We can certainly check if Kevin is telling the truth about his role by telling him to target someone on night 2 and then someone can perform an action and if kevin confirms the action correctly then he's telling the truth, if he doesn't confirm it correctly then we know he is scum.

 

But I think we would be a lot better off trying to figure out who rolled vision. This way if someone can protect him, it would delay the next stone.

Both of these are not good ideas.

 

For Kevin, he can be telling the truth about his role and still be mafia, since voyeur does not have to be town aligned. Additionally, if he is mafia and they have any other power roles, he can be lying about his role but simply say that he tracked whoever was the target of their other role, and we would not be able to tell unless a tracker is able to follow Kevin and confirm his movements. Basically, we should absolutely not assume that an inability to prove his claim fake means that he's town. That's super dangerous and how town loses games like this.

 

Also, asking people to name claim in games that are heavily themed like this is generally considered poor form, if not outright scummy, since there's a good chance that the names could be important from a gameplay perspective. Besides, even if there is another protective role in the game, there's no guarantee that they would successfully protect someone (lots of things can break protection for scum), and it also puts everyone else at risk when the mafia feels confident that they know who is being protected and can target everyone else at will. And all of that being said, games usually don't have more than one town-aligned protective role unless there are multiple scum factions, so without any evidence of that, we are probably safest to assume that we're out of protective roles unless evidence comes up that proves otherwise.

This all just seems too strange so until Kevin explains his decision making process I 

 

Vote Kevin

 

 

 

OOC: I will be out of town this weekend and might lack access to the forums. Will try to make it work though.

 

Tony Maurice (1): Velocity

Velocity (1): iSocialism

Zacch (2): Tony Maurice, Imran Ehsan

 

 

iSocialism voted for Velocity who voted for Tony who voted for Zacch.

 

I found that this was an interesting chain and that's why I chose iSocialism as my voyeur target.

 

I chose to role claim for several reasons:

• show that the mod was not killing players
• preemptively make the claim in case anyone saw me visit a player that died
• give the town some information that can be discussed like we are doing now

The scum would probably not want to "waste" an early night-kill on me since I can't identify them but they would probably like to get me lynched since it eliminates a role that may hurt them later.

 

• preemptively make the claim in case anyone saw me visit a player that died

I appreciate the honestly lol but this alone should get you lynched today, and it's wild that you admitted it.

A tracker or watcher could have seen somebody else visit iSocialism.  A role claim by me afterwards would be even more sus.

 

It's Day 2 and people know somethin'

 

I have a legitimate claim on the table, which can be proven in future days.

 

Scum would want me lynched before I can be proven.

 

 

A tracker or watcher could have seen somebody else visit iSocialism.  A role claim by me afterwards would be even more sus.

 

 

It seems strange to me that you would risk yourself to be killed just to preemptively head off the possibility of a person with a tracker role having lucked out and seen your action when there are 14 possible targets for the tracker(s). If you are telling the truth then that exposes you to getting killed at the night. 

 

My current theory is that you are scum, and are hoping to bait us on using a power class to try and prove or disprove your claims and exposing them. Now if I am incorrect and you are a townie, that play also hurts the team as a whole because if the scum also has the role you have then you are unintentional bait.

 

From how I see it is no matter if you are a townie or scum you put us into a corner.

 

A tracker or watcher could have seen somebody else visit iSocialism.  A role claim by me afterwards would be even more sus.

 

 

It seems strange to me that you would risk yourself to be killed just to preemptively head off the possibility of a person with a tracker role having lucked out and seen your action when there are 14 possible targets for the tracker(s). If you are telling the truth then that exposes you to getting killed at the night. 

 

My current theory is that you are scum, and are hoping to bait us on using a power class to try and prove or disprove your claims and exposing them. Now if I am incorrect and you are a townie, that play also hurts the team as a whole because if the scum also has the role you have then you are unintentional bait.

 

From how I see it is no matter if you are a townie or scum you put us into a corner.

 

 

That is a logical well put argument.

 

Vote: KevinH

If I get lynched, the town has "only" lost a voyeur.

The cop is much more of a threat to the scum.

The town can ignore my claim and each day I can provide information.

Or the town can lynch me and not get my information.

If I am lynched, you can look at those that voted for me and find some scum among them.

 

 preemptively make the claim in case anyone saw me visit a player that died

 

 

I'm withholding judgment for a few days

 

If Kevin is scum, this move makes sense if they are worried someone snooped around last night

If I get lynched, the town has "only" lost a voyeur.

The cop is much more of a threat to the scum.

The town can ignore my claim and each day I can provide information.

Or the town can lynch me and not get my information.

If I am lynched, you can look at those that voted for me and find some scum among them.

 

I kind of see your point. Who would you vote to lynch if not you?

If I get lynched, the town has "only" lost a voyeur.

The cop is much more of a threat to the scum.

The town can ignore my claim and each day I can provide information.

Or the town can lynch me and not get my information.

If I am lynched, you can look at those that voted for me and find some scum among them.

This really feels like something scum would say: role claim as a town PR and then say well lynch me and you won’t get my info every day.

 

Plus a townie would have no idea if scum is on his wagon or not so saying you will find scum on me is just not accurate. For all Kevin knows only town is voting him… I will be very shocked and disappointed if Kevin flips town

Yeah tbh everything Kevin has said has made me more sure that he's scum. The only thing left is for him to OMGUS vote me or brewers for pushing to get him lynched.

If I count correctly, Kevin is at 4 votes right now (deadline requirement), needing 3 more to be lynched before then. I do not wish to rush the day, so I will hold off for now, and suggest other people do as well, but he is the highest person on my suspect list as of now. Especially with no other information to go off of.

Is Tony unblocked so he can post and hammer the day early like he normally does? Lol

Day 1 Vote

Velocity (1): iSocialism

Tony Maurice (1): Velocity

Zacch (2): Tony Maurice, Imran Ehsan

lilweirdward (1): Brewersalliance

Lord MK (1): Lyner

 

No Lynch (8): KevinH, Darkfox, Bryan93, Robert2424, Jazzy95, Preston, Zacch, Lord MK

 

Not Voting: lilweirdward

 

Why was iSocialism killed?

 

iSocialism voted for Velocity.

 

Option 1: Velocity is scum and felt threatened so he killed iSocialism.

 

Option 2: Velocity is town and and the scum wanted to frame Velocity.

Why frame Velocity? Because he was voting for Tony.

 

I'll go with Option 2.

 

Vote: Tony

 

Well. Considering the options...

 

It's a weak power claim. A mob is forming around Kevin. I see some people are actually dismissing why he would actually do this as a townie very easily. It's clear many of you are grasping at straws for any lynch.

 

So do I believe Kevin. Idk. It could be a town or scum role, but I've always made it a town role. But considering I don't think it really a safe play. I would think at the very least he is telling the truth about his power. Witch if that's the case I have one of my predictions.

 

Prediction: all 4 sister power roles are in the game. Or at least 3. A tracker, a watcher, a Follower, and a Voyager. (The reason I say 3 is most DM's actually don't usually like Follower for whatever reason. (It's personally one of my favorite roles).

 

So if I was in Kevin's position as town.... I'd definitely think that, and if I visited Isoc and he died with the Voyager role.....I would claim as he did.

 

It might be too late as convincing the mob who dismissed what was probably the smartest play if he was town already. My thoughts certainly aren't going to persuade them.

 

However we have someone who can't even really participate in the game and probably should of been Mod Killed in my opinion. So I'll go against the grain especially if it pisses off Brewers.

 

VOTE TONY

 

Unless someone has something worth while prusuing. Cause certainly the ones on the Kevin bandwagon makes more sense to Bandwagon to Bandwagon.

How do we know they are both not scum. We have yet to see Tony vote Kevin, despite this growing wagon started by Kevin to lynch Tony.

 

It was a strange thing to do, why come out and role claim in the first place if nobody has accused you of anything. 

 

I'm sticking with Kevin, but would be just as open to switching my vote to Tony if a better argument can be presented.

How do we know they are both not scum.

We don't, and if Kevin does flip scum, then Robert would immediately be suspect #1 for me.

We need to hear more from people who are trying to lie low on D2 befits we lynch. By this I mean lord mk, Bryan, Preston, jazz etc. TM can be excused for now as I don't think he still has access.

 

Day 1 Vote

 

Velocity (1): iSocialism

Tony Maurice (1): Velocity

Zacch (2): Tony Maurice, Imran Ehsan

lilweirdward (1): Brewersalliance

Lord MK (1): Lyner

No Lynch (8): KevinH, Darkfox, Bryan93, Robert2424, Jazzy95, Preston, Zacch, Lord MK

Not Voting: lilweirdward

Why was iSocialism killed?

 

iSocialism voted for Velocity.

 

Option 1: Velocity is scum and felt threatened so he killed iSocialism.

 

Option 2: Velocity is town and and the scum wanted to frame Velocity.

Why frame Velocity? Because he was voting for Tony.

 

I'll go with Option 2.

 

Vote: Tony

Velocity's vote on TM was one of the earliest votes on D1, meaning it was a lol vote that velocity didn't bother to change. Your vote for TM is therefor on very flimsy grounds.

Everything is flimsy.  But what else is there?

 

If I was scum and made the kill, there is a very low probability with so many players that I would have been seen so there is no need fake claim.

 

But I'm town and can share information.  So I did.

 

Suppose I had not claimed.  There is nothing else to go on so it becomes a random lynch, probably influenced by inactivity.  Tony is as good a choice as any.

We need to hear more from people who are trying to lie low on D2 befits we lynch. By this I mean lord mk, Bryan, Preston, jazz etc. TM can be excused for now as I don't think he still has access.

 

 

Day 1 Vote

 

 

Velocity (1): iSocialism

Tony Maurice (1): Velocity

Zacch (2): Tony Maurice, Imran Ehsan

lilweirdward (1): Brewersalliance

Lord MK (1): Lyner

 

No Lynch (8): KevinH, Darkfox, Bryan93, Robert2424, Jazzy95, Preston, Zacch, Lord MK

 

Not Voting: lilweirdward

Why was iSocialism killed?

 

iSocialism voted for Velocity.

 

Option 1: Velocity is scum and felt threatened so he killed iSocialism.

 

Option 2: Velocity is town and and the scum wanted to frame Velocity.

Why frame Velocity? Because he was voting for Tony.

 

I'll go with Option 2.

 

Vote: Tony

Velocity's vote on TM was one of the earliest votes on D1, meaning it was a lol vote that velocity didn't bother to change. Your vote for TM is therefor on very flimsy grounds.

^ This

 

Also, I realize that I’m generally a cautious player but I wouldn’t kill somebody because they were one of two people who voted me and my only vote when they did so lol, it’s an incredibly obvious tell and while I can be an idiot, I am not a fool!

Well. Considering the options...

 

It's a weak power claim. A mob is forming around Kevin. I see some people are actually dismissing why he would actually do this as a townie very easily. It's clear many of you are grasping at straws for any lynch.

 

So do I believe Kevin. Idk. It could be a town or scum role, but I've always made it a town role. But considering I don't think it really a safe play. I would think at the very least he is telling the truth about his power. Witch if that's the case I have one of my predictions.

 

Prediction: all 4 sister power roles are in the game. Or at least 3. A tracker, a watcher, a Follower, and a Voyager. (The reason I say 3 is most DM's actually don't usually like Follower for whatever reason. (It's personally one of my favorite roles).

 

So if I was in Kevin's position as town.... I'd definitely think that, and if I visited Isoc and he died with the Voyager role.....I would claim as he did.

 

It might be too late as convincing the mob who dismissed what was probably the smartest play if he was town already. My thoughts certainly aren't going to persuade them.

 

However we have someone who can't even really participate in the game and probably should of been Mod Killed in my opinion. So I'll go against the grain especially if it pisses off Brewers.

 

VOTE TONY

 

Unless someone has something worth while prusuing. Cause certainly the ones on the Kevin bandwagon makes more sense to Bandwagon to Bandwagon.

if that is your only reason for the vote you should remove that right now

Roberts vote on tony is weird lol

What's weird about believing that the town is wrongly forming a wagon on me and putting a vote on the alternative?

 

 

Well. Considering the options...

 

It's a weak power claim. A mob is forming around Kevin. I see some people are actually dismissing why he would actually do this as a townie very easily. It's clear many of you are grasping at straws for any lynch.

 

So do I believe Kevin. Idk. It could be a town or scum role, but I've always made it a town role. But considering I don't think it really a safe play. I would think at the very least he is telling the truth about his power. Witch if that's the case I have one of my predictions.

 

Prediction: all 4 sister power roles are in the game. Or at least 3. A tracker, a watcher, a Follower, and a Voyager. (The reason I say 3 is most DM's actually don't usually like Follower for whatever reason. (It's personally one of my favorite roles).

 

So if I was in Kevin's position as town.... I'd definitely think that, and if I visited Isoc and he died with the Voyager role.....I would claim as he did.

 

It might be too late as convincing the mob who dismissed what was probably the smartest play if he was town already. My thoughts certainly aren't going to persuade them.

 

However we have someone who can't even really participate in the game and probably should of been Mod Killed in my opinion. So I'll go against the grain especially if it pisses off Brewers.

 

VOTE TONY

 

Unless someone has something worth while prusuing. Cause certainly the ones on the Kevin bandwagon makes more sense to Bandwagon to Bandwagon.

 

 

if that is your only reason for the vote you should remove that right now

I mean. I'm surprised they gave you a role just for Mafia. The whole unwilling to mod kill you I have to imagine you have a role that would of have to be replaced otherwise would throw the balance out of wack. The only roles that would do that is a scum role of some kind.

 

If I'm wrong about Kevin, I'm wrong. I still feel it's likely Kevin is town. He outed himself that he visited Isoc. Why would scum do that? If you want to suspect me it's fine. let's draw the lines in the sand then. If he scum go for lynching me. If he's town. Well, we have a shortlist of who's on the wagon as someone on there will likely be scum. Or we can Lynch Tony here. Otherwise those are the only two options this dayphase is providing by the players. Unless someone is holding something back?

 

Not that I'm surprised. They hade to latch onto something. Otherwise it be the person with the least amount of posts. Btw. Who's with the least amount of posts anyways?