling heap of hot air that it actually is, the judiciary isn't even entertaining these more then 1 hearing before throwing them out for the garbage that they are.

They are not looking at the evidence. States are in charge of their elections. That's why they have no standing in court. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with how the states ran their elections, and the problems must be addressed, and rectified.

Do you even understand the ludricousness of this? Heck if you want to go down this path, please prove that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 Election (hot tip, the GOP Senate agrees they did interfere!).

Russia has always interfered in our elections. Who ever said they don't?

 

Was the election rigged? From everything I know, and everything I have seen... Yes it was.

Was it enough to alter the results? Yes it was.

Will the election be overturned? No, it will not be.

Should we just ignore it? Absolutely not.

Should people go to jail and face fines for rigging the election? Absolutely.

 

Why am I having to explain my thinking to a Belgian? Because I'm a nice guy.

 

 

 

Trump didn't take the salary but he sure lined his pockets the entire way with government spending. The secret service paid millions of dollars to Trump businesses in order to be able to protect him at Mar-o-lago and his tower in New York. US Air force personal were directed to stay in a suite at a trump property in the UK when they stopped there as a half way point on their trips out to the middle east. He never divested so he directly profited from the presidency in a major way. The 400,000 salary of a president pales in comparison to what he made. 

 

As far as having to explain "to a Belgian". You've made a few comments like this over the years that I've seen, and every time it bothers me to be honest. You are choosing to discuss American politics on the forum of an international community. People who live in other countries are not prohibited from participating in this conversation. Their perspective should be a welcome addition to the conversation. Many Americans lack an understanding of the global effects our nations policies and stability have. We can argue back and forth about what trump has and hasn't done for our own country, but his effect on the rest of the world has been profoundly negative.

 

Ignoring treason is so much easier than admitting you backed the wrong guy after all.

FOX!!! I have missed you so much!

 

There is nothing treasonous about exposing voter fraud, and that's what they're doing. I don't think it's gonna change anything, but it will make it a lot harder to do it again.

 

But framing a President for treason is treasonous. Remember John Durham is the Special Council now. My guess is he's doing his job.

 

 

I missed you too man. 

 

The call was not a frame job. He called them, he threatened them and told them to find enough votes for him to win. In the call he violated 52 U.S Code 20511.

 

If anyone here has credible evidence of significant election fraud they should call up Trump's lawyers since they have yet to win a single case.

 

 

It is sedition actually. And blindness is the hallmark of mankind sadly

 

 

By definition its actually both because Biden and his members of government would be overthrown by Trump's attempt at fraud 

But truely this takes the cake:

 They have to prove that they did not rig the election

Do you even understand the ludricousness of this? Heck if you want to go down this path, please prove that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 Election (hot tip, the GOP Senate agrees they did interfere!).

 

It's the burden of proof rabbit hole. The reason why human society can function more or less is because the burden of proof almost always lies with the claimant (IMO that should ALWAYS be the case without exception, but that's wishful thinking). Had the reverse been true, society would immediately break down. In fact, disfunctions always arise arise when some demand proof of an accusation NOT being true, e.g. "NASA should prove that they DIDN'T fake the Moon landing", "prove that you are NOT racist", etc.

 

In other news, it seems that the Republicans will lose the two senate seats. They can blame Trump for that.

 

 

In other news, it seems that the Republicans will lose the two senate seats.

Yes, it does. Congratulations. I knew how it would come out as soon as I saw DeKalb County holding back their count.

Now everything will fall on the back of Joe Manchin of West Virginia... I wonder how much he wants to be in the history books?

 

Heading into some very uncertain times. Tomorrow I dump my stocks, pay off my other house, buy two new guns, and I'm going dark for awhile. I will return when I know my family is safe. I'm not leaving the game, so you lose on that one. Good luck my friends.

 

In other news, it seems that the Republicans will lose the two senate seats.

Yes, it does. Congratulations. I knew how it would come out as soon as I saw DeKalb County holding back their count.

Now everything will fall on the back of Joe Manchin of West Virginia... I wonder how much he wants to be in the history books?

 

Heading into some very uncertain times. Tomorrow I dump my stocks, pay off my other house, buy two new guns, and I'm going dark for awhile. I will return when I know my family is safe. I'm not leaving the game, so you lose on that one. Good luck my friends.

 

All right, we'll be here if you need us. See you on the other side!