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[Ali bin Turban]

another thing i find interesting is how WP has not switched his vote onto ferastical.  It is a competing wagon and he could tie them at three each and potentially save himself.  

 

Lets consider why he hasnt from the PoV of both WP as scum and town

 

If Scum:

 

WP knows every players alignment including Ferastical.  

 

If ferastical is town he could jump onto that wagon and hope to get a lynch of a townie and move scum closer to victory.  yes he would probably be the next lynch but he is in danger of dying already so might as well take a townie with him, so if WP is scum, and ferastical is town, it would make more sense for him to jump onto ferastical then stay off him.

 

If ferastical is scum, WP probably wouldnt want to put one of his partners closer to lynch, and potentally get ferastical lynched because WP himself is under a lot of pressure as a scum suspect so he could in essence end up causing 2 of the three scum to die.  If WP and Ferastical are both scum I do not think it would make sense for him to jump onto that wagon.

 

If Town:

 

WP has no idea anyone's alignment.  He could jump onto Ferastical to save himself but if WP is a VT, he seems to have his mind made up that ABT is scum so if hes actually town, it would kind of make sense he holds his vote on ABT and doesnt jump onto Ferastical.

 

so basically what I am saying is I do think WP's actions after this post/results if he is lynched will be telling

You forgot to add that such a wagon jumping in order to save ones hide is perceived very scummy and thus one could expect other players to pile on his wagon. As a result he'd gain nothing apart from reassuring others about his own alignment.  

[Ferastical]

this once again feels like Ferastical trying to point out to the town how townie he is.

 

lol

 

okay, I won't say anything then, as it seems everything I say will be held against me   

[brewersalliance]

 

this once again feels like Ferastical trying to point out to the town how townie he is.

 

lol

 

okay, I won't say anything then, as it seems everything I say will be held against me   

 

you have the right to remain silent.  Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of mafia

 

another thing i find interesting is how WP has not switched his vote onto ferastical.  It is a competing wagon and he could tie them at three each and potentially save himself.  

 

Lets consider why he hasnt from the PoV of both WP as scum and town

 

If Scum:

 

WP knows every players alignment including Ferastical.  

 

If ferastical is town he could jump onto that wagon and hope to get a lynch of a townie and move scum closer to victory.  yes he would probably be the next lynch but he is in danger of dying already so might as well take a townie with him, so if WP is scum, and ferastical is town, it would make more sense for him to jump onto ferastical then stay off him.

 

If ferastical is scum, WP probably wouldnt want to put one of his partners closer to lynch, and potentally get ferastical lynched because WP himself is under a lot of pressure as a scum suspect so he could in essence end up causing 2 of the three scum to die.  If WP and Ferastical are both scum I do not think it would make sense for him to jump onto that wagon.

 

If Town:

 

WP has no idea anyone's alignment.  He could jump onto Ferastical to save himself but if WP is a VT, he seems to have his mind made up that ABT is scum so if hes actually town, it would kind of make sense he holds his vote on ABT and doesnt jump onto Ferastical.

 

so basically what I am saying is I do think WP's actions after this post/results if he is lynched will be telling

You forgot to add that such a wagon jumping in order to save ones hide is perceived very scummy and thus one could expect other players to pile on his wagon. As a result he'd gain nothing apart from reassuring others about his own alignment.  

 

correct however we are very late in the day, and its basically to the point that if he is scum he would have nothing to lose, as deadline is what? less than two hours away and he is currently in line to be lynched

edit wait never mind, he is at three votes and needs 4 for the lynch.  was thinking we had 11 players left not 12.    so i guess as of right now WP is actually not in line for a lynch, no one is

so we need people to either switch their votes or have TW show up and vote in the next 45 min

 

Thats right we are 45 min from deadline.  its crunch time people

[The Warrior]

The arguments about Ferastical and Wolfpacks are both interesting. I don't personally have a strong scum read on either of them. Ferastical's actions could be scummy (as pointed out by the information Brewers linked from the mafiawiki) but it could also be that he just doesn't know what to do and is just trying to follow others. Wolfpacks on the other hand isn't really acting any different than he does in any other game so it's hard to read. Deadline is in 20 minutes though and unless other people vote in the last couple minutes Wolfpacks might be our only choice since he is currently leading the vote and we need to do something. At the very least we might get some direction on what to do tomorrow by lynching one of them and seeing what their alignment ends up being.

 

Vote: Wolfpacks

[brewersalliance]

Welp wolfpacks is dead. Let's see what happens

[Robert2424]

A bit late but it works.

[Wolfpacks]

Haha you lot never learn, how many times do I have to point it out that I'm Vanilla Town, remember Abt and ferastical, lynch them both and town wins

[Rafay]

Vote: Wolfpacks.

 

Finally got to read the whole thing and here's my vote. Lets hope he's mafia

[Wolfpacks]

Im not im vanilla Town as I said
Oh Unvote there's no need now as im calling them both out, Abt and Ferastical are both Scum trust me,

Im glad I dont grudge vote lol

[brewersalliance]

It's past deadline so Rafays vote doesn't count. If WP flips scum I'd be looking at Rafay long and hard for that pointless vote after deadline. WP is already dead lol so it's basically the mafia equivalent of virtue signalling lol oh see look at me I must be town cause I voted to lynch the scum

FoS Rafay IF wolfpacks is scum

If WP is scum, I'm guessing his comments that ABT and ferastical are scum and we should focus on them is a last ditch effort at bussing and ferastical will probably be his partner (don't think ABT would have created a wagon on his partner when MK was in a position to be lynched lol)

[Ali bin Turban]

Brewers you're trying a bit too hard to connect WP scuminess ( hopefully) with as many people as you can.

Above all, if WP turns out to be scum, it'll shed a new light on your enormous commitment to get Ferastical lynched instead of him.

And when you admitted being mafia on D1, that was a joke, right? Or it acctualy wasn't?

[The Warrior]

I'm assuming that Wolfpacks will indeed turn up as a VT unfortunately since deadline is passed and he knows that we can't change the vote anyway and he still maintains his towniness. We'll see for sure but I'm assuming that will be the case..

[Wolfpacks]

I see Abt is trying to deflect that he wanted me lynch, if you let him live more fool you, Rafay isn't scum im telling you Abt and ferastical are scum
I cant say it more convincing enough lol im VT

As im dead ill say no more but ill watch with lots of interest

[brewersalliance]

I see Abt is trying to deflect that he wanted me lynch, if you let him live more fool you, Rafay isn't scum im telling you Abt and ferastical are scum

 

well the only people who know anyone's alignment for sure are scum so how would you know Rafay isnt scum unless you are actually scum? 

 

 

 

Brewers you're trying a bit too hard to connect WP scuminess ( hopefully) with as many people as you can. Above all, if WP turns out to be scum, it'll shed a new light on your enormous commitment to get Ferastical lynched instead of him. And when you admitted being mafia on D1, that was a joke, right? Or it acctualy wasn't?

 

as many as possible?  ive said rafays after hours pointless vote could be bussing and wolfpacks hard core going after you and ferastical even after hes dead could also be him bussing ferastical lol  so how is that connecting it to as many people as possible?   you just sound butthurt that im not voting with you and decided to form my own opinion on whom I wanted to vote for. 

 

 

ABT right now lol

 

[KevinH]

Day 4 ends

Vote Count:

Wolfpacks (4): Ali bin Turban, Ferastical, Velocity, The Warrior,
Lord MK (2): Lyner, Robert2424,
Ferastical (2): brewersalliance, ghaws,
Lyner (1): Lord MK, 
Ali bin Turban (1): Wolfpacks, 
Rafay (1): Finster Baby, 
Finster Baby (0):
brewersalliance (0): 
The Warrior (0):
Robert2424 (0):  
ghaws (0):
Velocity (0):

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Rafay, (past deadline)

Wolfpacks, Vanilla Townie, has been lynched.

It is now Night 4
Deadline for actions is Thursday, September 17 at 21:00 EDT.
 

[KevinH]

Night 4 ends.

ghaws, Vanilla Townie, has been killed.

It is now Day 5.


Vote Count:

Lord MK (0):
Ferastical (0): ,
Lyner (0):
Ali bin Turban (0): , 
Rafay (0):  
Finster Baby (0):
brewersalliance (0): 
The Warrior (0):
Robert2424 (0):  
Velocity (0):

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Rafay, Ali bin Turban, Ferastical, Velocity, The Warrior, Lyner, Robert2424, brewersalliance, Lord MK, Finster Baby,

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Tuesday, September 22 at 12:00 EDT.
 

[The Warrior]

As expected Wolfpacks was a VT unfortunately and ghaws was killed at night.

 

Yesterday's final vote:

Wolfpacks (4): Ali bin Turban, Ferastical, Velocity, The Warrior,
Lord MK (2): Lyner, Robert2424,
Ferastical (2): brewersalliance, ghaws,
Lyner (1): Lord MK, 
Ali bin Turban (1): Wolfpacks, 
Rafay (1): Finster Baby, 
Finster Baby (0):
brewersalliance (0): 
The Warrior (0):
Robert2424 (0):  
ghaws (0):
Velocity (0):

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Rafay, (past deadline)

 

Brewers made an interesting argument in favor of lynching Ferastical yesterday. It's interesting that ghaws was killed at night since he was the only other to vote for Ferastical (granted it was before Brewers made his long argument against him). ghaws did say though that he believed Ferastical to be scum unless there was a convincing reason not to think so. This isn't necessarily condemning of Ferastical but could be scum trying to eliminate potential opposition that they think could be locked onto one of their own. It's worth monitoring.

 

We're down to 7 town vs 3 mafia now so we have 2 mislynches left if we don't hit scum today or tomorrow.

 

I'm also interested in hearing from the people who voted for someone other than Wolfpacks, Lord MK, or Ferastical yesterday. Lord MK cast the only vote for Lyner and Finster cast the only vote for Rafay.

 

@Lord MK - Can you explain your reasoning again for voting Lyner when it looked like there was little chance he'd be lynched?

@Finster -  Can you explain your reasoning again for voting Rafay when it looked like there was little chance he'd be lynched?

[Finster Baby]

@Finster -  Can you explain your reasoning again for voting Rafay when it looked like there was little chance he'd be lynched?

As I stated yesterday:

There's enough doubt about WP, at least in my mind, that I don't think I'm ready to be the hammer vote here, since we're at -1 to EOD lynch.

I still think Rafay is a valid target, given his D4 outburst and then immediate radio silence. I can potentially be talked into Ferestical as well, as he did come out looking a touch scummy yesterday.

[Ferastical]

Brewers made an interesting argument in favor of lynching Ferastical yesterday. It's interesting that ghaws was killed at night since he was the only other to vote for Ferastical (granted it was before Brewers made his long argument against him). ghaws did say though that he believed Ferastical to be scum unless there was a convincing reason not to think so. This isn't necessarily condemning of Ferastical but could be scum trying to eliminate potential opposition that they think could be locked onto one of their own. It's worth monitoring.

 

I'm obviously being framed!  

Mind you, it's subtle, but still - it would take an experienced player to come up with a scheme so cruel, so I suggest looking into mafia players with some seniority! And in addition, someone who might have motivation to kill LWW, Torres, and finally ghaws in order to get me framed! 

 

Just take a moment to think about this, alright? Only a fool would go forward with killing ghaws, but if you consider me such a fool, then most probably nothing I say will make you chance your mind. After all, there's this big case built against me, so why shouldn't you vote? Truth be told (literally haha), if there's any ounce of trust left for me in you, I want you to hold on to that, as I assure you, I'm working solely for the good of this town, and nothing else.

 

 

I ain't pointing any fingers because... I'm pretty much clueless as to how I should proceed. This is murky waters, and I'm not a great swimmer. 

[The Warrior]

I still think Rafay is a valid target, given his D4 outburst and then immediate radio silence. I can potentially be talked into Ferestical as well, as he did come out looking a touch scummy yesterday.

 

That's pretty much Rafay's MO. Stays silent until he gets a vote or two, shows up and calls the voter a name, OMGUS votes, and then disappears. Not saying he can't be scum of course because he very well could be. We're just at a point where we only have a couple chances left to lynch correctly and will need to start agreeing on who to lynch.

 

Brewers made an interesting argument in favor of lynching Ferastical yesterday. It's interesting that ghaws was killed at night since he was the only other to vote for Ferastical (granted it was before Brewers made his long argument against him). ghaws did say though that he believed Ferastical to be scum unless there was a convincing reason not to think so. This isn't necessarily condemning of Ferastical but could be scum trying to eliminate potential opposition that they think could be locked onto one of their own. It's worth monitoring.

 

I'm obviously being framed!  

Mind you, it's subtle, but still - it would take an experienced player to come up with a scheme so cruel, so I suggest looking into mafia players with some seniority! And in addition, someone who might have motivation to kill LWW, Torres, and finally ghaws in order to get me framed! 

 

Just take a moment to think about this, alright? Only a fool would go forward with killing ghaws, but if you consider me such a fool, then most probably nothing I say will make you chance your mind. After all, there's this big case built against me, so why shouldn't you vote? Truth be told (literally haha), if there's any ounce of trust left for me in you, I want you to hold on to that, as I assure you, I'm working solely for the good of this town, and nothing else.

 

 

I ain't pointing any fingers because... I'm pretty much clueless as to how I should proceed. This is murky waters, and I'm not a great swimmer. 

 

 

Being framed is obviously a possibility. If you believe you're being framed do you care to venture a theory about who is crafting that strategy?