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[Falzis]

C9 games have been made into F11 games. It doesn't mean there's a role blocker that there's a doctor.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11

[Narsis]

C9 games have been made into F11 games. It doesn't mean there's a role blocker that there's a doctor.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11

agreed. but it is still likely that some form of protown powerrole exists.

why?

this is a closed game; it is not a semi-open. the reason that such is chosen at random in a semi-open is to prevent 100% guess of the set-up by knowing just one power role. however, we could never have a 100% guess in a closed set-up. so it begs the question: are there any protown power roles? my guess is at least one. however it is likely that none exist(considering the items).

still mafia dont know that either...so if they suspect a power role...then they are going to play accordingly.

[Falzis]

agreed. but it is still likely that some form of protown powerrole exists.

why?

this is a closed game; it is not a semi-open. the reason that such is chosen at random in a semi-open is to prevent 100% guess of the set-up by knowing just one power role. however, we could never have a 100% guess in a closed set-up. so it begs the question: are there any protown power roles? my guess is at least one. however it is likely that none exist(considering the items).

still mafia dont know that either...so if they suspect a power role...then they are going to play accordingly.

Yeah I agree as well.

Anyway, something is bugging me from your post. ITEMS. Yes. No one has confirmed they got an item. Do they even exist? Coz I sure as heck didn't get any... and I'm thinking you, Narsis, got one based from the implicit or implied logic of your post.

[SinKon]

Day1

Room 1 = Sir Jesus, Firkked, junkahoolic
Room 4 = Electric Mango, AoD/SinKon, Kaziocore
Room 7 = Falzis, Narsis, KevinH
Room 8 = CanucksDynasty, Aquinas, Martino

Day2

Room 2 = Sir Jesus, Firkked
Room 3 = Electric Mango, AoD/SinKon, Kaziocore
Room 6 = CanucksDynasty, Aquinas, Martino
Room 9 = Falzis, Narsis, KevinH

Day3

Room 1 =Narsis
Room 2 =Falzis
Room 3 =Electric Mango
Room 4 =Martino
Room 6 =SinKon
Room 7 =CanucksDynasty
Room 8 =Aquinas
Room 9 =Kaziocore

I just like to point out that 2 people got killed in room 9.

[CanucksDynasty]

@EM/Narsis/Falzis/Samus/SinKon - who do you suspect?

[Falzis]

I still suspect Sinkon and now I suspect Narsis, just because things are still hazy from his side. I believe Samus (or his role inherited from Firkked and might be passed on to someone else) is townie.

I'm undecided with the others.

[Narsis]

i cant say i have any specific suspects.

btw Falzis: i'm being hazy for a reason. mafia are subject to the powers of WIFOM as much as any townie.

[Martino]

Actually I think it's time for the cop to roleclaim and reveal his findings.

IF THERE IS 3 MAFIA...
1. Today may be lynch or lose.
2. It only takes 2 wrong townie votes for 3 mafia to pile on (making it their win)
3. It'll narrow down the mafia suspect list down to 4-6 (if Narsis is not cop...if Narsis is cop)

What would be the advantage of the cop roleclaiming over my strategy?

@EM/Narsis/Falzis/Samus/SinKon - who do you suspect?

This. Though I'd like to add CD himself to that list

If we want to discuss who we want to lynch, give the cop a chance to prevent a mislynch and still have some time to discuss an alternative, we need to increase our activity. If you had to vote right now, who would you vote and why?

@Falzis: Why do you think Samus is a townie?

[Falzis]

Mainly because the role is inactive... in almost all games I've played roles that become inactive are usually vanilla roles. Plus Firkked was a pretty reasonable townie with his strategies and posts.

Ok I'll go first.

QUASIVUT (not spelling it as vote ) : SinKon

[CanucksDynasty]

What would be the advantage of the cop roleclaiming over my strategy?

Cuz we stop pussy footing around and start focusing in what's left.
I don't know about the rest of you but playing a mafia game that lasts 3 months is not really fun.

This. Though I'd like to add CD himself to that list

If we want to discuss who we want to lynch, give the cop a chance to prevent a mislynch and still have some time to discuss an alternative, we need to increase our activity. If you had to vote right now, who would you vote and why?

@Falzis: Why do you think Samus is a townie?

FOS: Martino and EM.

The only veteran killed was KevinH. So I'm thinking that one or two of the veterans are mafia. No real hard evidence to support my theory but it's just my gut feeling.

[Electric Mango]

I think there are veterans out there who are mafia.

I have good feelings from CD being townie for now.

I'm suspicious of Martino only because he's a vet and a crafty player and doesn't have any stand out townie moves IMO.

Narsis, I'm not sure on, he seems townie but maybe he's tricking us.

If I voted right now it would probably be for Martino but I will review more later

[Narsis]

I think there are veterans out there who are mafia.

I have good feelings from CD being townie for now.

I'm suspicious of Martino only because he's a vet and a crafty player and doesn't have any stand out townie moves IMO.

Narsis, I'm not sure on, he seems townie but maybe he's tricking us.

If I voted right now it would probably be for Martino but I will review more later

agh i'm sick of this new EM! your old playing style was much more...assertive. also made reading you a lot easier.

[Electric Mango]

It was easier playing when I could view this forum at work, sadly that is no longer an option. I struggle to find a big enough chunk of time at home to sift through this gigantic string of posts to make solid accusations.

With the weekend coming up, I plan on making a case full of accusations and will let everyone know exactly where I stand. I'll try not to disappoint.

[Electric Mango]

ALIVE
1. Narsis I could go either way on this one. I'm secretly hoping that he is mafia and made up this great story of being role blocked. This move to me points to Narsis' critical point. He claimed to be role blocked when he was already thought by some to be pro-town. If you're playing the odds, the mafia would not do this. This is also precisely the reason why no one would suspect of him and it would be quite the gamble if he went for it.
3. Electric Mango Townie
5. Samus I tried to think back of anything about Samus that stood out and I couldn't. I can't tell if it's intentional or not.
8. SinKon I tend to think of him as pro-town. I've never labeled him as scum and only voted for him on day 1 because there was no one else that I considered guilty either. I think only pro-town players play the game as Sinkon does.
9. Falzis I can't tell what to think about Falzis. He's had good posts but I seem to have better protown vibes from other players. I'd have to but you down as scum if I had to bet money.
11. Aquinas You've had good posts but I've got to pick 3 mafia's and you've made the short list. I haven't seen you do anything pro-town like or scum like. Your problem is that I've seen more pro-town indications from other players. If I had to pick, you're scum.
12. CanucksDynasty I want to believe that you are pro-town as well but I'm always suspicious of you. You are always very challenging for me to read. During most games you seem to challenge my motives or at least question by alignment. This game you seem to be giving me pro-town points almost the entire game and that just creeps me out. You've had some good posts that I gave you some pro-town points for and I'm leaning towards you to be a townie, although I wouldn't be surprised to see that you've tricked me.
13. Martino I have to believe that out of everyone that Martino is the one I feel most strongly about being mafia. This is one of the first games that I remember playing with him that I haven't seen him do really good analysis. The only part of the game that I remember him being proactive in was the math odds battle back on Day 1 or 2. Other than that, he's just hung out and seemed to just play the middle of the pact. Something seems off and I'm listing him as mafia.

DEAD
'Anger Management' Tilden, Pilot, slashed N0.
Nameless Copilot, slashed N0.
Nameless Hungover Cop, stabbed N0.
crazyemolad, TOWNIE, lynched D1.
Junkahoolik, TOWNIE, lynched D2.
KevinH, TOWNIE, stabbed N2.
Sir Jesus, TOWNIE, lynched D3.
Kaziocore, TOWNIE, killed N3.

[Martino]

I'm suspicious of Martino only because he's a vet and a crafty player and doesn't have any stand out townie moves IMO.

Narsis, I'm not sure on, he seems townie but maybe he's tricking us.

If I voted right now it would probably be for Martino but I will review more later

I actually think I have been far more useful today than most others. Where others have suggested a panick roleclaim by the cop, I've come up with a strategy that allows the cop to only come out if his information will actually improve our lynch. Since nobody has disputed Narsis' claims of being roleblocked, it would obviously be the end of our cop's usefulness if we force him to claim. Yet roleclaiming no matter what is what some of the players you consider townies have proposed. In fact, CDs only concern seems to be getting the game over with, not using the best strategy. Perhaps it's not that he doesn't care about the best strategy, but just not about the best strategy for the town?

I've also made a good case against SinKon for two consecutive days now. On day 1 some of you wanted to lynch SinKon because he was annoying. While I agree that he was annoying, this was not a good enough reason to lynch him. However, the more suspicious moves he has started to pull, the less people seem to be suspicious of him. Yesterday he not only jumped onboard of a weak bandwagon, he also casually tried to line up the next target. I pointed this out, made my case against him and for a bit it seemed like he might get lynched. Then the SJ lynch happened. Without much of a case 6 players saw fit to vote and lynch SJ. Since SJ turned out to be a townie, and since this wasn't the first time SinKon escaped a close lynch, I'm tempted to believe it is in someone's best interest to keep him alive. Which seems to indicate that he is scum.

Finally, today starts and he demands that the cop roleclaim immediately. I can't believe I'm the only one thinking this is scummy. He (and CD) are asking that the cop comes forward, no matter if he has any useful information or not. With a roleblocker active, this will render the cop completely useless. So I obviously disagree that I am not being proactive enough. I've lead the charge against SinKon yesterday, I'm leading it again today, and I've come up with a way for the cop to remain hidden unless he can directly improve our lynch odds. I'd say that is more than the majority of the other players can claim.

[CanucksDynasty]

@Martino - so you believe that SinKon and I are linked? I don't know where you've been on D1 and D2...but I rode SinKon pretty hard.

My reasoning for the cop to roleclaim is still valid. Today may be LYLO. This cryptic roundabout voting only serves to muddy the waters and cause confusion. I mean how many pages are we at now (pg 58) and are only on D3???

I still think either you or EM is scum...so ...

Vote: Martino

BTW...I picked up an item on D1. So I don't think getting items are based on percentages.

[CanucksDynasty]

EDBWOP

I mean D4??? (not D3).

[Falzis]

Ok so why are you only telling this now? What item did you pick up and what did you do with that item??

My god, I've been asking that question for ages.

Anyway, let's look at SinKon. Since he was saved from yesterday because of CD's rationale that everybody voted for SinKon therefore SinKon couldn't be scum, it's worth a post revisiting that. I said that scum could be bussing. Narsis agreed on the possibility but CD said it's unlikely. I think not. Let's look at why.

Whereas Martino approached it from the question of whether or not SinKon was scum, I will approach it from the question of whether or not SinKon is town.

If he was town, why wasn't he killed after three days of almost lynches? Mafia had an easy kill. But they didn't take it. Why could that be? The alternatives were junk, crazy, and Sir Jesus. Now junk was equally suspicious because of some scummy moves, but crazy was an opportunity to save SinKon. He was an inactive, he was a townie, he had the eyes of other townies for inactiveness. The same reason was forwarded partially for SJ (who became inactive in the latter part of the day).

Why?? I just can't imagine a townie, who has been at near lynch for three times, could survive it all. He's not sure ball scum, but he ain't sure ball townie either.

[Falzis]

EBWOP

Ok so you got an item D4? What is it?

[CanucksDynasty]

Ok so why are you only telling this now? What item did you pick up and what did you do with that item??

My god, I've been asking that question for ages.

Anyway, let's look at SinKon. Since he was saved from yesterday because of CD's rationale that everybody voted for SinKon therefore SinKon couldn't be scum, it's worth a post revisiting that. I said that scum could be bussing. Narsis agreed on the possibility but CD said it's unlikely. I think not. Let's look at why.

Whereas Martino approached it from the question of whether or not SinKon was scum, I will approach it from the question of whether or not SinKon is town.

If he was town, why wasn't he killed after three days of almost lynches? Mafia had an easy kill. But they didn't take it. Why could that be? The alternatives were junk, crazy, and Sir Jesus. Now junk was equally suspicious because of some scummy moves, but crazy was an opportunity to save SinKon. He was an inactive, he was a townie, he had the eyes of other townies for inactiveness. The same reason was forwarded partially for SJ (who became inactive in the latter part of the day).

Why?? I just can't imagine a townie, who has been at near lynch for three times, could survive it all. He's not sure ball scum, but he ain't sure ball townie either.

I mean I got the item on N1.
It's a passive item...meaning it will work if conditions are met.
In order for it to work...mafia had to target me since I'm just a vanilla townie.
So I kept it quiet hoping for them to night kill me.
That didn't happen.

Would mafia care if SinKon (if he was townie) got lynched or not?
NO...cuz we did a good job of running around like chickens with our head cut off.
Mafia would be best served to sit back and let the town hang themselves.