While the topic of the day is of course COVID-19, the 2020 US presidential elections are fast approaching. I've created a topic to discuss anything related to that, and to update as events unfold.

 

So, it's still early days, what are everyone's thoughts? What topic will dominate the discussions? (IMO: the Economy and jobs, all the way) Who will be Biden's VP nominee? (My guess: Amy Klobuchar) Will the elections be close? (IMO: Incredibly, Biden is a much more palatable candidate for many than Hillary Clinton), etc.

 

Also, KEEP IT RESPECTFUL. The point is not to win a debate, but to share your point of view.

Perhaps before you flee

I never run... I prepare.

 

Now you know why I said they must prove they didn't rig the election. It's not a legal issue... it's hearts and minds. They have to understand why Trump lost the election, when all the facts do not make any sense. I knew something like this was going to happen. Now a 16 year old girl is shot dead in the people's house... she wasn't even old enough to vote.

 

It's far from over, but it's over for Trump. We won't nominate him again, but state elections will be getting an overhaul.

 

For the record, I was not there. I'm glad I wasn't. I'm too old to get that angry over politics.

 

Edit: Reports of her as 16 years old are wrong... she was a 14 year military Vet. Does not make it any better.

 

Perhaps before you flee

I never run... I prepare.

 

Now you know why I said they must prove they didn't rig the election. It's not a legal issue... it's hearts and minds. They have to understand why Trump lost the election, when all the facts do not make any sense. I knew something like this was going to happen. Now a 16 year old girl is shot dead in the people's house... she wasn't even old enough to vote.

 

It's far from over, but it's over for Trump. We won't nominate him again, but state elections will be getting an overhaul.

 

For the record, I was not there. I'm glad I wasn't. I'm too old to get that angry over politics.

 

Edit: Reports of her as 16 years old are wrong... she was a 14 year military Vet. Does not make it any better.

 

 

They did prove that the election was not rigged in Georgia, they chased every crazy theory and nothing came from it. The burden of proof is now on the folks who keep coming up with new theories every day. This is people not accepting that their guy lost.

Buddy they proved nothing. Everyone believes they just recounted the fraud all over again. That won't work.

 

That girl was shot as she was climbing through a window. I have a strong feeling this will not go unanswered.

Buddy they proved nothing. Everyone believes they just recounted the fraud all over again. That won't work.

 

That girl was shot as she was climbing through a window. I have a strong feeling this will not go unanswered.

 

How did they not prove it? How does "everyone" believe that they just recounted fraud again? The officials confirmed the vote, there is no evidence that there is fraud. Tell me what literally everyone knows yet cant prove? Was it a crack team comprised of Big foot, wendigos and the Chupacabra who snuck in the fraud ballots?

 

The fact is no matter how much someone suspects something doesn't prove it happened. For election fraud at the level it would have been impossible to hide, yet here we are months later with nothing but conspiracy theories and crazy people assaulting the capitol. 

 

 

there is no evidence that there is fraud.

All lawsuits filed have been immediately dismissed for lack of standing. No evidentiary hearings ever happened. So, saying there is no "evidence" is a lie. The evidence has never been heard in any court of law. The issue most disturbing doesn't have anything to do with illegal voting itself... the most disturbing issue is Governors and Secretaries of State, on their own accord, creating all new ways to hold their elections when they have no Constitutional power to do so. This power is in the hands of the State Legislatures.

 

In reality, their entire elections were illegal. In my opinion, overturning this election would cause more harm than good, but after what happened yesterday... none of it matters now. Trump called a rally, and some bad people came to destroy it. It's his fault it happened, and the political career of Donald Trump is over. He overreached and has lost way too much of his support.

 

 

How did they not prove it? How does "everyone" believe that they just recounted fraud again?

Because a recount doesn't eliminate illegal votes... you just count it all over again. There were at least 40,000 people that voted twice in Nevada. It's an issue I wrote about on these pages months ago, long before the election. Those double votes were counted, and never removed. That is just one of the illegal voting issues that occurred here. I'm not calling for the election to be overturned. I don't like riots... but elections going forward have to change.

There is no truth to the rumor that the shirtless horned helmet guy is me.

Shirtless man in horned helmet at Capitol protest identified | Fox News

Gavin Newsome frustrated Elon Musk out of California, and he now lives in Texas.

He passed Jeff Bezos, and is now the richest man on Earth.

185 Billion Dollars!!! What the hell would you do with all that money? My guess is he'll take us to Mars.

Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world, passing Jeff Bezos (cnbc.com)

Gavin Newsome frustrated Elon Musk out of California, and he now lives in Texas.

He passed Jeff Bezos, and is now the richest man on Earth.

185 Billion Dollars!!! What the hell would you do with all that money? My guess is he'll take us to Mars.

Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world, passing Jeff Bezos (cnbc.com)

 

He claims half of his fortune is for him, and half is to establish the Mars colony which will protect us from meteor disaster / our own fuck uppery. (I mean... who wouldn't buy their own planet!)

 

 

(I mean... who wouldn't buy their own planet!)

The biggest finger would be to buy California... but he's too smart to assume their debt. 

 

(I mean... who wouldn't buy their own planet!)

The biggest finger would be to buy California... but he's too smart to assume their debt. 

 

 

If you treated it as a business you'd need to have tens of trillions to buy it!

 

Perhaps before you flee

I never run... I prepare.

 

Now you know why I said they must prove they didn't rig the election. It's not a legal issue... it's hearts and minds. They have to understand why Trump lost the election, when all the facts do not make any sense. I knew something like this was going to happen. Now a 16 year old girl is shot dead in the people's house... she wasn't even old enough to vote.

 

It's far from over, but it's over for Trump. We won't nominate him again, but state elections will be getting an overhaul.

 

For the record, I was not there. I'm glad I wasn't. I'm too old to get that angry over politics.

 

Edit: Reports of her as 16 years old are wrong... she was a 14 year military Vet. Does not make it any better.

 

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Still not explaining to this poor and clueless Belgian, please share your "facts" or "evidence" of election/voting shenanigans.

 

At a point you just have to stop trying to sway a person who doesn't want to look at the actual evidence and proverbially smell the roses. Also "feelings"? What is this then?

 

And what would you change in state election rules? Will this be federally mandated?

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That girl was shot as she was climbing through a window. I have a strong feeling this will not go unanswered.

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That girl was directly ignoring Capitol police and likely entering the place they sheltered congressional members in during the evac.

 

That woman, that mother, that vet, she got killed during an invasion of your epitomy of Democracy, likely while completly believing all the lies spewed forward not just from all the MAGA's but from Trump himself.

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there is no evidence that there is fraud.

All lawsuits filed have been immediately dismissed for lack of standing. No evidentiary hearings ever happened. So, saying there is no "evidence" is a lie. The evidence has never been heard in any court of law. The issue most disturbing doesn't have anything to do with illegal voting itself... the most disturbing issue is Governors and Secretaries of State, on their own accord, creating all new ways to hold their elections when they have no Constitutional power to do so. This power is in the hands of the State Legislatures.

 

In reality, their entire elections were illegal. In my opinion, overturning this election would cause more harm than good, but after what happened yesterday... none of it matters now. Trump called a rally, and some bad people came to destroy it. It's his fault it happened, and the political career of Donald Trump is over. He overreached and has lost way too much of his support.

 

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All "lack of standing" lawsuits were done in the wrong state. Like complaining about Newsome's election from Nevada will make anything happen.

 

All the same-state lawsuits got hearings and most were thrown out at the same day due to having NOTHING substantive (lets ignore all the "feelings"-affidits). Also remember that you have to file your evidence BEFORE the actual hearing!

 

No Constitutional powers to run state elections? For fucks sake the Constitution delegates the very rules of the elections to the states themselfes! Heck all "changes" that happended and MAGA's are barking about either happended several cycles ago OR were approved by legislative action.

 

Trump has basically lost zero support, he just never had a big portion of the GOP following him except when they wanted something. MAGA's are the fringe like the TeaParty was, but sure it can fracture your party with how some congressional members bought into the whole deal.

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How did they not prove it? How does "everyone" believe that they just recounted fraud again?

Because a recount doesn't eliminate illegal votes... you just count it all over again. There were at least 40,000 people that voted twice in Nevada. It's an issue I wrote about on these pages months ago, long before the election. Those double votes were counted, and never removed. That is just one of the illegal voting issues that occurred here. I'm not calling for the election to be overturned. I don't like riots... but elections going forward have to change.

 

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No double voters were found in Nevada. Please also link to your previous voiced issues with possible double voters.

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Gavin Newsome frustrated Elon Musk out of California, and he now lives in Texas.

He passed Jeff Bezos, and is now the richest man on Earth.

185 Billion Dollars!!! What the hell would you do with all that money? My guess is he'll take us to Mars.

Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world, passing Jeff Bezos (cnbc.com)

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As with all $$-wealth of stock holding persons, they aren't worth that completly cause it would tank the minute they started selling.

 

Speaking of stocks, seems the trade market is fine no?

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He claims half of his fortune is for him, and half is to establish the Mars colony which will protect us from meteor disaster / our own fuck uppery. (I mean... who wouldn't buy their own planet!)

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Unsure how a colony on Mars would keep us safe from meteor's... Should go to Jupiter for that

 

 

No Constitutional powers to run state elections? For fucks sake the Constitution delegates the very rules of the elections to the states themselfes!

Glad to hear you admit you are the poor clueless Belgian.

 

We have the US Constitution that reserves the power of elections to the states. Every state has their own State Constitution. So the individual state officials broke their own State Constitutions to change their election procedure, and used Covid-19 as the reason. They do not... under any circumstances... have the Constitutional power to alter their election procedures. This power is solely the charge of the State Legislature, and consent of the people... which means we have to vote on it. Understand now?

Because a recount doesn't eliminate illegal votes... you just count it all over again. There were at least 40,000 people that voted twice in Nevada. It's an issue I wrote about on these pages months ago, long before the election. Those double votes were counted, and never removed. That is just one of the illegal voting issues that occurred here. I'm not calling for the election to be overturned. I don't like riots... but elections going forward have to change.

 

 

No they did not. 

 

 

 

All lawsuits filed have been immediately dismissed for lack of standing. No evidentiary hearings ever happened. So, saying there is no "evidence" is a lie. The evidence has never been heard in any court of law. The issue most disturbing doesn't have anything to do with illegal voting itself... the most disturbing issue is Governors and Secretaries of State, on their own accord, creating all new ways to hold their elections when they have no Constitutional power to do so. This power is in the hands of the State Legislatures.   In reality, their entire elections were illegal. In my opinion, overturning this election would cause more harm than good, but after what happened yesterday... none of it matters now. Trump called a rally, and some bad people came to destroy it. It's his fault it happened, and the political career of Donald Trump is over. He overreached and has lost way too much of his support.

 

 

That isn't true either. There are literal court records, you can check for yourself.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/20b114b5-5419-493b-9923-a918a2527931

 

Also amazing that they only looked for corruption in states that Biden won, its almost like this entire thing is bullshit.

 

 

No they did not.   

I was unaware that you lived in Las Vegas... I do too.

I guess you know as well as I do how the election went here in Nevada. I'll share my experience and we'll compare.

 

Election Day!

My wife and I grab our 93 year old Air Force Veteran and go off to vote.

We get there and find a line of about 300 people waiting.

We get in line and a very helpful poll worker escorts us to the front because we are with an elderly gentleman. How nice.

 

I come up to the desk and there is a girl there named Kim. Now she looks like she just left a liberal arts class.

I said "Hello Kim... I'm Blah Blah" and I showed her my ID.

 

She wouldn't look at my ID and immediately demanded that I surrender the mail-in ballot she claims was sent to me.

I said "Well Kim... did I ask you to send me a ballot?"... She said  "No"... I then said "If I didn't ask you to send me a ballot, what makes you think I would bring it in here and give it to you?"... She said "We're supposed to ask for it"

 

I then said "You're supposed to ask for it so you can hand it back there to Reggie so he can fill it out, am I right?"... she said "Never mind, sign the glass"... I said "My Nevada State Driver License isn't good enough?"... She said "It's not required, sign the glass"... I pick up a stick and literally scribble on it... "Is that good for you?"... She said "Perfect" and gave me my ballot.

 

Was your experience as enlightening as mine? Yes my friend... massive voter fraud.

 

 

you can check for yourself.

Thanks for that... do you really think I'll pay them to read it? 

 

 

its almost like this entire thing is bullshit.

Amazing we agree... the entire thing is bullshit. 

 

 

Thanks for that... do you really think I'll pay them to read it? 

 

 

The court documents are free and can be found easily on the local government websites. The Website I linked was ease of access.

 

 

 

I was unaware that you lived in Las Vegas... I do too. I guess you know as well as I do how the election went here in Nevada. I'll share my experience and we'll compare.   Election Day! My wife and I grab our 93 year old Air Force Veteran and go off to vote. We get there and find a line of about 300 people waiting. We get in line and a very helpful poll worker escorts us to the front because we are with an elderly gentleman. How nice.   I come up to the desk and there is a girl there named Kim. Now she looks like she just left a liberal arts class. I said "Hello Kim... I'm Blah Blah" and I showed her my ID.   She wouldn't look at my ID and immediately demanded that I surrender the mail-in ballot she claims was sent to me. I said "Well Kim... did I ask you to send me a ballot?"... She said  "No"... I then said "If I didn't ask you to send me a ballot, what makes you think I would bring it in here and give it to you?"... She said "We're supposed to ask for it"   I then said "You're supposed to ask for it so you can hand it back there to Reggie so he can fill it out, am I right?"... she said "Never mind, sign the glass"... I said "My Nevada State Driver License isn't good enough?"... She said "It's not required, sign the glass"... I pick up a stick and literally scribble on it... "Is that good for you?"... She said "Perfect" and gave me my ballot.   Was your experience as enlightening as mine? Yes my friend... massive voter fraud.

 

 

Your experience proves nothing. Now if this happened and people found out their votes weren't counted that would be one thing, but a bad experience with a poll worker isnt evidence. If you are curious you and your family can look it up here https://www.nvsos.gov/votersearch/

None of this matters Fox. Nothing can be changed. I'm not trying to prove anything.

I write on these pages to give you something to think about. I like that you write things to give me something to think about.

Some people just write things here to shit all over what I write with nothing to think about at all. Ignore them.

We're not going to change minds here, but we can at least share our thoughts. 

I heard that Joe Biden became outraged because they wouldn't invoke the 25th Amendment.

He slammed his fist on the table and declared he would invoke the 25th Amendment on day one.

 

No Constitutional powers to run state elections? For fucks sake the Constitution delegates the very rules of the elections to the states themselfes!

Glad to hear you admit you are the poor clueless Belgian.

 

We have the US Constitution that reserves the power of elections to the states. Every state has their own State Constitution. So the individual state officials broke their own State Constitutions to change their election procedure, and used Covid-19 as the reason. They do not... under any circumstances... have the Constitutional power to alter their election procedures. This power is solely the charge of the State Legislature, and consent of the people... which means we have to vote on it. Understand now?

 

States don't have their election laws in their State Constitution, unless you call their entire lawbook an constitution...

 

But what they do have in their States Cnstitution is the set of rules and powers each member and post of their political adinistration has, which either (or both) the governers/SoS's or the states legislation used to change or adjust their election laws (even without Covid related adjustments). Heck most of these "alterations" happened months to years prior to even Covid being a thing, let alone them being done by back-designated RINO's.

 

You make it sounds like they couldn't even open an extra polling place without at minimum a referendum. You seem to be clueless...

 

 

Heck most of these "alterations" happened months to years prior to even Covid being a thing

Nevada has never had an election by mail. The Governor of Nevada cannot, on his own volition, authorize the mailing of a ballot out to every breathing Nevada resident. He did not have that power, and Covid doesn't grant him that power. It was an illegal election. 

None of this matters Fox. Nothing can be changed. I'm not trying to prove anything.

I write on these pages to give you something to think about. I like that you write things to give me something to think about.

Some people just write things here to shit all over what I write with nothing to think about at all. Ignore them.

We're not going to change minds here, but we can at least share our thoughts. 

 

This is where we disagree. While I agree we should be able to share our thoughts, we shouldn't be trapped in thoughts that have been proven false. The people up top who claimed voter fraud have been proven false constantly. Those same people who claimed there was fraud (Trump and the other dumbasses who parrot him) have a history of being dishonest. If there is no proof then why should anyone think there is fraud? 

 

Also Trump said coming up to the 2016 election that there was mass voter fraud and he was going to lose because of it. Then suddenly he didn't care about fraud until the election? What a coincidence.

 

 

I heard that Joe Biden became outraged because they wouldn't invoke the 25th Amendment. He slammed his fist on the table and declared he would invoke the 25th Amendment on day one.

 

 

 

What are you getting at?

 

 

Nevada has never had an election by mail. The Governor of Nevada cannot, on his own volition, authorize the mailing of a ballot out to every breathing Nevada resident. He did not have that power, and Covid doesn't grant him that power. It was an illegal election. 

 

 

The Nevada state government passed a bill to allow voting by mail, so it was and is completely legal. Also mail in ballots have been a thing if you count absentee voting.

 

From the Nevada voter's page 

 

Requesting an Absent Ballot

 

Any registered voter may request to vote by mail. To request an absent ballot, you must complete and submit an Absent Ballot Request Form to the County Clerk/Registrar of Voters in the county where you are registered to vote. If you are a resident of Clark County, you may obtain the form from their website at http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/vote.

 

Permanent Absent Ballot

 

 

A registered voter who provides  sufficient  written notice to the appropriate county clerk may request that the registered voter receive an absent ballot for all elections at which the registered voter is eligible to vote. If you relocate to a different county within Nevada and you wish to continue to receive a Permanent Absent Ballot, you must re-register to vote in the new county and resubmit a Permanent Absent Ballot request with the County Clerk or Registrar of Voters office.  

 

 

The people up top who claimed voter fraud have been proven false constantly.

Earlier in this thread, I said they need to prove that the election was not rigged, and my thoughts were dismissed as unreasonable. Now you claim that my unreasonable thought has in fact been fulfilled. No it has not.

 

 

What are you getting at?

A little slow are we? I'll explain... it was a joke Fox. The joke is Joe Biden would be stupid enough to invoke the 25th Amendment when he takes office on day one... which means he would be invoking the 25th Amendment to remove himself... get it now?

 

 

The Nevada state government passed a bill to allow voting by mai

Thank you for proving my point. Requesting an "Absent Ballot" is no where near the same thing as mailing a ballot to everyone in the state just because the governor wants to do it. No one said anything about absentee ballots... except for the people that requested absentee ballots, voted with them, and also voted in the state they actually live in... get it now?

 

Heck most of these "alterations" happened months to years prior to even Covid being a thing

Nevada has never had an election by mail. The Governor of Nevada cannot, on his own volition, authorize the mailing of a ballot out to every breathing Nevada resident. He did not have that power, and Covid doesn't grant him that power. It was an illegal election.

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Alot of the changes were enacted end may, start june of 2019 for changes to the election in Nevada. Meanwhile the general "send mail to all" deal was done in end july, start august of 2020 in direct responce to Covid pandemic and likely outbreaks that could threathen voters. Both were "Constitutional Majority" as such stated on the 2 linked pages enacted by the Nevada Legislature!

 

What did happen is that your governor enacted the provisions slated in link #2 by declaring an emergency (see myth #7) and as such mailing a ballot to all registered voters in the state (aka nobody got it if they weren't registered).

 

Also mail voting isn't bad or people would have cried about it for several decades now, what just happened in many states was lessening the hurdles to receive such a ballot in the mail while keeping verification and other rules as stringent as before!

 

Basically you are just echoing the 1 party that seems to lose elections when more people get to vote, quelle démocratie.

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The people up top who claimed voter fraud have been proven false constantly.

Earlier in this thread, I said they need to prove that the election was not rigged, and my thoughts were dismissed as unreasonable. Now you claim that my unreasonable thought has in fact been fulfilled. No it has not.

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Proving the claims of voter fraud were wrong =/= proving no voter fraud happended.

 

Heck its even more backwards then that, you seem to think that having facts and judges rule that the "feelings" people brought forward as voter fraud are wrong and/or irrelevant somehow still makes you right that the state(s) still need to prove to you that voter fraud didn't happen. Stop trying to find claim that 2+2=5 while ignoring people calling you an idiot for following a fool.

The Nevada election was illegal.

 

Me wasting more of your time in 3... 2... 1... GO!

The Nevada election was illegal.

 

Me wasting more of your time in 3... 2... 1... GO!

And right here is the admission that it was never about facts for you (as you just ignored the inconvenient ones), but rather what you WANT to be true. Politics pandering to this kind of voter attitude would ruin human civilization, and the removal of Trump is a big step in the right direction, although we still have a very long way to go.