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[junkahoolik]

ya know, this summoner thingy really makes sense... i always though it was odd that the doctor was a golem not a healer (semantics wise). a summoner for EM and one for AoD are too much role wise. so they are probably controlled by the same person. but it can't be the whole truth... it's not really fair to the mafia to have just 1 scum in the game who can kill. the question is, is AoD on the town's side or not?? also, can a role delete posts?? i'm curious about this one since i seem to be missing a post from day 1.

[CanucksDynasty]

ya know, this summoner thingy really makes sense... i always though it was odd that the doctor was a golem not a healer (semantics wise). a summoner for EM and one for AoD are too much role wise. so they are probably controlled by the same person. but it can't be the whole truth... it's not really fair to the mafia to have just 1 scum in the game who can kill. the question is, is AoD on the town's side or not?? also, can a role delete posts?? i'm curious about this one since i seem to be missing a post from day 1.

I would have thought a cleric would have been a doc but this game seems to centered around mages. As for it being fair to the mafia...we won't know until the game is over.

And only you and mods can delete posts.

[angel of doom]

@CD i was the first to suggest the one person controlling 2 ppl idea

@mole your quote you took from me is the gist of my role

and as for me tailoring my role, its just not true. if it wernt for the fact i was going to die on day 2 and narsis extended the deadline, i would have never claimed. however my hand was forced and i had no choice. and you know for a fact i would have been lynched if i told you guys everything at once, despite mole saying he wouldnt have.

[Kaziocore]

and i'll "vote: kazio cause i get the sense that he knows too much. until now we only talked about controllers. we used the same word for EM's and AoD's controller. i find it odd that you tossed in a summoner. also, seems like you're just skimming through the posts and not reading exactly what was said. and in the response to my thread, you seem to be trying to develop confusion. if it really had a basis, i wouldn't have questioned it, just accepted it. but i don't really think that is true.

AOD said summoner after EM revealed that he's a demon or something...

And just because I said summoner and you only sensed that I know too much, you voted for me? I thought they could be used interchangeably and golems and demons in most games are actually summoned.

[Falzis]

Interesting points about AoD. Indeed his case is a bit different from SJ. AoD actions certainly looks scummy but all of his scummy posts could be explained by the fact he is contolled by another (ie. controller/summoner). I have no doubt that AoD would have been hanged if he shared everything in his role PM....it would have sounded ludicrous. Does this give AoD a free pass...for now it does since we are not in a LYLO situation yet.

We have an apparently doc that has roleclaimed and yet we have no one else coming forth to dispute this fact. Why are you in a rush to lynch a possibly doc?

And like I said...I'm most certain that you (Falzis) is not a vanilla townie.
Therefore my vote will remain on you.

Why aren't you in a rush to lynch a possible scum? It depends on how you look at it. It's still 50/50 that AoD is scum or townie (doc). Plus, why would you lynch AoD only when it's LYLO? That would mean you would think AoD to be more scum than townie since if it's LYLO, you lynch someone who you think has a higher propensity of being scum to be able to continue the game.

Again, your assertions without backups. I haven't read any of your posts that analyzes how I could be scum (except the negative logic of others are townies, you are scum) or how I couldn't be a vanilla townie (except the negative logic too of there are a lot of pro-town roleclaims, you are pro-scum role). The only thing you have said about me in your posts is - unsure. Your reductionist logic is problematic.

FOS: Canucks Dynasty

[angel of doom]

and yet you and mole both seem to be in a rush to lynch a doc, you did the same to kevinH on day one and we all see where that got us dont we?

you claim i have a 50/50 chance of being scum and yet your quick to the lynch when there is just a good if not better chance i'm telling the truth

[Falzis]

When I say 50/50 that doesn't mean there's no basis for our suspicion of you. 50/50 because at the end of the day, no matter what anyone says or argues, all of us have a 50/50 chance of flipping townie or scum (probability wise, only 2 alignments so 50/50). But for me, I don't know about mole, I don't believe your role claim and that is why you are suspicious.

I am in a rush to lynch scum, not doc. You assume already that you are a doc, which only you can do since only you would know that. I didn't do the same for KevinH, remember? I was actually one of those who gave him the benefit of the doubt because his role claim wasn't INCOHERENT as yours. KevinH saw me as a townie more than you.

[angel of doom]

KevinH didnt role claim at all, and he isnt a cop so what he say about how he felt the town roles on day 1 is irrelevant. so basically just because KevinH a townie says he doesnt think ur scum on day 1 doesnt make it so

[Falzis]

He did role claim, just not as explicit as yours and not in piece meals that evolves. He said he has a power role and he was pro-town.

Yes it doesn't absolve me but it puts more suspicion on you, which was my point. Because you voted for KevinH with weak reasoning and contradictory to your own power role knowledge of docs. I didn't vote for KevinH, I voted for you on D2.

[junkahoolik]

He did role claim, just not as explicit as yours and not in piece meals that evolves. He said he has a power role and he was pro-town.

Yes it doesn't absolve me but it puts more suspicion on you, which was my point. Because you voted for KevinH with weak reasoning and contradictory to your own power role knowledge of docs. I didn't vote for KevinH, I voted for you on D2.

no... he never actually role claimed... he just started to look like a panicked scum with nothing but the song: "i'm a protown power role but i won't say which" going on making him look in my eyes like a scum who didn't want to be counterclaimed by a real protown power role.

AoD on the other hand claimed too early in the day and did a messy job at it too. he kept adding more and more information as time went on and it just seemed like he was making it up while he went alone. but with EM's claim, i think that he is a doc. i'm just not sure if he is a mafia doc (like the one CD talked about) or a townie doc. maybe he is helping the mafia until the summoner gets killed then he is free to win with the town... or maybe he has another summoner (i doubt it since then there would be too many power roles in the game). all in all i'm apprehensive about lynching him. he is a doc and docs can't protect against lynches. so whoever he protects, i think it is good for the town.

[angel of doom]

actually this is my first game as a doc so i didnt know what to expect when it came to my role in respect to protecting scum like i stated earlier. and yes i could have handled it alot better but at the time i had to come out since the day was going to end and i was going to be lynched

[Falzis]

no... he never actually role claimed... he just started to look like a panicked scum with nothing but the song: "i'm a protown power role but i won't say which" going on making him look in my eyes like a scum who didn't want to be counterclaimed by a real protown power role.

AoD on the other hand claimed too early in the day and did a messy job at it too. he kept adding more and more information as time went on and it just seemed like he was making it up while he went alone. but with EM's claim, i think that he is a doc. i'm just not sure if he is a mafia doc (like the one CD talked about) or a townie doc. maybe he is helping the mafia until the summoner gets killed then he is free to win with the town... or maybe he has another summoner (i doubt it since then there would be too many power roles in the game). all in all i'm apprehensive about lynching him. he is a doc and docs can't protect against lynches. so whoever he protects, i think it is good for the town.

He didn't role claim, he claimed a pro-town power-role. He didn't look like a panicked scum because of his role claim, he looked scum because of his No Lynch inconsistency stance and appeasement of others (look back at the thread) and that was primarily the reason why he got a lot of votes, the implicit role claim only made it worse.

I still don't get why AoD is a believable doc. Canucks Dynasty was even the one who pointed out that AoD's reason for voting KevinH (that the doc could be misled in protecting KevinH and die if KevinH was scum) was contradictory to his own knowledge if he was indeed a doc (mole said the mod would tell you if you're a weak doc or not), that's why CD FoS'd AoD and later voted for him only to switch it to EM on D2.

[Falzis]

actually this is my first game as a doc so i didnt know what to expect when it came to my role in respect to protecting scum like i stated earlier. and yes i could have handled it alot better but at the time i had to come out since the day was going to end and i was going to be lynched

AoD's reason for voting KevinH (that the doc could be misled in protecting KevinH and die if KevinH was scum) was contradictory to his own knowledge if he was indeed a doc (mole said the mod would tell you if you're a weak doc or not).

This was on D1.

[CanucksDynasty]

Why aren't you in a rush to lynch a possible scum? It depends on how you look at it. It's still 50/50 that AoD is scum or townie (doc). Plus, why would you lynch AoD only when it's LYLO? That would mean you would think AoD to be more scum than townie since if it's LYLO, you lynch someone who you think has a higher propensity of being scum to be able to continue the game.

Again, your assertions without backups. I haven't read any of your posts that analyzes how I could be scum (except the negative logic of others are townies, you are scum) or how I couldn't be a vanilla townie (except the negative logic too of there are a lot of pro-town roleclaims, you are pro-scum role). The only thing you have said about me in your posts is - unsure. Your reductionist logic is problematic.

FOS: Canucks Dynasty

Cuz even though I place AoD as a higher chance of being townie, doesn't necessarily mean that I'm correct. Again, his posts did seem scummy. I even voted for him but later switched to EM. I was back and forth between them. It's just that I trust you guys even less. Both (junk and you) of you guys posts were "safe" (in my opinion).

Again...why are you so bothered on my opinion? It is only one vote...hardly anywhere near a half majority.

@Vanilla Townies - look at your role pm and then re-read Falzis posts. You will see he is not a vanilla townie. And if we assume AoD is pro-town then Falzis must be mafia.

[CanucksDynasty]

Weekend approaching.
Posting 48hr absence notice.
I'll check in once in a while but won't be able to post much.
See ya Monday.

CD.

[junkahoolik]

Cuz even though I place AoD as a higher chance of being townie, doesn't necessarily mean that I'm correct. Again, his posts did seem scummy. I even voted for him but later switched to EM. I was back and forth between them. It's just that I trust you guys even less. Both (junk and you) of you guys posts were "safe" (in my opinion).

Again...why are you so bothered on my opinion? It is only one vote...hardly anywhere near a half majority.

@Vanilla Townies - look at your role pm and then re-read Falzis posts. You will see he is not a vanilla townie. And if we assume AoD is pro-town then Falzis must be mafia.

what do you mean take a look at our PM's?? and when did we all assumed that AoD is protown?? he still has to at least paraphrase ALL of his role PM in a coherent manner at least for me to think he really is protown. and, as i said above, i think he is controlled by the same person who controlled EM.

[angel of doom]

fine for the umpteenth time:

i am a golem, i have the ability to protect others or myself at night. i am under the control of a summoner and can not choose who i protect until the summoner dies. when the summoner dies i can protect whom ever i choose.

happy?

and i know for a fact i'm going to be called a liar but i dont care, thats my role.

[CanucksDynasty]

what do you mean take a look at our PM's?? and when did we all assumed that AoD is protown?? he still has to at least paraphrase ALL of his role PM in a coherent manner at least for me to think he really is protown. and, as i said above, i think he is controlled by the same person who controlled EM.

If you are a vanilla townie, I ask that you read your role pm and then re-read Falzis posts. If you do, you will come across what I saw and know that Falzis is not a vanilla townie. And I never said all had assumed AoD was protown...I said "IF". If AoD is protown...then we would most likely have 3 pro-town power roles (KevinH, SJ, and AoD).

What part of that did you not understand?

[molestargazer]

Vote: Angel of Doom
Suffice to say I still don't believe the claim.

I will try & review the Falzis thing, and present my full case on AoD when I have time.

[Sir Jesus]

Though I know nothing of his true character, I grow a little suspicious of MSG.