It's going to take more than a president to do that.

Unfortunately, that's where it must begin.

Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! Where the hell have you been?

Never mind... I'm so damn glad you're back!

 

Been keeping busy but glad to have found my way back to CN and IRON!

 

 

 

 

Well atleast you continued following the MAGA doctrine, can't fault you on consistency...

Making America great has always been my "doctrine". 

It's going to take more than a president to do that.

 

 

Absolutely, it would take an entire overhaul of our government. However the POTUS is a huge starting point, as the main role of the position is to be the figurehead and overall spokesperson of the federal government. But it is very fair to say you are right, even with a perfect POTUS who fights tooth and nail for the citizens and not their checkbooks there's very little that can be accomplished without getting new blood that feels the same into Congress. Both sides have an issue with that.

 

Where I derive my beliefs is looking at the future of both parties. Younger Democrats want to fashion themselves as extreme progressives that push for policies that basically lead to Socialism. That is bad.

 

Younger Republicans tend to feel that we've gone too far and have let the government balloon into a monstrosity. When you cut away a lot of the social issues and all the crap that media wants people to focus on, the true intent of most people I speak to in this group simply want the government to stop trying to shove its nose into everything.

 

Government is meant to run the country, not tell us what and how to think. That's where Republicans have an issue and Democrats continue to go all-in.

USA has strayed from "socialism" for the last 5 decades, heck at the height of McCarthyism you folks were more socialist then ever.

 

Both sides just keep going into the wrong side of their prefered "issues" while slowly draining your nation of the very middle class that once "made america great".

Wait I'm from a pretty nice socialist country with a mix of both socialism and capitalism. Socialism isn't bad.

Wait I'm from a pretty nice socialist country with a mix of both socialism and capitalism. Socialism isn't bad.

the problem with Socialism is simple, 

whatever the government gives you can and will be taken away when you don't do what they say, 

 

like mice in a cage, you are fully dependent on the good grace of the hand that feeds you,  cross your master and you lose everything, 

this is why Creeping socialism is so dangerous, you don't know how dependant you have become on your master the government until it is too late- your food , your home, all gone - 

 

quite honestly, the only role the Federal government's of any nation should be is 

1) Common weights and measures

2) common nation defense

3) interstate and international trade- 

 

Nothing more, 

 

edit for spelling only. 

Edited September 15, 20233 yr by Northern Empire

 

 

qite honestly, the only role the Federal governments of any nation shuld be is  1) Common weights and measures 2) common nation defense 3) interstate and international trade-    Nothing more, 

I wholeheartedly agree.

 

qite honestly, the only role the Federal governments of any nation shuld be is  1) Common weights and measures 2) common nation defense 3) interstate and international trade-    Nothing more, 

I wholeheartedly agree.

 

This.

There seems to be a misconception on what socialism actually is. For example the interstate system is socialism.

 

 

Other examples

 

Unions

Social security

Medicare

Department of Agriculture

Amber Alerts

Amtrak

Fire departments

Public parks and museums

National Parks

Public libraries

NPR/PBS

Police departments

The Military

USPS

 

and
the list goes on and on and on.

 

 

 

the problem with Socialism is simple,

 

The problem with socialism is you have no fucking idea what you are arguing.

 

 

 

My point is that socialism has been a dog whistle to scare people from doing things that would benefit themselves.

 

 

There seems to be a misconception on what socialism actually is.

That's absurd. According to you, two people can't shake hands, work together, or agree on anything, without socialism.

Dare you to walk into a crowded military bar and yell "You're a bunch of Socialists!".

Some of the things on your list were created with socialism directly responsible... I would support to dissolve them completely.

You seem to have the misconception that anything government does is socialism.

You also seem to have the misconception that the USA is a Democracy... it is a Constitutional Republic.

The only power the Federal Government has over the States was granted to it through the Constitution.

The States can take that power away at any time... let's have a Constitutional Convention and see how things change.

socialism

"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, capital, land, etc., by the community as a whole, usually through a centralized government."

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

 

 

That's absurd. According to you, two people can't shake hands, work together, or agree on anything, without socialism.

 

That is a stretch. Almost everything I mentioned is funded by tax dollars and not privately owned (Unions aren't funded by tax dollars but I believe we both agree those are socialist).

 

 

 

Dare you to walk into a crowded military bar and yell "You're a bunch of Socialists!".

 

Probably a stretch there but the military is funded by the public and is not a PMC.

 

 

 

Some of the things on your list were created with socialism directly responsible... I would support to dissolve them completely.

 

Would you care to point out a few? I imagine social security would be one of them.

 

 

 

You seem to have the misconception that anything government does is socialism.

 

From an economic aspect a lot of programs are Socialist. There can be an argument said that social programs are not Socialism. That said almost everything I listed has been complained about and called Socialist by Republican members of Government and/or pundits. 

 

 

 

You also seem to have the misconception that the USA is a Democracy... it is a Constitutional Republic.

 

Where did I mention Democracy?

 

 

 

The only power the Federal Government has over the States was granted to it through the Constitution.  The States can take that power away at any time... let's have a Constitutional Convention and see how things change.

 

To what end?

socialism

"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, capital, land, etc., by the community as a whole, usually through a centralized government."

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

So the Government owns everything and parses it out to those that it sees fit, you don't decide what you need or want the Government does. 

 

and you wonder why in the entire history of the Human experiment Socialism has failed Every single time. 

 

even today, the socialist Countries can not survive without aid. they have already reached the maximum taxation level. but they still need tremendous amounts of aid from the US. 

AND YES- we provide your entire National defense, you would not exist as a free Nation if not for the evil Capitalists. 

The goal is Communism... complete and total government control over everything.

 

The process has been to get everyone depending on government through the slow creep of ever-expanding socialism.

They like to believe it's "progress", and they like to call themselves "Progressive", but really, they're just socialists.

And we once again went from misconstruing socialism as "gov take my money and give to my neighbour" to envoking the scare word "communism" which gets meshed with the autocratic/dictatorship reallife epithet while ignore the actual theoretical meaning.

 

Kinda like KevinH's textbook socialism quote, which is just that, textbook.

 

 

its why I mentioned the USA and Darkfox listing some pretty "social" services your government renders to its citizens.

 

 

and I thought we went thruw this before, your can be both a Republic and a Democracy...

The goal is Communism... complete and total government control over everything.

 

The process has been to get everyone depending on government through the slow creep of ever-expanding socialism.

They like to believe it's "progress", and they like to call themselves "Progressive", but really, they're just socialists.

 

Screw everyone, I only care about myself. Your child is starving because you can't afford to feed them. too bad, get a better job, come on pull yourself up by the boot straps. Stop stealing my hard earned money to take care of the lazy. 

 

Is that your ideal version of America?

 

 

Screw everyone, I only care about myself.

I care about many people, but I don't have to care about everyone... including you.

 

 

Your child is starving because you can't afford to feed them.

My children are adults.

The USA has welfare... nobody starves here. Most people on welfare are all overweight and playing on their iPhones.

 

Screw everyone, I only care about myself.

I care about many people, but I don't have to care about everyone... including you.

 

 

Your child is starving because you can't afford to feed them.

My children are adults.

The USA has welfare... nobody starves here. Most people on welfare are all overweight and playing on their iPhones.

 

 

According to the USDA, in 2021, 22% of Black children were food insecure, and 18.5% of Latino children were food insecure.

12ft | EXCLUSIVE: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Planning Independent Run

 

Trump landslide if RFK follows through on this path.

 

Oh sorry... I forgot about this...

 

 

 

According to the USDA, in 2021, 22% of Black children were food insecure, and 18.5% of Latino children were food insecure.

 

Only the children? The parents have to share the welfare with their kids... but I guess they're just that stupid...

And you're right... I don't care.

You do know that RFK would pull more from Republican side then Democratic right? Heck I'd venture a guess and say you got more going for your assumption if the crystal lady went 3rd ticket...

12ft | EXCLUSIVE: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Planning Independent Run

 

Trump landslide if RFK follows through on this path.

 

Oh sorry... I forgot about this...

 

 

 

According to the USDA, in 2021, 22% of Black children were food insecure, and 18.5% of Latino children were food insecure.

 

Only the children? The parents have to share the welfare with their kids... but I guess they're just that stupid...

And you're right... I don't care.

 

Nobody on the left like RFK Jr. Your a dumbass for thinking he will split votes with Biden.

 

 

You do know that RFK would pull more from Republican side then Democratic right? Heck I'd venture a guess and say you got more going for your assumption if the crystal lady went 3rd ticket...

 

 

Nobody on the left like RFK Jr. Your a dumbass for thinking he will split votes with Biden.

Oh, I'm sorry... I forgot about all the love between Republicans and the Kennedy's.

Biden landslide all the way. It's hard to understand why the DNC has been working overtime to bury this man.

Breaking News: Kennedy Likely to Run as an Independent (updated) (substack.com)

 

You do know that RFK would pull more from Republican side then Democratic right? Heck I'd venture a guess and say you got more going for your assumption if the crystal lady went 3rd ticket...

 

 

Nobody on the left like RFK Jr. Your a dumbass for thinking he will split votes with Biden.

Oh, I'm sorry... I forgot about all the love between Republicans and the Kennedy's.

Biden landslide all the way. It's hard to understand why the DNC has been working overtime to bury this man.

Breaking News: Kennedy Likely to Run as an Independent (updated) (substack.com)

 

 

I don't know anyone under 40 that gives a shit about the kennedys.

 

 

I don't know anyone under 40 that gives a shit about the kennedys.

I don't know anyone under 40 that gives a shit about anything that matters.

They're all staring at their phones doing whatever the current idiot tells them to do. 

 

I don't know anyone under 40 that gives a shit about the kennedys.

I don't know anyone under 40 that gives a shit about anything that matters.

They're all staring at their phones doing whatever the current idiot tells them to do. 

 

 

ok grandpa

ok grandpa

Oh yeah, I actually voted for Ronald Reagan twice.