I'm still not sure between Velocity and Dontavian. Both of them behaved suspiciously yesterday (Velocity was defended by COD and didn't vote, and Dontavian voted captain while ignoring COD). Velocity is at least defending himself I guess, whereas Dontavian has been notably absent since the last few questions captain and I pressured him on.

 

Maybe tomorrow after the Super Bowl I'll go through the last 3 vote results and see if I can pick apart any useful trends.

No one’s “pressuring” me, and it really wouldn’t matter wtf I would say... I RCd about who I am, and was immediately SUS. Captain has  championed me being SUS most of the game. And he’s wrong. 

 

I wasn’t going to vote at all, because I didn’t have any evidence strong enough...but brewers said non voters run the risk of mod killed and brewers is wild enough to do it. COD was in the lead on votes...me joining a wagon late would’ve been scummy (which according to wiki, EVERYTHING is a scum tell) so I picked captain to throw my vote on. It might have put him in trial by combat, depending on other votes.

 

Anyway, captain and lww feel free to vote for me and mislynch a Town. Guaranteed.

 

 

So, I have to ask the question then. You didn't want to throw your vote into the wagon (I wouldn't have called it scummy) but you thought it would look scummy. What was the reasoning for throwing it on me, a person who killed a scum the previous night?

 

https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/65177-ba-11-a-dance-with-dragons-day-4/page-21?do=findComment&comment=1028504

 

 

Deadline is approaching, with very little to go on (TWs Miller claim is it) and apparently game apathy level is high, So to mix it up some...

 

 

Because the apathy of the game is high?

CAPTAIN 
DONTAVIAN
LWW  (1) Velocity
RAFAY (1) Dontavian
VELOCITY 

Not voting:  Captain, LWW, Rafay

 

with 5 Alive it takes 3 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 2/10 at 9am CN time

 

THE WARRIOR (2) rafay, cod,

Purely because of this vote, I’m going with

 

VOTE:

Rafay

So are you saying that he's faking his Cop claim? I legitimately don't understand what you're doing here, this is worse than your half attempt to find reasons to vote for captain, and now you've done it for the two most confirmed townies in the game.

 

I'm waiting to see what Rafay thinks (and also if Velocity has any input other than sussing me), but right now I'm leaning towards Dontavian for my vote once the day gets closer to its end.

Look I openly told all my results to everyone Dontavian. Why after three days have you realized that I might be fake claiming?

 

 

 

That said, who are you sus of Rafay?

 

I really cant say anything. Last time I thot TW was mafia and I was really really wrong. 

CAPTAIN

DONTAVIAN

LWW

RAFAY (1) Dontavian

VELOCITY

Not voting: Captain, LWW, Rafay, Velocity

with 5 Alive it takes 3 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 2/10 at 9am CN time

I had voted for lww a while back

 

CAPTAIN

DONTAVIAN

LWW

RAFAY (1) Dontavian

VELOCITY

Not voting: Captain, LWW, Rafay, Velocity

 

with 5 Alive it takes 3 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 2/10 at 9am CN time

I had voted for lww a while back

 

lol okay.  this is a bitch to do on mobile lol

 

 

THE WARRIOR (2) rafay, cod,

Purely because of this vote, I’m going with

 

VOTE:

Rafay

So are you saying that he's faking his Cop claim? I legitimately don't understand what you're doing here, this is worse than your half attempt to find reasons to vote for captain, and now you've done it for the two most confirmed townies in the game.

 

I'm waiting to see what Rafay thinks (and also if Velocity has any input other than sussing me), but right now I'm leaning towards Dontavian for my vote once the day gets closer to its end.

 

Why wait? You and captain have been on my ass for most of the game. I now completely understand the folks that constantly lurk in games and participate little...to do otherwise only brings on constant badgering. That and the fact that literally everything that’s posted or not posted equates to a scum tell in the Wiki compendium and some people can’t interpolate beyond what’s codified in that tome. 

Anyway, I don’t see a need to wait... quit talking about it and vote your “conscience” then it’ll be up to Rafay to hammer me, vote lww and continue deliberating, or we keep staring at each other until the deadline.

 

 

 

THE WARRIOR (2) rafay, cod,

Purely because of this vote, I’m going with

 

VOTE:

Rafay

So are you saying that he's faking his Cop claim? I legitimately don't understand what you're doing here, this is worse than your half attempt to find reasons to vote for captain, and now you've done it for the two most confirmed townies in the game.

 

I'm waiting to see what Rafay thinks (and also if Velocity has any input other than sussing me), but right now I'm leaning towards Dontavian for my vote once the day gets closer to its end.

 

Why wait? You and captain have been on my ass for most of the game. I now completely understand the folks that constantly lurk in games and participate little...to do otherwise only brings on constant badgering. That and the fact that literally everything that’s posted or not posted equates to a scum tell in the Wiki compendium and some people can’t interpolate beyond what’s codified in that tome. 

Anyway, I don’t see a need to wait... quit talking about it and vote your “conscience” then it’ll be up to Rafay to hammer me, vote lww and continue deliberating, or we keep staring at each other until the deadline.

 

 

We are just questioning your actions. You have yet to provide an explanation for the vote on me and the vote on Rafay (the two most townie of the five of us). You said you voted me to "change things up" and your vote for rafay because "he voted TW".

 

Can you provide any additional comments or reasoning without badgering on how we are on your ass? We can't comment on things unless actions are taken. If no one discusses, we can't move forward. You are not discussing and thus things aren't moving forward. I understand it's hard to discuss things with only having a VT role, but come on...

 

MY SUS ORDER

Don

Velocity

LLW

Rafay

Me

Nope, I can’t... as a VT, I really have nothing else to offer up as evidence. Both you and lww have come after me since I RCd because of the timing of it or whatever, or how I said it, or whatever it was... your laser-focus on me has been misplaced, if you lynch me, you have missed the opportunity to take out the remaining scum. That’s as plain and forthright as I can be in an effort to help town win the game. 

Nope, I can’t... as a VT, I really have nothing else to offer up as evidence. Both you and lww have come after me since I RCd because of the timing of it or whatever, or how I said it, or whatever it was... your laser-focus on me has been misplaced, if you lynch me, you have missed the opportunity to take out the remaining scum. That’s as plain and forthright as I can be in an effort to help town win the game. 

 

With as much effort as you put into your "screamer" role, I am inclined to believe you. This means that the top of my list is now Velocity and LLW. I know that Velocity has claimed bodyguard role and has admitted to protecting folks, so I'm not as sus there. This leaves LLW, the other remaining VT. While your efforts have indeed helped (or seemed to help) the town, can you offer up any info as to why you shouldn't be sus?

Well, all right then... more discussion.

 

 

UNVOTE

Nope, I can’t... as a VT, I really have nothing else to offer up as evidence. Both you and lww have come after me since I RCd because of the timing of it or whatever, or how I said it, or whatever it was... your laser-focus on me has been misplaced, if you lynch me, you have missed the opportunity to take out the remaining scum. That’s as plain and forthright as I can be in an effort to help town win the game.

Getting a bit meta/ooc, but please tell me you can see how this is not a safe way to let people play if you ever want to win as town, right? If everyone just said "sorry guys, I know I'm town and I can't do anything else to prove it, you'll just have to trust me if you want to win", scum would win every single game because town would never know who is lying. You can't just hack your way through games and then freak out when people say you're acting suspicious.

 

I don't know if you're town or not, and saying "I'm town" proves literally nothing. You have to actually do things that make me believe you're likely telling the truth.

This leaves LLW, the other remaining VT. While your efforts have indeed helped (or seemed to help) the town, can you offer up any info as to why you shouldn't be sus?

I mean that's the best I can do in games like this is play to help town win, and I feel like I've done my part there. As much as Velocity is trying to paint it as some obvious scum move, I genuinely think that hammering COD when he was an hour away from being saved is not something scum would have done, which is why I'm suspicious of the two people who didn't (Velocity and Don). I knew it was risky to hammer someone when there were other solid choices that fate could have decided on, but I thought with a day left and you still having at least one good shot, it was worth the risk with how COD was acting. On the other hand, scum would have known that keeping COD alive even one more night could have made a huge difference as the tailor, so there was a lot of incentive for them to hope he lived. It's fair I guess to make a WIFOM case that players who are good would know this and try to do the opposite, but I think it's simpler and makes more sense to see that scum was always going to get rid of TW and hope that they could skate one more day without anyone experienced enough to convince town to lynch them.

 

I'm a VT so there's not any game info I can give you, obviously. Hopefully my play across the whole game is enough to convince you that I'm not the mafia you're looking for.

This was not my first choice of response...you guys came after me for RCing, both timing and SUS of me RCing VT (“how convenient “). Then everything after that was scrutinized to the point we are now where your posts are “Don is top suspect.” So, we’re at the point, all I got is to tell you that you’re wrong. Again, if you’re convinced, vote and you can sort it out afterwards. Captain has stated he’s at least willing to look at someone else, so I can support that. My input is, it isn’t me, spending effort on me at this point is wasted.

Guys what are we doing? It's 24 hours until deadline. Let me try something different: a bit of classic vote analysis. Green is dead (confirmed town), red is dead (confirmed scum).

 

Day 1:

 

CAPTAIN (2) COD, MK
COD
DONTAVIAN
KEVIN (1) Dontavian
LWW
LYNER (4) Wolfpacks, TW, Torres, Captain
MK
RAFAY
THE WARRIOR (1) KevinH
TONY
TORRES (2) LWW, Lyner
VELOCITY
WOLFPACKS

 

NOT VOTING: Rafay, Tony, Velocity 

 

 

Day 2:

 

CAPTAIN (2) COD, KevinH, Tony
COD (1) Wolfpacks
DONTAVIAN
KEVIN
LWW (1) Tony
RAFAY
THE WARRIOR (1) RAFAY
TONY (4) Captain, Dontavian, LWW, Velocity
TORRES
VELOCITY

WOLFPACKS (2) Torres, TW

 

 

Day 3:

 

CAPTAIN (1) dontavian
COD  (3) TW, captain, lww
DONTAVIAN
LWW 
RAFAY
THE WARRIOR (2) rafay, cod,
VELOCITY 
WOLFPACKS

 

Not voting:  velocity, wolfpacks

 

 

 

 

Some interesting things to note:

• Dontavian did vote Kevin in D1, which doesn't make him innocent since no one else followed along, but is a good plus in his favor
• Everyone alive except Rafay voted to lynch Tony in D2 (and Rafay voted for TW), so everyone voted to lynch a townie that day
• Captain and I are the only two players alive to successfully lynch a mafia, which doesn't make us innocent, but is the most townie thing you can do IMO
• Velocity has not done a single thing that could be considered "townie" in my book. He didn't vote D1 or D3, and D2 he hammered Tony

After considering all the evidence, I still am a little bit suspicious of Dontavian for his late-game actions, but I think there is a greater chance that Velocity is our final scum. Therefore...

 

Vote: Velocity

Vote Ciunt 4.2

 

CAPTAIN 
DONTAVIAN
LWW  (1) Velocity
RAFAY 
VELOCITY (1) LWW

Not voting:  Dontavia, Captain, Rafay

 

with 5 Alive it takes 3 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 2/10 at 9am CN time

Guys what are we doing? It's 24 hours until deadline. Let me try something different: a bit of classic vote analysis. Green is dead (confirmed town), red is dead (confirmed scum).

 

Day 1:

CAPTAIN (2) COD, MK

COD

DONTAVIAN

KEVIN (1) Dontavian

LWW

LYNER (4) Wolfpacks, TW, Torres, Captain

MK

RAFAY

THE WARRIOR (1) KevinH

TONY

TORRES (2) LWW, Lyner

VELOCITY

WOLFPACKS

 

NOT VOTING: Rafay, Tony, Velocity

 

Day 2:

CAPTAIN (2) COD, KevinH, Tony

COD (1) Wolfpacks

DONTAVIAN

KEVIN

LWW (1) Tony

RAFAY

THE WARRIOR (1) RAFAY

TONY (4) Captain, Dontavian, LWW, Velocity

TORRES

VELOCITY

WOLFPACKS (2) Torres, TW

 

Day 3:

CAPTAIN (1) dontavian

COD (3) TW, captain, lww

DONTAVIAN

LWW

RAFAY

THE WARRIOR (2) rafay, cod,

VELOCITY

WOLFPACKS

 

Not voting: velocity, wolfpacks

 

 

 

Some interesting things to note:

• Dontavian did vote Kevin in D1, which doesn't make him innocent since no one else followed along, but is a good plus in his favor
• Everyone alive except Rafay voted to lynch Tony in D2 (and Rafay voted for TW), so everyone voted to lynch a townie that day
• Captain and I are the only two players alive to successfully lynch a mafia, which doesn't make us innocent, but is the most townie thing you can do IMO
• Velocity has not done a single thing that could be considered "townie" in my book. He didn't vote D1 or D3, and D2 he hammered Tony

After considering all the evidence, I still am a little bit suspicious of Dontavian for his late-game actions, but I think there is a greater chance that Velocity is our final scum. Therefore...

 

Vote: Velocity

lol dude I barely ever vote, if that’s your best evidence then you don’t got a very strong basis.

 

I think it’s pretty clear who the scum is, at this point. If I get lynched, when I flip, you’d do good to take out lww.

 

Otherwise, the truth will be revealed tomorrow, granted captain doesn’t kill a town and accidentally make it a scum win instantly.

https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/65177-ba-11-a-dance-with-dragons-day-4/?p=1028671

 

Where I stated just by their voting record, I SUS Rafay and Velocity. LWW has weighed in on Velocity and Velocity is voting LWW.  Captain and Rafay... let's hear your reasoning and get this over with.

I'm in a bit of a torn position. Velocity rarely, if ever votes, like he said. So he is a bit harder to judge. LWW has been very active and contributive to the discussion, though it would be very easy for scum to hide in the "leader of the discussion" role. I do find it interesting that he placed the final vote for COD, but it is possible that was a planned end-game by them with the Tailor role and getting down to the last few people. This would mean LWW could hide as a semi-confirmed town and help mislynch the remaining town, perhaps even hoping I mis-vig now. This would lead down a path of leaving Rafay (vouching for LWW) and myself (help scum by mis-vig killing town). 

 

Thoughts?

Well I appreciate that you think I could scheme such a clever way to win, especially when two scum were basically killed in the same day. It's not true but I'm flattered nevertheless that you think I could try to pull it off

 

Not to pull a Dontavian lol, but idk how much more I can say at this point unless you have specific questions. If you lynch me you'll obviously see me turn up town. I would guess that with the tailor gone, the mafia will probably kill Rafay to avoid either being caught or having both remaining townies be confirmed, and you'll be stuck with the same sus list you had at the start of the day, but no more chances to guess wrong. At the end of the day, I just want to win, and I think it gives us a much better chance to try to win now by lynching Velocity, or win tomorrow if it's the two of us or you and Rafay against Dontavian. That, for me at least, would basically be a guaranteed win as I feel extremely confident that you are town, and I trust that you and Rafay would both be confident that each other is town too.

 

Let's see though. This has been a fun game either way and I'm looking forward to seeing how it all concludes.

Vote Velocity

 

I think it is either Velocity or LLW. I am deciding on Velocity based upon No vote D1, Town Vote D2, and No Vote D3. While it is easy to hide as town by leading discussions, it is just as easy to hide by not taking any actions. Results this next night may shed light on the situation.

I'll also add that while Velocity has claimed Bodyguard, it is very hard to get that claim verified. If no other discussion is added, this is where my vote will stay.

Oh great... pull a Dontavian is now a thing 
 
alright Rafay... one last chance to weigh in... V is at L-1. If no Rafay input by morning, I’ll jump on and hammer Velocity. " Fortuna Favet Fortibus " ("Fortune favors the brave").

 

 

Not to pull a Dontavian

 

 

yeah, no.  comments like this are not acceptable.  any more and u will be mod killed

Vote Velocity

 

I think it is either Velocity or LLW. I am deciding on Velocity based upon No vote D1, Town Vote D2, and No Vote D3. While it is easy to hide as town by leading discussions, it is just as easy to hide by not taking any actions. Results this next night may shed light on the situation.

 

I'll also add that while Velocity has claimed Bodyguard, it is very hard to get that claim verified. If no other discussion is added, this is where my vote will stay.

When I flip, you’d do well to kill lww.