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[Robert2424]

So nobody going to address the Elephant in the Room? I guess I will. 

 

Lilweirdward, and Torres were the targets chosen to be Night Killed. While Tony has been in the radar to be lynched again. 

 

So, if you can't put two and two together. If you think of these three players, what do they all have in common? Thats Right, Particularly these 3 people players have a certain play style that is hated among the community. Not very active, helpful, or votes in odd ways. But this is not the first time they've been targeted because of it. 

 

Because in past games they've been targeted for the same exact reason, by certain individuals. Aka, Rafay, Brewers, MK. (Maybe others too. My memory is total shit sometimes. 

 

So, if your not picking up what I'm laying down here, let me be a bit more.....Direct.

 

FOS RAFAY, BREWERS, MK

 

It was my theory after the first kill that LWW, that one of these 3 were likely to be involved, and figured if one of two died on night 2, Torres or Velocity, these kills are based off eliminating people will unpopular play styles. 

 

Now, I'm sure they are just going to just come out and say, "Why am I defending there play styles". I really don't care about there play styles. Everyone creates there own. However, I'm interested in finding scum and its likely, our JOAT's aren't going to find information till later in the game. So, unless we take a gamble, and go for inactive lynches, we have to go out the limited information we do have. 2 players are dead. Why there were likely killed over say, TW, MK, Me, Finster, Rafay, ABT. The players that are getting killed aren't brand new, but can be called still new to the game, while players that have played allot longer and more Dangerous are being left alone? 

 

So how do we get more information if JOAT's aren't going to come out until they find scum? We have to work off the limited information we currently have. Get Wagons going and people choose sides. Voting patterns have to be established, who voted for who and how they flipped. 

 

I think this is our best course of action and I'll be going after the most vocal of these players playstyle. 

 

VOTE BREWERS

 

Also for note, With Tony messing up TWICE, and no JOAT has come up saying he's scum. makes me believe somehow JOAT's were silly and didn't target him, or targeted him and found he wasn't scum. While I don't like he ended the day twice early, He's an easy target for a JOAT to target and a likely one. Even If I was a JOAT, I would of targeted him by now. 

[Lord MK]

I do have an issue with the 2 out of the 3 players, i don't really care about Lww, except in that he is trying to overtake me in post count.
But as you seen in the GoT game, i can boost my Post count to insurmountable numbers, if i really wanted to.

And you do know the reason why i don't like Tony and Torres's playstyle is cause they waste entire days, where everyone just debates whether to lynch them or not.

And if so, as scum, i would never try to kill them.
They are negative utility to town inherently, in other words, bonuses to mafia.
I told my scummates to keep torres alive in brewer's game even after he killed me, cause i knew he would do more blind shots and take out potential PRs.


And excluding Torres, the others (lww, Tony and limey and so on) i can easily fool and thus distance myself from their aimless destruction.
I can fool Torres too, but he's just too f-up to figure anything out.
You have a first hand experience of that. In your game, i managed to fool lww right till the end.
By then, i had already won.


And also, I don't really have issues with them.
They are not that harmful. People have grown used to avoiding them at all times.

The only people i truly get annoyed by are limey and nadarr.
And they are still alive.
You know, i tried killing lyner n2 in your game.

[Lord MK]

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And the reason why Torres was killed, was probably cause he's least likely to be targeted by joats.

People like abt, tw, me brewers, are the most likely to be watched.

Hell in brewer's game, everyone targeted me the night i was killed.

And really without the normal PR information we get in other games, most of the experienced players are not really that good.
They are no breadcrumbs to follow.
Everyone who have died till now were VTs.


So if anything, scum is more likely just killing off the newbies.
They just have to keep hiding till they get control of the vote.

As long as Joats don't catch them they can easily pass off as town.
And the best way to not have Joats catch them is simply to kill off the less risky kill targets.

[brewersalliance]

@robert uhhh what?
How TF is LWW hated in the community lol like what on Earth are you talking about right now haha

[Lord MK]

His reason is they are not active, helpful, votes oddly.

Lww is the 3rd most active player rn in mafia.
And he's getting pretty good.


Seems he just want his own agenda against you pushed. And the reason why i think that is cause of the 3 players he FOSed, the third after us is Rafay, his lifelong enemy.
So maybe he's hoping we defend and someone will pick it up against rafay.
.
Rafay hasn't even said shit about Tony, torres or Lww.

[brewersalliance]

I wanna give you the benifit of the doubt but it feels like you are trying way to hard here to start a wagon on me.

Yesterday you started a wagon on me for theories or whatever you said with legit no reasoning. And now today you are doing the same thing.

It's quite the coincidence that the two deaths have equaled some theories for you that I'm behind targeting Torres and lww lol

Unless of course you set up those kills to try to make this argument.

Only reason I don't think you are scum is because pushing this hard for me for two days in a row with legit zero reasoning would get you insta lynched if it actually worked and got me killed.

I don't think scum would be that bold/stupid this early in the game.

[Lord MK]

That's true too.
Robert has been pretty bent on Lynching brewers.
The only one left on your wagon last day
Even lyner gave up after his lies didn't succeed yesterday

[brewersalliance]

Also when have I targeted LWW and Torres other than just being a troll lol

Like when did I seriously target either of them?

I targeted LWW in TWs game for thinking he was scum... And what was his alignment in that game? Oh yeah scum

This is just straight up misinformation
Games I've played with them

Percy Jackson: legit just went at it with kevinH and then was mod killed

Agent of Shield: went after LWW for thinking he was scum annnnd he was scum
Pointed out torres kept asking to be lynched/suspected as fishy AF

Your game: faked trusting lww to get a win- yeah that's going after him
Tried to frame torres as a sk to get a win because I knew he was town- so does that count as going after him since I was trying to manipulate the town players in voting for him so I can win? If so then I guess?

I just don't get why you have such a hard on for me lol

[Tony Maurice]

Who cares about what happened in other games?

[Rafay]

Who cares about what happened in other games?

 

Exactly. Don't judge ppl by previous games 

[brewersalliance]

Who cares about what happened in other games?

you can learn a lot from how people play.  using play-styles from other games can help u figure out when people are deviating from their path.  grudges are pointless to carry over but play-styles can be useful 

[Ali bin Turban]

Ali bin Turban, on 01 Sept 2020 - 10:54, said: Yesterday was over anyway so Tonys vote does not bother me. Id rather go after lurkers, unless we get some info. Vote Rafay Rafay's city got hit with a huge storm and i guess it killed a bunch of people and he lost internet.  he pm's me about it.  so I dont think its fair to punish him for that

 

 

I'm voting on Rafay because he's a lurker. Storm does not change that. And I'm pretty sure Rafay is fine voting on lurkers. That was his reason to vote TW after all. 

[Lord MK]

Ali bin Turban, on 01 Sept 2020 - 10:54, said: Yesterday was over anyway so Tonys vote does not bother me. Id rather go after lurkers, unless we get some info. Vote Rafay Rafay's city got hit with a huge storm and i guess it killed a bunch of people and he lost internet. he pm's me about it. so I dont think its fair to punish him for that

I'm voting on Rafay because he's a lurker. Storm does not change that. And I'm pretty sure Rafay is fine voting on lurkers. That was his reason to vote TW after all.

You pulled a reverse uno then on rafay, lol

[Robert2424]

 

Who cares about what happened in other games?

 

Exactly. Don't judge ppl by previous games 

 

Considering this is what people do here. A player wins as Mafia, they are Night 1 killed if they were instrumental in that win. People carry grudges when it comes to mafia here. 

 

its a matter of motivation. Instead of lynching, because people have pushed for lynches in this game, but we've voted for twice to No Lynch, what can people do. Simple, eliminate people you don't want to deal with. I really hate to say it, but I doubt this will change. This is what I've observed. People remember that you lynched them, or NK'd them. Next game they want to get revenge for a past games while playing to there objective. 

 

You can say, they are just easier to lynch then to kill, but can you truly just keep lynching somebody off reliably. If that was the case I should be able to lynch anybody and gain support just cause I don't think there a good player. 

 

If you don't think it was a good move by mafia to kill them, are you suggesting we have Noob mafia then? meaning the new faces in these game that decided to go after them instead? 

 

You have to get into the head of the Mafia, why they do what they do. What you predict there next move is going to be. 

[Rafay]

That was his reason to vote TW after all. 

 

And I unvoted after he cleared his position. 

[Finster Baby]

Who cares about what happened in other games?

While past performance isn't necessary indicative of future actions, one can get a feel for how a person will react/play etc based off their previous games.  There's some tells, if you know how to look.

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Tony Maurice (3): brewersalliance, Lord MK, Finster Baby,
brewersalliance (2): Tony Maurice, Robert2424,
Rafay (1): Ali bin Turban,  
The Warrior (0):
Finster Baby (0):
Lyner (0):  
Robert2424 (0):  
ghaws (0):
Wolfpacks (0):
Ferastical (0):
Ali bin Turban (0):
Lord MK (0):
Velocity (0):

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Lyner, Wolfpacks, Velocity, The Warrior, Ferastical, ghaws, Rafay, 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Monday, September 7 at 19:00 EDT.
 

[Velocity]

Who cares about what happened in other games?

While past performance isn't necessary indicative of future actions, one can get a feel for how a person will react/play etc based off their previous games. There's some tells, if you know how to look.

I don’t think we should base things off of other games, but there can be things picked up that carry over regardless of the game, such as play style for one example. I would think it’s reasonable to use past play styles as a basis, but not last games individually.

[ghaws]

Using playstyles is something everyone does this is my 2nd game and
still i am searching off patterns in everyone's words and actions the
more u see people speak the more they develop some kind of pattern if
nothing else

 

And about lww
and torres kill i think it went more like they killed lww because he
was active anbd getting active players at night is always beneficial and
when they got called out about that they switched to a safe kill

 

 

Yo torres you haven't been speaking much in this game guess you do not want the top post spot?

I like to lurk in the background, thank you very much

 

this was straight up saying he is a lurker and thus the scum found him as a safe kill so either someone who has alternative aggro kill strat or someone who changes their strategy when they called out

 

If anyone knows about the alternative kill strat share it with us anyone who used it before anyone likely to use it and such

 

Also this is now day 3 so ideally the JOAT must've gotten some information at the very least and i personally think it is not a good choice to come out rn but do make sure to give us the direction in which u found the info if u found the scum make sure to let us all into a wagon to kill that guy (i do not think anyone will do this tho)

 

yes the previous deaths sure have some info but the next kill by the mafia confirms the strategy they are about to follow will they do something to frame someone even now or will they kill someone whose voice they do not want alive

 

If u personally want to frame me just kill lyner as u already killed torres who voted for me the next logical choice to frame me is lyner as he was the only other person who suspected me

[Lyner]

Scums are hunting JoATs is all

 

For the no lynchers yesterday, any plans for today?

 

Give scums another 2 free days by lynching Tony & Rafay?

 

No Lynch (8): Ali bin Turban, Wolfpacks, Velocity, The Warrior, Ferastical, ghaws, Finster Baby, Tony Maurice,